Kathua rape-murder: Lawyers stop police from filing chargesheet

[FischerTal]

 

I think it was Supreme Court of India who criticized the CBI, labelling it as "Caged Parrot" and “its master’s voice”.

 

Could you tell us if Mehboba Mufti's government is really a traitor to India, why then BJP is still in the government with them? 

 

And I am afraid that you takes only one point from my post, and unlink it to the rest of points mentioned in the post, and then criticize it. 

 

For example, you take the point of Crime Branch only, and unlinked it with Delhi Lab, and also unlinked it with direct High Court monitoring, and then started criticizing the Crime Branch. 

 

While the situation is this that investigation by Crime Branch + Delhi Lab Report + High Court Monitoring  is much better option than CBI investigations. You have still not told us what do you have against Delhi Lab as it was not under the Mufti's government influence and the medical report it gave was full of proofs which suggest the drugging of the little girl, and injuries to the vagina, and blood on the shalwar, and hair DNA. 

You are not alone, reality is that that "ALL" the supporters of Hindu Ekta Manch are blaming Crime Branch, but they all have unlinked Crime Branch report from the report of Delhi Lab and they have not told us why they doubt the Delhi Lab report while Delhi Lab is not even under the Mufti's government influence. 

 

And then "none" of Hindu Ekta Manch supporter tells us why they don't trust their own High Court? 

They have full chance to prove Crime Branch guilty in the court. And if High Court agrees with them, then High Court has the power to order the CBI investigations, but not the mob. 

 

 

When did SC refer to CBI as caged parrot regarding this case? You cannot decide who is a better investigation agency. That is the SC’s job.  Stop beating around the bush. You can present your point of view but don’t expect others to agreee with you. SC will take final decision. 

[FischerTal]

 

A little girl has been brutally murdered. The murderers identified- yet we have peopl here talking about conspiracy theories, worried about their image etc. Disgusting.

Yea we see attempt by Jihadis to malign and get rid of Hindus from jammu. Not going to happen. 

[FischerTal]

 

Forensic evidence is fine, but how did they connect that to the accused, based on one strand of hair and one prescription in a nearby garbage..totally circumstantial evidence, to call for rape happening in Dev-sthan (forget about placard bollytard bimbos changing it to Devi-sthan!) and having a gang-rape tale woven around an influential guy who has property disputes with the nomadic tribe. Why do nomadic tribes own land/property is another question? Hymen tear is not evidence of rape, you need to have evidence of sperm secretion/foreign pubic hair to call it rape. She was not alive to tell the harrowing tale. 

 

http://www.opindia.com/2018/04/10-questions-raised-by-residents-of-kathua-and-why-they-doubt-the-charge-sheet-filed/

 

Some of the holes in charge-sheet.  Some of the conspiracy theories on outsider's act of influence:

 

Conspiracy 2:

The girl’s body was sent to Kathua district hospital for an autopsy on the afternoon of 17 January. Villagers say that activist-lawyer Talib Hussain was also present. How did he reach Kathua from “his hometown Poonch in a matter of hours”, the villagers asked. Swarajya spoke to many residents of Kootah and Rasana village and all confirmed that Sanji Ram’s name was indeed taken on 17th itself. How was the name of the accused taken before even the final investigation had begun?

 

According to sources, the villagers feel that their reputation is being tainted by spreading false rumours and allegations. The vicious campaign is now targeting the entire Hindu community. We have seen Whatsapp and Facebook posts that depict condoms on Shivji’s Trishul with the girl’s dead body on one spike. It’s disgraceful how their focus has changed from demanding justice for the little girl to maligning the whole community. “Are our gods and our religious symbols synonymous with rape now?” fumes an angry shopkeeper at Kathua.

 

 

 

 

That was the whole point, link this to larger conspiracy of Hindus being evil and imposing their will on innocent Muslims despite Muslims being in majority in this particular state. Mufti has gone nuts if she thinks she can remove Hindus from the state 

[Alam_dar]

I think Report is not clear about the "Timing" of killing and then throwing it into the Jungle. 

