Thommo - how quick was he?'

[putrevus]

7 hours ago, Vilander said:

Show documentary or video evidence of aram ever hitting anything above 145. This is a low bar even vinay Kumar has hit 151.

 

Lakmal to Fakhar Zaman, 1 run, 136kph, ploughing it around fifth stump channel, Zaman wanted to go hard at it, the ball seamed back in and ruins his timing. He skews it off the inner half to point and earns himself a single

 

If Lakmal is capable of hitting 136k Akram surely hit more than 145. and also operated at much higher average speed. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by putrevus

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

odd spell is not a stock. Both Johnson and Starc with stock ball in 142-145 range. 

 

I know and I agree ..... just showing that even with a very accomodative definition, there haven't been many around with stock balls of 148 k       : )

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Lakmal to Fakhar Zaman, 1 run, 136kph, ploughing it around fifth stump channel, Zaman wanted to go hard at it, the ball seamed back in and ruins his timing. He skews it off the inner half to point and earns himself a single

 

If Lakmal is capable of hitting 136k Akram surely hit more than 145. and also operated at much higher average speed. 

this Lakmal's quickest. Akram would have had 145k at the quickest. he was not in category of Johnson and Starc when it comes to pace. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by rkt.india

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

this Lakmal's quickest. Akram would have had 145k at the quickest. he was not in category of Johnson and Starc when it comes to pace. 

No one said he was faster than MJ, but he never was a trundler people are making him.He was a fast bowler not medium pace.

Edited October 13, 2017 by putrevus

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No one said he was faster than MJ, but he never was a trundler people are making him.He was a fast bowler not medium pace.

No one said he was trundler.  Real trundlers can never be that successful in test cricket.  He was fast to fast medium, bit slower than Waqar at his pomp.

 

Just found a video of 18 year old Tendulkar thrashing Akram in 1991 who was supposed to be at his quickest in those days.

 

 

[putrevus]

Just now, rkt.india said:

No one said he was trundler.  Real trundlers can never be that successful in test cricket.  He was fast to fast medium, bit slower than Waqar at his pomp.

 

Just found a video of 18 year old Tendulkar thrashing Akram in 1991 who was supposed to be at his quickest in those days.

 

 

How does that prove that he was a trundler, or medium pace. You guys needs to stop reacting to few videos on youtube and make an assessment on greatest left armer fast bowler who has ever played this game.

 

Anyone can bowl slow in any given spell, He played game for  18 yrs.

[putrevus]

I heard it all, Vinay Kumar bowls at 151 .Akram and Thompson are medium pace trundlers.Lack of safety gear made 1980s WI  bowlers into super fast bowlers from medium pace trundlers. 

[Rightarmfast]

Wasim Akram was fast medium. He wasnt fast as claimed. At his fastest, he would bowl 145ish.

[Rightarmfast]

Ofcourse a bowler of Akram's calibre, bowling at 145 could wreak havoc. Which, the likes of Shaun Tait bowling at 157 couldnt think of! And that's wherein lies the difference.

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How does that prove that he was a trundler, or medium pace. You guys needs to stop reacting to few videos on youtube and make an assessment on greatest left armer fast bowler who has ever played this game.

 

Anyone can bowl slow in any given spell, He played game for  18 yrs.

Where did I say Akram was trundler or medium pace? He was fast to fast medium. 

[ravishingravi]

Doesnt seem slow 

[rkt.india]

17 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Doesnt seem slow 

no one in this thread said Thomson was slow. Thomson pace wise was in category of Akhtar, Lee, Tait.

[express bowling]

58 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Doesnt seem slow 

 

 

Thomson was the fastest bowler of his era .... but we will never really know how his  " day-in-day-out speeds "  would compare with the quickest bowlers of the 2000s and 2010s

[express bowling]

18 hours ago, putrevus said:

I heard it all,  .Akram and Thompson are medium pace trundlers.Lack of safety gear made 1980s WI  bowlers into super fast bowlers from medium pace trundlers. 

 

No one has said all these things.

 

Thomson was fast.... may have been express too.

 

Akram varied between fast-medium and fast.   He himself has often said that he did not go for pace when the ball was swinging conventionally.

 

Holding, Roberts and  Marshall were fast.    Garner was very bouncy fast-medium.

 

It is a no-brainer that lack of helmets or visors and chest / arm / thigh guards would increase the fear factor of batsmen at lower speeds compared to modern era.

 

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

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Not since December 1975 was anybody recorded bowling that fast in match conditions.

On that one day in Perth, Jeff Thomson had recorded release speeds on 200/400 frames per second photosonic cameras of 159.49kph and 160.45kph (99.7mph), less than 0.3mph short of the magical 100mph mark. In fact, two men considered in the 'fastest ever' category, Michael Holding (148.54kph) and Andy Roberts (150.67kph) were both 10kph slower than Thomson on that day and an unwell Dennis Lillee (139.03kph) was 20kph slower. As an interesting side point, Jeff Thomson was also recorded by conventional radar the following year at 160.58kph to win a "fastest bowler" competition.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/cricinfoat20/content/current/story/661125.html

 

Roberts was recorded at 150ks and Holding at 148ks in 1975.Considering these are speeds over the length of flight, the release speed can be 5kmh extra. So no doubt that Holding and Roberts bowled 150ks.

 

 

[Ishantboyz]

he was quick but i think brett lee was faster

[Lala2790]

India will never produce a bowler as fast as Shaoib Ahktar.

 

Shoaib > Geoff Thompson > Sean Tait > Brett Lee > Waqar

 

 

[MechEng]

Thommo was 145 clicks, I'm not sure if he touched 150 realistically.

 

And Akhtar is the quickest bowler the game has ever seen.

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/cricinfoat20/content/current/story/661125.html

 

Roberts was recorded at 150ks and Holding at 148ks in 1975.Considering these are speeds over the length of flight, the release speed can be 5kmh extra. So no doubt that Holding and Roberts bowled 150ks.

 

 

 

Speeds recorded in 1975 and 76  were release speeds.

 

 " On that one day in Perth, Jeff Thomson had recorded release speeds on 200/400 frames per second photosonic cameras of 159.49kph and 160.45kph (99.7mph), less than 0.3mph short of the magical 100mph mark. In fact, two men considered in the 'fastest ever' category, Michael Holding (148.54kph) and Andy Roberts (150.67kph) were both 10kph slower than Thomson on that day and an unwell Dennis Lillee (139.03kph) was 20kph slower. "

 

 

These pacers knew that they were being measured just that day for a few overs in a competition and bowled as quick as they can.  Their regular fastest speeds should actually be 5 k to 3 k less..... and these were their fastest balls and not average speeds.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2017 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/cricinfoat20/content/current/story/661125.html

 

Roberts was recorded at 150ks and Holding at 148ks in 1975.Considering these are speeds over the length of flight, the release speed can be 5kmh extra. So no doubt that Holding and Roberts bowled 150ks.

 

 

So Holding wasn't a 95 mph bowler as spread by Muloghonto, neither was Andy Roberts.  Remember, this was a fast bowling comp so they must have all tried to bowl as fast as they could and then achieved that pace.  This may not be their usual pace that they bowled on average. Regarding Lillie, he was slowed down by 75 due to a back injury. He was at his quickest in 1971. This is Liliee at his quickest.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2017 by rkt.india