Why do some South Indians can speak Hindi fluently while many can't?

[randomGuy]

27 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I get it, I know it's futile to explain something to someone who already has passed the judgment in their mind..

Isko jab har direction se joote padte hain, tabhi ye satisfy hota hai... That's been his nature.

[Lannister]

@singhvivek141 A nation cannot be built on religion alone. Just look at Europe or Middle East. Nations are founded on shared language and cultural history. We are a union, not a singular nation like Japan or France.

[kepler37b]

On 4/18/2018 at 7:02 PM, rageaddict said:

It's upto the Bihari Master Race to spread Hindi in Tamil Nadu and bring the culturally isolated Tamilians into mainstream India. 

 

What an awful place  to visit as an average Indian as its a country within a country ,  I will feel  more at home in Waziristan and Quetta than I did during my stay in TN. 

 

Lol @ Living in India and having no idea about what Sholay is,  that is equivalent of  living in India and being  unaware of World Cup Victory in 1983 and 2011 .

Hindi is just the biggest regional  language of this land.

 

Delusions of some hindi premis are mind boggling.

[singhvivek141]

54 minutes ago, Lannister said:

@singhvivek141 A nation cannot be built on religion alone. Just look at Europe or Middle East. Nations are founded on shared language and cultural history. We are a union, not a singular nation like Japan or France.

Europe or Middle East were broken down to pieces due to their internal fightings.
Saudi, Oman, Yemen all speak Arabic...yet they're different nations. French language is widely spoken in Switzerland, Luxembourg and Netherlands as well.

If we will start dividing on language then every state will become a balkanised version of itself. 
Cultrally yes, India was and is a single culture just because majority share a common religion. Else the culture will be smashed to pieces it happened in Pakistan, Afghanistan and slowly to Bangladesh now.

[zen]

21 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Hindi is just the biggest regional  language of this land.

 

Delusions of some hindi premis are mind boggling.

The issue is that many Hindi speakers have been programmed to believe that it is India’s national language, when it is mainly one of the two official languages of the Union govt, which hardly anyone minds.

 

Therefore, this group began to believe that an Indian should know Hindi, a uniting language (per them) but it is actually turning divisive (Even politicians can be clueless about this). 
 

Non Hindi states should look to educate folks who seek to migrate to non Hindi belts.

 

Put a sign such as “Hindi is NOT a national language and we don’t want it used in our region (unless for central government related tasks)” at airports, train stations, bus stops, etc. 

How long this can continue when smaller regions have to constantly fight dynasties, the British Rule, and now this Hindi non sense (where is freedom)?
 

It appears as “India” is only a stop gap solution designed to move away from the British India. We still need to connect with our ancient regional roots (culture including language), which is what this “speak Hindi” movement will eventually highlight to people whose mother tongue is not Hindi. 

Edited October 10, 2024 by zen

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Are you referring to our collectivist nature? This trait is common across Asia regardless of the region or country. It's to do with our geography. Not just specific to the Indian subcontinent.

Not sure how to say this, but the traits that I mentioned are common in South East Asia to a large extent, which is greater Indian subcontinent. But it's completely absent right from our western border.
Even Indonesia and Malaysia still have some % of those values intact. But nothing is left now in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

The issue is that many Hindi speakers have been programmed to believe that it is India’s national language, when it is mainly one of the two official languages of the Union govt, which hardly anyone minds.

 

Therefore, this group began to believe that an Indian should know Hindi, a uniting language (per them) but it is actually turning divisive (Even politicians can be clueless about this). 
 

Non Hindi states should look to educate folks who seek to migrate to non Hindi belts. 

How long this can continue when smaller regions has to constantly fight dynasties,  British Rule, and now this Hindi non sense.

I don't think it's true with the current gen. They're far more aware and adaptable.
Unless, we're talking about the labour class, most of the pvt. sector employees don't have any problem in switching to "other official language". Problem arises when everyone start protesting and disrespecting the Hindi language just coz they hear too many folks speaking in it.

My team has people from North KA, Gujarat, Delhi, Odisha....on Friday's when we're in non-professional mood. We all talk in Hindi without any problem. There is no bias, no resistance, no protests. 
Even if someone says, let's not talk in Hindi as we're using professional means. I am fine with English.
But issue is if someone forcefully start saying, I won't speak to you in "x" language coz I will only talk in "y" language. Then the conflict arises.

Anyway, just FYI. A majority % of local population in SI states like Karnataka, Telangana, Andhra call "Urdu" as it's primary language. Mysuru for ex. has 21% of people calling Urdu as it's primary language as per wikipedia. Those aren't outsiders, they're locals and local govt is doing nothing about it.

[zen]

@Lannister

 

“Put a sign such as “Hindi is NOT a national language and we don’t want it used in our region (unless for central government related tasks)” at airports, train stations, bus stops, etc.”

 

Why not do the above in your region rather than getting involved in a zero sum game online?

[randomGuy]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

 

 

 

Put a sign such as “Hindi is NOT a national language and we don’t want it used in our region (unless for central government related tasks)” at airports, train stations, bus stops, etc. 

 

Put a sign on your forehead saying 'i am an idiot' so that you can read it every time when looking into a mirror.

[zen]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

I don't think it's true with the current gen. They're far more aware and adaptable.
Unless, we're talking about the labour class, most of the pvt. sector employees don't have any problem in switching to "other official language". Problem arises when everyone start protesting and disrespecting the Hindi language just coz they hear too many folks speaking in it.