Zee TV assumed that Report says that JCL and Vishal Jangotra throw the dead body in the jungle in the "DAY Light" at 16:00. 

 

I don't think that dumping of the body took place in day time. It should have been done in the night darkness, especially when the Bakarwals were searching for her too. 

 

Report gave the time of meeting of  JD Shuboo with Amit at 16:00, but this was not the time of killing and dumping of her dead body. 

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

 

A little girl has been brutally murdered. The murderers identified- yet we have peopl here talking about conspiracy theories, worried about their image etc. Disgusting.

 

[Alam_dar]

 

When did SC refer to CBI as caged parrot regarding this case?

Whe did I talk about this case?

 

In other cases CBI has been criticized for being under the influence of the central government. Please read it here:

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-cbi-the-handmaiden-of-the-government/article19272931.ece

 

 

You cannot decide who is a better investigation agency. That is the SC’s job.

Yes, that is my point. 

Let the High Court decide if the Crime Branch report is corrupt or not. 

But it were the Hindutva supporters mob which was not letting the police to even register the case. 

Therefore, it is not the mob's job to decide, but the job of the High Court/Supreme Court to decide on the bases of evidences. 

 

  Stop beating around the bush. You can present your point of view but don’t expect others to agreee with you. SC will take final decision. 

Yes, supreme court has to decide. But then what was the reason to form Hindu Ekta Manch and BJP leaders leading it and making it a communal affair while they got no proofs that Crime Branch report or Delhi Lab report were corrupt? 

[FischerTal]

 

Whe did I talk about this case?

 

In other cases CBI has been criticized for being under the influence of the central government. Please read it here:

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-cbi-the-handmaiden-of-the-government/article19272931.ece

 

Yes, that is my point. 

Let the High Court decide if the Crime Branch report is corrupt or not. 

But it were the Hindutva supporters mob which was not letting the police to even register the case. 

Therefore, it is not the mob's job to decide, but the job of the High Court/Supreme Court to decide on the bases of evidences. 

Yes, supreme court has to decide. But then what was the reason to form Hindu Ekta Manch and BJP leaders leading it and making it a communal affair while they got no proofs that Crime Branch report or Delhi Lab report were corrupt? 

It is well known that the intentions of mehbooba mufti are to drive out Hindus from J and K. If you want to play naive nobody is stopping you

[Alam_dar]

 

It is well known that the intentions of mehbooba mufti are to drive out Hindus from J and K. If you want to play naive nobody is stopping you

I don't know about it.

Let us assume it is true. But then it should be protested on the national level and through legal means. 

In no way Hindutva supporting people like this group could be given permission to make plans and commit such heinous crime against a poor little girl. And then so much support for these criminals by the Hindutva forces including BJP is totally counter productive. 

 

 

[Garuda]

 

What difference does it makes whether it was a Devisthan or Devsthan? It is non related issue where the crime took place (at least for me while every place is same and main issue is "Intention" behind this crime). 

Devsthan - place of god

Devisthan - place of goddess

 

Goddess was worshipped by desert people who had less resources and had to resort to dacoitery, deception to survive. Kali is the goddess of destruction. She is not something physical but was worshipped (out of Fear) in ancient culture. Think of nature everyone calls it Mother Nature. The word matter and materialism is related to ma, mata (indo european) as in mother or goddess.

 

God was worshipped by agriculturists and represents food security. This is observed in man-woman relations. The woman is more deceitful than a man because man can easily overpower a woman but the woman overcomes a man by marital knot or by sex. This makes a big difference on tv to your subconcious mind. Many here dont know that they can be deceived through watching TV or movies or videos on the internet. Mind is a powerful tool that can be used to materialize good or bad things.

