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randomGuy Grand Master

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8 hours ago, diga said:

I was only pointing out her stance on language.. not sure about her proclivities with respect to religion 

I don't know if want to trust her....what if she wants kannadigas to have false linguistic supremacy and wants to increase friction with non kannadigas afterall it is a political issue.

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On 10/26/2024 at 8:46 AM, singhvivek141 said:

Saraf or Sarraf ?
Sarraf is a common word in North for the folks who're are in ornaments business.

Saraf last name is a reference to the same community. So, when you see a Marathi fellow with last name Saraf, you know what his ancestors did. Like the Parsi guy with last name Daruwala :-)

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1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Is that a good or bad thing? 

She’s not celebrating actually, but not condemning it as well. She said that Muslim rigidity on its personal laws  on the SB case gave rise to divisive politics. So, what about the merits of the case itself. Don’t Muslim women deserve better alimony help like Hindu women who are misusing the laws mainly. What about CAA law? Why is so good that Muslims galvanized against it when it was not even about Indian Muslims? Your quintessential  Muslim moderate intellectual  like many others 

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Fadnavis government had issues a GR in April, making Hindi a compulsory thrid language for students in classes 1 to 5 studying in English and Marathi medium schools.


Due to strong opposition, of Hindi in Maharshtra's primary education, CM Devendra Fadnavus revoked the GR's issued regarding this three-language policy.

Hindi is anyways widely spoken in Mumbai and is second most spoken langauge after Marathi. But unnecessary khujli to force it on others. This attempt to force language was really unnecessary.

Previously I had heard a lot from others that people in South do not speak Hindi. Well, why should they. The people who do not know South Indian languages but go there for work or for vacation can speak English. Why should South Indian learn Hindi because people who just speak Hindi find it difficult to speak English. Instead of asking South Indian to learn Hindi why don't thise who speak Hindi learn South Indian. The government seems to have some agenda. They failed to do it in South India. Now they have failed to impose it in Maharshtra as well. Now I see sense in why South Indian states also opposed it and this attempt by government flopped.

I think the problem is that people who migrate to well developed cities from UP to developed job hubs like Bangalore, Mumbai etc find it tough to learn or are unwilling to learn Kannada, Marathi etc. So the governement tries to instead ask locals to Hindi just for the migration population.


I don't remember anyone saying make Kannada or Marathi or Gujarati or Tamil or Telugu compulsory in prinary education in UP. Then why these attempts to enforce Hindi on Southern states and Maharashtra. The obus is on the one who migrates to learn the local language of that place, to expect the reverse amd attempt to make Hindi compulsory on locals is stupidity. 
 

singhvivek141 Grand Master

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2 hours ago, crictime said:

Fadnavis government had issues a GR in April, making Hindi a compulsory thrid language for students in classes 1 to 5 studying in English and Marathi medium schools.


Due to strong opposition, of Hindi in Maharshtra's primary education, CM Devendra Fadnavus revoked the GR's issued regarding this three-language policy.

Hindi is anyways widely spoken in Mumbai and is second most spoken langauge after Marathi. But unnecessary khujli to force it on others. This attempt to force language was really unnecessary.

Previously I had heard a lot from others that people in South do not speak Hindi. Well, why should they. The people who do not know South Indian languages but go there for work or for vacation can speak English. Why should South Indian learn Hindi because people who just speak Hindi find it difficult to speak English. Instead of asking South Indian to learn Hindi why don't thise who speak Hindi learn South Indian. The government seems to have some agenda. They failed to do it in South India. Now they have failed to impose it in Maharshtra as well. Now I see sense in why South Indian states also opposed it and this attempt by government flopped.

I think the problem is that people who migrate to well developed cities from UP to developed job hubs like Bangalore, Mumbai etc find it tough to learn or are unwilling to learn Kannada, Marathi etc. So the governement tries to instead ask locals to Hindi just for the migration population.


I don't remember anyone saying make Kannada or Marathi or Gujarati or Tamil or Telugu compulsory in prinary education in UP. Then why these attempts to enforce Hindi on Southern states and Maharashtra. The obus is on the one who migrates to learn the local language of that place, to expect the reverse amd attempt to make Hindi compulsory on locals is stupidity. 
 