My team has people from North KA, Gujarat, Delhi, Odisha....on Friday's when we're in non-professional mood. We all talk in Hindi without any problem. There is no bias, no resistance, no protests. 
Even if someone says, let's not talk in Hindi as we're using professional means. I am fine with English.
But issue is if someone forcefully start saying, I won't speak to you in "x" language coz I will only talk in "y" language. Then the conflict arises.

Anyway, just FYI. A majority % of local population in SI states like Karnataka, Telangana, Andhra call "Urdu" as its primary language. Mysuru for ex. has 21% of people calling Urdu as its primary language as per wikipedia. Those aren't outsiders, they're locals and local govt is doing nothing about it.

World is a mixed bag. There will always be nice people and there will always be the bad apples. But a bad apple can spoil the whole lot. 
 

To me, knowing or not knowing any 2nd or 3rd language is an individual’s choice. 

 

[zen]

1 minute ago, randomGuy said:

Put a sign on your forehead saying 'i am an idiot' so that you can read it every time when looking into a mirror.

Unnecessary comment.

[kepler37b]

20 minutes ago, zen said:

The issue is that many Hindi speakers have been programmed to believe that it is India’s national language, when it is mainly one of the two official languages of the Union govt, which hardly anyone minds.

 

Therefore, this group began to believe that an Indian should know Hindi, a uniting language (per them) but it is actually turning divisive (Even politicians can be clueless about this). 
 

Non Hindi states should look to educate folks who seek to migrate to non Hindi belts.

 

Put a sign such as “Hindi is NOT a national language and we don’t want it used in our region (unless for central government related tasks)” at airports, train stations, bus stops, etc. 

How long this can continue when smaller regions have to constantly fight dynasties, the British Rule, and now this Hindi non sense (where is freedom)?
 

It appears as “India” is only a stop gap solution designed to move away from the British India. We still need to connect with our ancient regional roots (culture including language), which is what this “speak Hindi” movement will eventually highlight to people whose mother tongue is not Hindi. 

Learning the local language is the minimum respect you can give to host culture.

 

It is so sad to see the state of Mumbai. No one thinks it is a maratha city. It has been fully hindi-ized. So glad that kannadiga bros have woken up and are trying to maintain their language in Bengaluru.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

11 minutes ago, zen said:

@Lannister

 

“Put a sign such as “Hindi is NOT a national language and we don’t want it used in our region (unless for central government related tasks)” at airports, train stations, bus stops, etc.”

 

Why not do the above in your region rather than getting involved in a zero sum game online?

Are pvt shops owners independent of deciding what language to use for their shops ?
 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, kepler37b said:

Learning the local language is the minimum respect you can give to host culture.

 

It is so sad to see the state of Mumbai. No one thinks it is a maratha city. It has been fully hindi-ized. So glad that kannadiga bros have woken up and are trying to maintain their language in Bengaluru.

 

 

Frankly speaking, Mumbai was never a Maratha city historically.
Pune, Satara were the Maratha Empire's power center.
It was always a city established by Britishers, and then folks from all over India started living there and developed it to a level which is now.
Even now, most of the established institutions are owned by Gujarati's.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Are pvt shops owners independent of deciding what language to use for their shops ?
 

A private shop owner will usually try to speak the language of his/her customer. 
 

But if they want to serve a particular segment, they can choose to do so.

 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, zen said:

A private shop owner will usually try to speak the language of his/her customer. 
 

But if they want to serve a particular segment, they can choose to do so.

 

What I meant was "Are pvt shops owners independent of deciding what language to use for their shops names ?"

[Lannister]

34 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Europe or Middle East were broken down to pieces due to their internal fightings.
Saudi, Oman, Yemen all speak Arabic...yet they're different nations. French language is widely spoken in Switzerland, Luxembourg and Netherlands as well.

If we will start dividing on language then every state will become a balkanised version of itself. 
Cultrally yes, India was and is a single culture just because majority share a common religion. Else the culture will be smashed to pieces it happened in Pakistan, Afghanistan and slowly to Bangladesh now.

Why should any South Indian accept your version of India, where the idea of nation will be culturally rooted in Hindi, your language? That seems pretty convenient for you, doesn't it?

[zen]

7 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Learning the local language is the minimum respect you can give to host culture.

 

It is so sad to see the state of Mumbai. No one thinks it is a maratha city. It has been fully hindi-ized. So glad that kannadiga bros have woken up and are trying to maintain their language in Bengaluru.

 

The initiative to learn local language depends on how long one plans to stay in the region and usefulness of the language.
 

For an outsider, any Indian language which is not his/her mother tongue has a limited scope. If one plans to reside in a region for a long term, yes, make an effort to learn the local language. 
 

Mumbai is a special city (Exceptions are not rules) where people from all cultures have gathered.  It was even part of Gujarat once. It should be a State! 

[singhvivek141]

Just now, Lannister said:

Why should any South Indian accept your version of India, where the idea of nation will be culturally rooted in Hindi, your language? That seems pretty convenient for you, doesn't it?

Shall we switch to Sanskrit then ? Will South India accept it ?
If yes, then will take the blessings from Lord Venkateshwara and promote it.
if no, then, there is no solution. The existing status-quo will continue, and no party is ready to compromise.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

What I meant was "Are pvt shops owners independent of deciding what language to use for their shops names ?"

Yeah! At the end of the day, anyone can use any language voluntary as long as it is not forced. A Thai Restaurant will B’luru will use a Thai name.