 

Kali in tandem with Shiva in astrology is depicted by Saturn who is neither male nor female (the lord of sorrow, death , deceit, alcohol, addictive substances such as drugs and nicotine, old age and death, dead substances, underground materials like oil which is made of dead fossils, iron, gold, magnets all materials that can be dug up). # is a division into 9 portions and every planet has some numbers to represent it.

 

So #devistan means a saturns representation. Infact in western occult which is derived from you know who , double x means the seal of solomon (XX). The # symbol is a variation of it. Dont think its non-related.

[FischerTal]

 

I don't know about it.

Let us assume it is true. But then it should be protested on the national level and through legal means. 

In no way Hindutva supporting people like this group could be given permission to make plans and commit such heinous crime against a poor little girl. And then so much support for these criminals by the Hindutva forces including BJP is totally counter productive. 

 

 

you are not judge and at this stage they are only accused.

[coffee_rules]

BCI has already said there was no truth to Kathua lawyers protesting to not register the case/chargesheet. They have been asking for CBI probe from day 1 and they are claiming to not supporting the accused. We  need a fair trial, not a kangaroo court justice like what the K&K police, CB and Mehbooba are building. 

Edited May 2, 2018 by coffee_rules

[Alam_dar]

 

BCI has already said there was no truth to Kathua lawyers protesting to not register the case/chargesheet. They have been asking for CBI probe from day 1 and they are claiming to not supporting the accused. We  need a fair trial, not a kangaroo court justice like what the K&K police, CB and Mehbooba are building. 

BCI is no one to judge or even to probe. 

It is a criminal case, and could only be investigated by the police. 

But these Bar Councils are good only for exerting the political pressure, which is unfortunate. It seems that Indian Supreme Court is the last remaining hope for the justice. 

 

And Lawyers are no one to take the form of a mob, and then to demand the CBI. They have the full right to put their arguments in the court and it is the court which has to take the decision about CBI. But at moment lawyers only exerting the "political pressure" upon the judiciary by taking the form of a mob, or by protesting on the roads. 

 

 

you are not judge and at this stage they are only accused.

Agreed. 

But then how you give this privilege to yourself and to the Hindu Ekta Manch to "JUDGE" the report of Crime Branch, and to hinder the justice by mob tactics?

[FischerTal]

7 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

BCI is no one to judge or even to probe. 

It is a criminal case, and could only be investigated by the police. 

But these Bar Councils are good only for exerting the political pressure, which is unfortunate. It seems that Indian Supreme Court is the last remaining hope for the justice. 

 

And Lawyers are no one to take the form of a mob, and then to demand the CBI. They have the full right to put their arguments in the court and it is the court which has to take the decision about CBI. But at moment lawyers only exerting the "political pressure" upon the judiciary by taking the form of a mob, or by protesting on the roads. 

 

Agreed. 

But then how you give this privilege to yourself and to the Hindu Ekta Manch to "JUDGE" the report of Crime Branch, and to hinder the justice by mob tactics?

Because we don’t trust the Crime branch of mehbooba mufti. We are not asking to declare them innocent, just a CBI probe so that justice is not denied. 

[Muloghonto]

12 hours ago, Garuda said:

Devsthan - place of god

Devisthan - place of goddess

 

Goddess was worshipped by desert people who had less resources and had to resort to dacoitery, deception to survive. Kali is the goddess of destruction. She is not something physical but was worshipped (out of Fear) in ancient culture. Think of nature everyone calls it Mother Nature. The word matter and materialism is related to ma, mata (indo european) as in mother or goddess.

This is quite literally a$$-backwards. Almost all mother goddess/goddess pantheons are from fertile places, as fertility has always been associated with the feminine. Christianity, Islam, Judaism are all desert religions and guess what - their God is a dude.

The Indian, Greek, Roman pantheons have more Goddesses than the Babylonian ones. 