So,
there are thousands of Maharashtrians, Odias, Bengalis living in Hyderabad, Bangalore for years and only use Hindi/English to communicate with locals. Shall locals start bashing them so that they lose consciousness, coz they don't know local language ?

Very cleverly, you singled out UP. There are many UPites in Hyderabad, who are settled here from ages, and speak Telugu proficiently. While there are Tamilians and Malyali's who live in Hyderabad yet don't know local language. 

Does Mumbaikars speak Dogri when they go to Himachal ? or do they speak in Punjabi when they work in Chandigarh. They don't....I know a Gujarati IT professional who lived in Chandigarh for 10+ years, couldn't learn Punjabi and currently in Hyderabad from past 5+ years, he don't speak Telugu. Should he be slapped in open?

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3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:


So,
there are thousands of Maharashtrians, Odias, Bengalis living in Hyderabad, Bangalore for years and only use Hindi/English to communicate with locals. Shall locals start bashing them so that they lose consciousness, coz they don't know local language ?

Very cleverly, you singled out UP. There are many UPites in Hyderabad, who are settled here from ages, and speak Telugu proficiently. While there are Tamilians and Malyali's who live in Hyderabad yet don't know local language. 

Does Mumbaikars speak Dogri when they go to Himachal ? or do they speak in Punjabi when they work in Chandigarh. They don't....I know a Gujarati IT professional who lived in Chandigarh for 10+ years, couldn't learn Punjabi and currently in Hyderabad from past 5+ years, he don't speak Telugu. Should he be slapped in open?

Who talked about bashing ? It was about making hindi compulsory. 

Suggest you to read the post again properly before responding. 

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singhvivek141 Grand Master

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1 minute ago, crictime said:

Who talked about bashing ? It was about making hindi compulsory. 

Suggest you to read the post again properly before responding. 


Suggest you to please tell, what to do with the Maharashtrians, Odia's, bengalis in Hyderabad who don't know Telugu ?
We want a solution right ?, this debate can't exist forever.
 

singhvivek141 Grand Master

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Personally, all these language debates are nothing but cheap tricks to garner votes.
If someone feels that their language is threatened just coz, their neighbour talks to them in a language which is different from their, then trust me. You're getting fooled by the politicians. Imagine the irony, that your own politicians are fueling hatred against your own people, who just because they speak a language that's slightly different that yours. I mean, there is google translate available now, use it for good use.

All, these politicians and language activists won't target the rich class, because they depend on them for money. They won't target Bollywood, an apparently Hindi/urdu based industry in Mumbai, a Marathi based city. Why don't the same Marathi Asmita guys take the same action against Salman, Shahrukh, Akshay Kumar or Ajay Devgn. All they target is your general labourer or businessman, who is quietly working hours day and night to earn money or generating employment. 

Yes, I agree, learning a new language is an skill, but we also need to understand it's hard for an adult (who in current space is working 8-10 hours consistently in his office/work site, just to earn his livelihood). Although, we all know that most of the "North indian" languages (Gujarati, marathi, bengali, odia, rajasthani, bhojpuri, maithili, assamese etc) are much easier to learn in comparison to South Indian languages. Telugu and Kannada are the easiest to learn, but first you need to cross the big wall of "vocab"....marriage/wedding becomes "Vivaham/Pelli" in Telugu...former is easier to understand, later is an entirely new word.

Whats' the solution, well we don't have much choice anyway.
1. Either make "English" as mandatory across country. Though, this will kill local languages faster. I'm seeing it in my society where kids who're in 1st or 2nd standard struggle to read/write Telugu...even speaking is a problem. All they understand is English.
2. Revive Sanskrit, it will make field level for everyone. No one will have much of an advantage. Though issue of script will remain a problem, Devnagari will help Hindi, marathi, gujarati languages...but South indian states will continue to have this challenge unless they change their script entirely.

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crictime Mentor

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43 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:


Suggest you to please tell, what to do with the Maharashtrians, Odia's, bengalis in Hyderabad who don't know Telugu ?
We want a solution right ?, this debate can't exist forever.
 

 

The onus is on person migrating from to do more adjustments to that particular region than enforcing his language on everyone he interacts with.  

 

Solution 1:

The migrant can try speaking English with those who know English and are willing to communicate in English with him as suggested above. Or use another langauge which is common to both like Hindi. Not a 100 percent solution but if he is working in corporate then certainly e-mail communication which happens in organization will be 100 percent in English. Colleagues will be knowing English so the verbal discussion can also be in English to a significant extent.

