Why have Indian pacers, over the decades, bowled so few deliveries on the the off-stump to 5th stump lines ?

[jinjar]

3 minutes ago, MechEng said:

You're right to some extent, but still bowling that line will always keep the slip fielders interested even if you get hit for fours on a super flat pitch, it becomes only a matter of time before the wicket falls.

To get a slip catch on a pitch without movement, bowler either needs speed or get extra bounce, on indian pitches bounce is out of question. Regarding speed, until recently we had veggie delights (sorry for name calling, but horrible memories of 1990's and 2000's trundlers, complete garbage **** pace bowlers weighing 120pounds) as bowlers, so that was out of question.

[MechEng]

19 minutes ago, jinjar said:

To get a slip catch on a pitch without movement, bowler either needs speed or get extra bounce, on indian pitches bounce is out of question. Regarding speed, until recently we had veggie delights (sorry for name calling, but horrible memories of 1990's and 2000's trundlers, complete garbage **** pace bowlers weighing 120pounds) as bowlers, so that was out of question.

Speed and bounce are the chief weapons on flat decks but finding the right length will also do. The perfect length may not scare the batsman but it may confuse him whether to come forward or play on backfoot, in India that length should be between short and good length.

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, jinjar said:

IMO, it's because that line on previous Indian pitches will be driven all day long as there will be no movement. If bowler bowls on those pitches long enough, his body/muscles will develop to bowl in that angle and it will become natural, it's very hard to change after that.

 

Kapil Dev's off-stump and channel  lines would go against this theory.

[jinjar]

4 hours ago, MechEng said:

Speed and bounce are the chief weapons on flat decks but finding the right length will also do. The perfect length may not scare the batsman but it may confuse him whether to come forward or play on backfoot, in India that length should be between short and good length.

The scenario you are talking about, no pace, no bounce, and no swing is spinner's match. It's pipe dream to think line and length alone will keep your career alive in India, reality is those "pacemen" will get discouraged and beaten to **** by batsmen, and after one season will loose any aspiration to be a bowler.

 

Fortunately India pitches have started getting greener.

[Rightarmfast]

10 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

It also is a reason for lack of good batsmen who can play overseas .

In those concrete/ artificial nets young batsmen play through the line with minimal foot movement , they get off with not playing either forward or back properly because of lack of seam movement on those surfaces.

Thats why I have always maintained that the BCCI should actually spend more on Under 14-15 and 19 travelling abroad and having tournaments, atleast twice in a year.

[Tattieboy]

1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Thats why I have always maintained that the BCCI should actually spend more on Under 14-15 and 19 travelling abroad and having tournaments, atleast twice in a year.

Google a guy called Kailash Gattani and Star cricket club . See the names of young cricketers he took abroad on tours. 

 

[rkt.india]

length also depends on where are you playing. In England, on slower pitches, you should be on the fuller side of good length that is around 6 meter mark. In SA, you should be a bit on a shorter side of good length. It also depends on what you trying to do with the ball, swing or seam. 

[rkt.india]

and then it also depends on the batsman too. Take an example of Dravid who had really good footwork, if you too full to him, he will easily negotiate that because he moves hit feet very well.  he will easily blunt the swing but Sehwag and Laxman will struggle because of poor foot work.  Their records in England do indicate that.

[jinjar]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Kapil Dev's off-stump and channel  lines would go against this theory.

There will always be statistical outliers, let's say including Kapil we had less than 5 world class indian pace bowlers in the last 40 years, I can show you 100's of Indian pace bowlers who will fit my criteria, including the ones who disappeared after few seasons in domestic.

 

The same outlier applies to England and Australia who had less 5 world class spin bowlers each in the last 40 years, because their genetics/nutrition and pitches favor pace bowlers.

[mishra]

9 hours ago, jinjar said:

There will always be statistical outliers, let's say including Kapil we had less than 5 world class indian pace bowlers in the last 40 years, I can show you 100's of Indian pace bowlers who will fit my criteria, including the ones who disappeared after few seasons in domestic.

 

The same outlier applies to England and Australia who had less 5 world class spin bowlers each in the last 40 years, because their genetics/nutrition and pitches favor pace bowlers.

But how did Pakistanis became trundlers? While Bengladeshis produce fast bowlers?

 

[jinjar]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

But how did Pakistanis became trundlers? While Bengladeshis produce fast bowlers?

 

While we are at random question day, what's the meaning of life?.

[Rightarmfast]

2 hours ago, jinjar said:

While we are at random question day, what's the meaning of life?.

Jai ho baba!!!! Babaji, ye site Kapil dev type ke aadmi ke liye hai.. ram dev types ke liye nahi! 

 

Peace out

[Vijy]

On 2/1/2018 at 7:51 PM, jinjar said:

While we are at random question day, what's the meaning of life?.

it's 42 obviously.