 

 

[Alam_dar]

5 hours ago, FischerTal said:

Because we don’t trust the Crime branch of mehbooba mufti. We are not asking to declare them innocent, just a CBI probe so that justice is not denied. 

How could you mistrust and blame them to be corrupt without providing your evidence to the court? Is it not you who are telling us that accused are innocent till proven guilty in the court?

 

The other party would then say they don't trust BJP's federal government influenced CBI. How is it going to resolve when you are only want to play the blame game without proving them in the court? 

[randomGuy]

On 4/24/2018 at 1:23 PM, Garuda said:

Somewhat true. I wouldnt say 99%. In general, they are more violent and illiterate. South produces more and North eats more and reproduces more. More Northerners in South than vice-versa. Eventually these incidents will happen in South too but that's becuase of northies migrating here.

More percentage of north indians are vegetarians than any other people. That makes North Indians best human beings in the world 

Edited May 3, 2018 by randomGuy

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, randomGuy said:

More percentage of north indians are vegetarians than any other people. That makes North Indians best human beings in the world 

What is the connection of being vegetarians- who deny their own biology- with being best human beings ?!

I see it as failing to accept who they are - species homo sapiens, is an omnivore. There is no superiorism in going against one's own species' makeup. Its sanctimonious nonsense. 

[randomGuy]

9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

What is the connection of being vegetarians- who deny their own biology- with being best human beings ?!

I see it as failing to accept who they are - species homo sapiens, is an omnivore. There is no superiorism in going against one's own species' makeup. Its sanctimonious nonsense. 

Deny their own biology, says who? Perhaps one who isn't strong enough to quit non veg? 

 

Anyways....perhaps 25-50 crore animals are born, raised n slaughtered each day for human consumption since human population is 700cr....undeniably, this causes unimaginable horror and torture for the animals who go through it....north indians on average have least contribution in it in the world. 

Edited May 3, 2018 by randomGuy

[FischerTal]

1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

How could you mistrust and blame them to be corrupt without providing your evidence to the court? Is it not you who are telling us that accused are innocent till proven guilty in the court?

 

The other party would then say they don't trust BJP's federal government influenced CBI. How is it going to resolve when you are only want to play the blame game without proving them in the court? 

Hello, is the fake charge sheet not proof enough for you? Don’t play dumb

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Deny their own biology, says who? Perhaps one who isn't strong enough to quit non veg? 

 

Says science. Our earliest diet is fruits, nuts, meat and fish. Vegetables came much,much later. Good thing we can digest it- hence the tag OMNIVORE. 
It is a fact that for eg, when it comes to protein absorption, meat is the optimal source for us. Meat *is* the best source of protien, period. Every meat, every fish is a complete protein. Most veggies are incomplete ones. Thats also a fact. 

 

Why should one quit what one's body is best at processing and deriving nutrition from ?

2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Anyways....perhaps 25-50 crore animals are born, raised n slaughtered each day for human consumption since human population is 700cr....undeniably, this causes unimaginable horror and torture for the animals who go through it....north indians on average have least contribution in it in the world. 

The # of veggie north indians are insignificant to the # of non-veggie northies.  North India has somewhere between 10-15% veggie people. 
The 'horror and torture' is not really a factor IN India, as industrial meat farming is not really prevalent in India. 

Most animals in India are free-range meat, who live a life of containment (but not captivity aka pens like western meat farming). They are simply killed at the end of it, to feed us. A species who's eaten meat longer than veggies. Who's bodies are optimal for deriving certain nutrients (like protein) from meat. To kill our source of food is perfectly moral, especially when the suffering of the animal is minimized. 

 

Our semi-literate ancestors who came up with the BS of 'eating meat = lacking compassion' simply did not know our evolutionary history and saw eating meat as ' indulging in taste', without realizing that taste, like any other sense, is there for an evolutionary reason. So they can be forgiven for thinking we are killing animals for no better purpose except that they are yummy and yummy is bad.  We know better.