 

 

Solution 2:

If he plans to stay there for longer time,then he should learn the langauge of that state while he uses English as other option. That will solve his problem.

 

Optimal Solution:

The central and state government are voted so that they attract manufacturing industries, service oriented companies, backoffices and other employment options across various sectors and industries for the people who voted for them. Develop the state such that people will not need to migrate because there are not enough  jobs in some states. The problem is there are states like UP and WB  where entities are not willinh to invest huge amount like they do in major cities. State government should be questioned for lack of jobs. Vote for a change. If the state is still incapable to attract investments then they will need to migrate to earn and survive. In that case try some common language and also meanwhile learn the other languge where he/she has migrated.

singhvivek141 Grand Master

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The onus is on person migrating from to do more adjustments to that particular region than enforcing his language on everyone he interacts with.  

 

Solution 1:

The migrant can try speaking English with those who know English and are willing to communicate in English with him as suggested above. Or use another langauge which is common to both like Hindi. Not a 100 percent solution but if he is working in corporate then certainly e-mail communication which happens in organization will be 100 percent in English. Colleagues will be knowing English so the verbal discussion can also be in English to a significant extent.

 

 

Solution 2:

If he plans to stay there for longer time,then he should learn the langauge of that state while he uses English as other option. That will solve his problem.

 

Optimal Solution:

The central and state government are voted so that they attract manufacturing industries, service oriented companies, backoffices and other employment options across various sectors and industries for the people who voted for them. Develop the state such that people will not need to migrate because there are not enough  jobs in some states. The problem is there are states like UP and WB  where entities are not willinh to invest huge amount like they do in major cities. State government should be questioned for lack of jobs. Vote for a change. If the state is still incapable to attract investments then they will need to migrate to earn and survive. In that case try some common language and also meanwhile learn the other languge where he/she has migrated.


Good points, but there are certain flaws

Sol 1 : Let's assume a scenario, where a B.Tech graduate from Noida, get campus placement in TCS and he gets xferred to Hyderabad. Those who've worked in TCS will notice the amount of work TCS put on the freshers. They burn their butt for 10-14 hours in office, he can manage in English. But he will also have to communicate to landlords, auto wallahs, and other local businesses and people who may not know English. Let's assume they resist Hindi as well, what will that guy/girl do ? Ask for xfer ?...TCS isn't gonna give xfers that easy (have tried this multiple times during my initial days of career as I never wanted to come to Hyderabad, but my company pushed me forcefully).

Sol 2 : What's the duration of "longer"...a year, 2 year, 5 year ? Complexity of languages vary...a person from UP or WB can pickup Marathi, Odia, Gujarati early in comparison to malayalam or Tamil. Plus considering his workload mention in Sol 1. (Shouldn't the hiring companies/business ventures take an ownership ? As they're pulling the people from different states courtesy of their needs, but that too is a variable...today they might have requirement in Pune, after couple of years, they throw the guy to Chennai...and then to Bengaluru, what should be his priority ? Upskilling in his career or learning new language ? English isn't spoken everywhere).

Optimal Solution : Well, not all states can progress at same pace. States which has access to coastline will always be at advantage, due to lower logistics cost. Why would a pvt. industry will setup a manufacturing industry in UP? when they can easily setup the same in Chennai or Mumbai coz they have a readymade port to access the trans-shipment. Companies tend to remain closer to the already established eco-system, something which NI states missed the lead due to historical issues. Now, unless, state govt. given them heavy discounts (which will again put burden on Center, causing unequal distribution of wealth between states...another debate will spark and burn the country). 

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11 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:


Good points, but there are certain flaws

Sol 1 : Let's assume a scenario, where a B.Tech graduate from Noida, get campus placement in TCS and he gets xferred to Hyderabad. Those who've worked in TCS will notice the amount of work TCS put on the freshers. They burn their butt for 10-14 hours in office, he can manage in English. But he will also have to communicate to landlords, auto wallahs, and other local businesses and people who may not know English. Let's assume they resist Hindi as well, what will that guy/girl do ? Ask for xfer ?...TCS isn't gonna give xfers that easy (have tried this multiple times during my initial days of career as I never wanted to come to Hyderabad, but my company pushed me forcefully).

Sol 2 : What's the duration of "longer"...a year, 2 year, 5 year ? Complexity of languages vary...a person from UP or WB can pickup Marathi, Odia, Gujarati early in comparison to malayalam or Tamil. Plus considering his workload mention in Sol 1. (Shouldn't the hiring companies/business ventures take an ownership ? As they're pulling the people from different states courtesy of their needs, but that too is a variable...today they might have requirement in Pune, after couple of years, they throw the guy to Chennai...and then to Bengaluru, what should be his priority ? Upskilling in his career or learning new language ? English isn't spoken everywhere).

Optimal Solution : Well, not all states can progress at same pace. States which has access to coastline will always be at advantage, due to lower logistics cost. Why would a pvt. industry will setup a manufacturing industry in UP? when they can easily setup the same in Chennai or Mumbai coz they have a readymade port to access the trans-shipment. Companies tend to remain closer to the already established eco-system, something which NI states missed the lead due to historical issues. Now, unless, state govt. given them heavy discounts (which will again put burden on Center, causing unequal distribution of wealth between states...another debate will spark and burn the country). 


Three language policy  enforcement:

Who requested to Maharashtra state government that Hindi should be made compulsory and three-langauge policy to be made compulsory. Was it central government or state government oe the people of Maharshtra. This has to be made clear first. 


Cannot the government, be it central or state be happy with the languages spoken in Maharashtra.  In fact Mumbai is a true cosmopolitan city in all sense. Hindi is second most spoke langauge then why was this policy required. Hence it comes across as a hidden or unnecessary agenda. BJP has to stop these antics as this certaily is not Maharashtra's problem or keeping it back from development.
Rather there is a lack of schools in 1800 villages in Maharshtra. The potholes on Mumbai goa highway, Western Express highway, Eastern express highway, Flyovers in Mumbai demand their attention first.

This is just an unnecessray step.


Scenario 1:
What makes the employer recruit someone from Noida and depute him in Hyderabad. Can they not select someone from Hyderabad itself.Is there nobody in Hyderabad with same skills and qualifications.  Can you explain why such recrutiment happens.Why all this circus in first place.

Similarly if the vacancy is in Noida then they should recruit from Noida, not Hyderabad. 


Solution 2:
As I wrote in above part, the company has done outside the stae requirement due to which this problem has arises. But then as the person has also agreed to move to other state, he has to accept the challenges as well which come in that way. The relevant to this dicussion being learning that langauge. Giving the excuse that there is no time after being aware of consequences is not going to solve the problem. Nobody expects to be a 100 percent in other language. If the locals realize that one is doing language classes offline or online or making an attempt to make his own life easy then they will also be more welcoming to help the migrant even if there are mistakes in spoken language. They don't cut marks, do they. 
Regarding the transfer to state every year, well if that is happening then the company should stop that. It creates more problem for employee than it does in trying to fit him into the job. The employee should also look for work in a company which such nonsense of shifting a person with family every year does not happen. Or rather a company in his home state so that this can be totally avoided. And who is actually working 10 to 14 hours on a daily basis. I can understand they do many hours ectra on yearly bank closing, or in cases of critical sitautions etc but if these critical scenarios are happening on daily basis then I bet they have found a brilliant Head of department or Manager that he creates such a situation daily. Must be a genius.

 

Optimal Solution:

As far as I am aware UP has been notorious for crime. Corruption and demand from those who want to set up something is also there. These two factors makes investors think twive and avoid investing in UP. Correct me if I am wrong on these two points.


If that is not the case, then what are the reasons state government have given for not creating enough jobs in UP and WB.  Has opposition questioned them or is  that even opposition is hand in gloves with them that these questions are not asked.Yes, the vicinity of ports helps in exports and logistics but if export is an issue then even import will be an issue. More the reason to set up manufacturing locally and save on logistics and time consumed waiting for the ship to navigate waters, berth, get clearance from port handling authorities, upload onto trucks to get the products delivered. Add insurance costs during sea transit. Logistics in local manufacturing to meet local demands is the minimum they can surely achieve. 


There are landlocked cities and countries around the world without easy acces to port but still they have manufacturing plants. So the real reason is aome other factors are at play.Let us not go far away and look within India itself. Baddi is a manufacturing hub as well in pharma, cosmetic and other product lines. It is far away in distance from JNPT in Mumbai or Mundra in Gujarat than that between Uttarpradesh and JNPT or Mundra. Still pharma ,cosmetic and other products manufacturing of top conpanies happens is Baddi not UP. 

Many Indian companies have  set up greenfield plants in Bangladesh and SriLanka to tap the domestic market over there, so why have they not bothered to invest to  set up something in UP. 


Many sectors do not need ports at all, especially non-tangible products like software.  Is the lack of ports the real hindrance for setup of software offices in UP.

 

Now let us move to the finance domain, Fintech companies which just need to authorize transaction and does not involves any paperwork like delovery of monthly statement etc.  Razorpay, Mobikwik, PhonePe types. Many such come up from various banks, non banking institutions which require backoffice staff and customer care.

Ideally most of industrial activity that happens in Mumbai. Hyderabad, Bengaluru can happen in other states as domestic market is also there to be tapped into. I have given exanple of Baddi considering distance of other landlocked place within India itself.Also other products not dependent on ports like finance domain products like fintech payments, call centres for domestic and international companies are an opportunity to be exploited. I have not even dwelved upon the agricultural industry which in itself is a major one in India and a basic necissity for the whole globe.

 

The real reason is the government/s are not delivering expectations of the people. Corruption is probably more somewhere. Less percent of educated people cannot be a reason for manufacturong sector which can do with lesser educated people working on assembly lines. And if percentage of educated population is the problem for other industries like software, healthcare research etc then what is the state government doing for decades irrespective of the name of ruling party.

 

 

The boom has happened once and other states have lured the investors, both local and global. But not the last as new ventures keep coming up. Some states have succeded whereas others lost the important years. Neither do I expect some activity of some cities and state to be matched everywhere but considering the vast resources the difference shouldn't be as much. The sectors can be different but the trade value gap has to be less. The excuse of lack of port on state is a lame excuse by politicians to fool the people and hide their ineffeciency with regards to development of the state. 

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 problem or keeping it back from development.

Rather there is a lack of schools in 1800 villages in Maharshtra. The 

Here is the north , villages are getting emptied of the younger people. Even Tier 2 cities barely have enough kids. Why do you want to make 1800 schools in villages? That is a wasteful expenditure if there was any.... teacher ke liye koi kaam nahi, ek baar recruit kar liye to Marne Tak Bina kaam ke pension deni padegi...aur all expenditure will be from taxpayers pocket.

 

That was the first flaw of 1000 flaws in your post, which i would have liked to have dispelled if I had time. A post which is of Totally wrong, useless notions and devoid of facts. 

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12 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

. But he will also have to communicate to landlords, auto wallahs, and other local businesses and people who may not know English. Let's assume they resist Hindi as well, what will that guy/girl do ?

Google translate with speaker option.  It’s not that complex.

 

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Here is the north , villages are getting emptied of the younger people. Even Tier 2 cities barely have enough kids. Why do you want to make 1800 schools in villages? That is a wasteful expenditure if there was any.... teacher ke liye koi kaam nahi, ek baar recruit kar liye to Marne Tak Bina kaam ke pension deni padegi...aur all expenditure will be from taxpayers pocket.

 

That was the first flaw of 1000 flaws in your post, which i would have liked to have dispelled if I had time. A post which is of Totally wrong, useless notions and devoid of facts. 

So now education of rural people is no more important. I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree. 

 

The 1800 villages not having school is in context if Maharashtra, if you go through my post carefully. This sentence I posted has nothing to do with Northern states.  Posting that line again for your easy reference:

Rather there is a lack of schools in 1800 villages in Maharshtra. 

 

 

I disagree because, imo education is the backbone of the progress of the individual, the soceity, the state and the country.

 

Thankfully many who have to travel far away distances to other villages either walking or by road travel on potholes ridden road are demanding education in their own villages.

 

Regarding tax payers money, well everyone knows where some portion of this tax goes. That subject is better not touched upon. I for one would be very glad if the taxes paid by me gies to education of these villagers. Personally we have donated computers, fans, tables, chairs to schools in rural places. Luckily people of Maharsahtra have a different view and apart from paying jutst education cess and waiting for government to wake up are doing the best they can in social work or education of people. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:


So,
there are thousands of Maharashtrians, Odias, Bengalis living in Hyderabad, Bangalore for years and only use Hindi/English to communicate with locals. Shall locals start bashing them so that they lose consciousness, coz they don't know local language ?

Very cleverly, you singled out UP. There are many UPites in Hyderabad, who are settled here from ages, and speak Telugu proficiently. While there are Tamilians and Malyali's who live in Hyderabad yet don't know local language. 

Does Mumbaikars speak Dogri when they go to Himachal ? or do they speak in Punjabi when they work in Chandigarh. They don't....I know a Gujarati IT professional who lived in Chandigarh for 10+ years, couldn't learn Punjabi and currently in Hyderabad from past 5+ years, he don't speak Telugu. Should he be slapped in open?

They must learn language of land.

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Three language policy  enforcement:

Who requested to Maharashtra state government that Hindi should be made compulsory and three-langauge policy to be made compulsory. Was it central government or state government oe the people of Maharshtra. This has to be made clear first. 


Cannot the government, be it central or state be happy with the languages spoken in Maharashtra.  In fact Mumbai is a true cosmopolitan city in all sense. Hindi is second most spoke langauge then why was this policy required. Hence it comes across as a hidden or unnecessary agenda. BJP has to stop these antics as this certaily is not Maharashtra's problem or keeping it back from development.
Rather there is a lack of schools in 1800 villages in Maharshtra. The potholes on Mumbai goa highway, Western Express highway, Eastern express highway, Flyovers in Mumbai demand their attention first.

This is just an unnecessray step.


Scenario 1:
What makes the employer recruit someone from Noida and depute him in Hyderabad. Can they not select someone from Hyderabad itself.Is there nobody in Hyderabad with same skills and qualifications.  Can you explain why such recrutiment happens.Why all this circus in first place.

Similarly if the vacancy is in Noida then they should recruit from Noida, not Hyderabad. 


Solution 2:
As I wrote in above part, the company has done outside the stae requirement due to which this problem has arises. But then as the person has also agreed to move to other state, he has to accept the challenges as well which come in that way. The relevant to this dicussion being learning that langauge. Giving the excuse that there is no time after being aware of consequences is not going to solve the problem. Nobody expects to be a 100 percent in other language. If the locals realize that one is doing language classes offline or online or making an attempt to make his own life easy then they will also be more welcoming to help the migrant even if there are mistakes in spoken language. They don't cut marks, do they. 
Regarding the transfer to state every year, well if that is happening then the company should stop that. It creates more problem for employee than it does in trying to fit him into the job. The employee should also look for work in a company which such nonsense of shifting a person with family every year does not happen. Or rather a company in his home state so that this can be totally avoided. And who is actually working 10 to 14 hours on a daily basis. I can understand they do many hours ectra on yearly bank closing, or in cases of critical sitautions etc but if these critical scenarios are happening on daily basis then I bet they have found a brilliant Head of department or Manager that he creates such a situation daily. Must be a genius.

 

Optimal Solution:

As far as I am aware UP has been notorious for crime. Corruption and demand from those who want to set up something is also there. These two factors makes investors think twive and avoid investing in UP. Correct me if I am wrong on these two points.


If that is not the case, then what are the reasons state government have given for not creating enough jobs in UP and WB.  Has opposition questioned them or is  that even opposition is hand in gloves with them that these questions are not asked.Yes, the vicinity of ports helps in exports and logistics but if export is an issue then even import will be an issue. More the reason to set up manufacturing locally and save on logistics and time consumed waiting for the ship to navigate waters, berth, get clearance from port handling authorities, upload onto trucks to get the products delivered. Add insurance costs during sea transit. Logistics in local manufacturing to meet local demands is the minimum they can surely achieve. 


There are landlocked cities and countries around the world without easy acces to port but still they have manufacturing plants. So the real reason is aome other factors are at play.Let us not go far away and look within India itself. Baddi is a manufacturing hub as well in pharma, cosmetic and other product lines. It is far away in distance from JNPT in Mumbai or Mundra in Gujarat than that between Uttarpradesh and JNPT or Mundra. Still pharma ,cosmetic and other products manufacturing of top conpanies happens is Baddi not UP. 

Many Indian companies have  set up greenfield plants in Bangladesh and SriLanka to tap the domestic market over there, so why have they not bothered to invest to  set up something in UP. 


Many sectors do not need ports at all, especially non-tangible products like software.  Is the lack of ports the real hindrance for setup of software offices in UP.

 

Now let us move to the finance domain, Fintech companies which just need to authorize transaction and does not involves any paperwork like delovery of monthly statement etc.  Razorpay, Mobikwik, PhonePe types. Many such come up from various banks, non banking institutions which require backoffice staff and customer care.

Ideally most of industrial activity that happens in Mumbai. Hyderabad, Bengaluru can happen in other states as domestic market is also there to be tapped into. I have given exanple of Baddi considering distance of other landlocked place within India itself.Also other products not dependent on ports like finance domain products like fintech payments, call centres for domestic and international companies are an opportunity to be exploited. I have not even dwelved upon the agricultural industry which in itself is a major one in India and a basic necissity for the whole globe.

 

The real reason is the government/s are not delivering expectations of the people. Corruption is probably more somewhere. Less percent of educated people cannot be a reason for manufacturong sector which can do with lesser educated people working on assembly lines. And if percentage of educated population is the problem for other industries like software, healthcare research etc then what is the state government doing for decades irrespective of the name of ruling party.

 

 

The boom has happened once and other states have lured the investors, both local and global. But not the last as new ventures keep coming up. Some states have succeded whereas others lost the important years. Neither do I expect some activity of some cities and state to be matched everywhere but considering the vast resources the difference shouldn't be as much. The sectors can be different but the trade value gap has to be less. The excuse of lack of port on state is a lame excuse by politicians to fool the people and hide their ineffeciency with regards to development of the state. 

Language formula is just a cover fire...MNS was attacking on the Bihari, UP and MP migrant labourers during 2009-10 as well. That time Central or State govt didn't pass any law about language. So it's just a dramebaazi.
I agree that MH state and national highways are poorly maintained. I frequently travel by car between Hyd-Vns and the places in MH like Hinganghat, ButiBori has 3rd class NH's. It's only when I cross Nagpur bypass, roads improve. In comparison, Telangana, UP and MP roads are at a different level. Though I have seen some improvement, when I travelled to Pandharpur and Parli Vaijnath in month of May'25. So it seems govt is taking care of the roads. 

Taking about points
Scenario 1: Software Industry is heavily dependent on human resources. The engineering graduates from North are higher in Number, hence they're allocated to different parts of country. Companies also try their best to not push a fresher in his home state. Also, significant amount of students in South, do move abroad for higher studies. In North, mostly people do the graduation and then start looking for job.

Scenario 2: A person looking for job don't have much say in this. Whether it's fresher or experienced professional. Living in a metro isn't easy. And companies will keep on moving the folks from one town to other based on the job requirement. For ex. My Prog Director was a fellow from Paradeep (OD), and he was in Bhubaneshwar with his family settled. Last Aug, company decided to shut the BBSR office and moved the entire workforce to Hyd for logistical reasons. He was given 2 choice, either to resign or move. That fellow has 2 kids, one in 10th and other in 5rd...he had to shift along coz bills don't come for free, and options to switch in BBSR is less. Unless you're in Pune, Bengaluru or Hyderabad...many folks don't have choice.

Thirdly, about UP. It "used to" have high crime rate. I won't go much in details as it might sound boring to you, but to summarize...when the entire country was riding on the wave of liberalisation. Both UP and Bihar were struggling with governments which were highly communal. By the time in 2005-06 those states became free, the ship had already sailed, now UP is trying to catchup. But setting up a new ecosystem takes time and resources. And you know anyway, how much our private players are ready to take "risk". It's all dependent on govt.

Now, UP still has tremendous amount of industries...Agro based, Defence, Leather, Cement, Railways, Sports. Border towns of UP/MP are the cement lifeline of country, you will also find high amount of Bauxite. Limestone and other minerals. Singrauli/Shaktinagar belt of MP/UP/CG is coal/energy capital of India. Meerut's cricket bats are best in India.
So, change is happening on the ground, Leather industry which was dying slow death is currently revived. Yogi govt. has setup UPIDC where Defence Sectors will heavily manufacture arms for Indian Defence. But these industries will take time to run at full pace, maybe next 8-10 years. 

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