PBN Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Muloghonto said: we do not have taxation figures from Ranjit Singh. So we cannot say. we have the data from the Mughals because the Mughal records survive and they were better organized. Sikh empire was a short-lived, one-man show so its understandable that they were not nearly as consolidated or as organized as a 200 year mughal empire. An educated guess would be that the numbers for Punjab didn't change much between Aurangzeb and Ranjit Singh,because it was the British that introduced irrigation in Punjab and made a big difference agriculturally. Wrong, Sikh Empire was quite wealthy and Punjab has always been well do with its fertile land. There are five rivers flowing through it and makes farming ideal Even before irrigation canals, there were tube well form of irrigation since the 1600s. Comparing Bengal with Punjab on the basis on taxation is foolish. Taxation in Mughal period doesn't imply much and that too in two varied distant lands. Moghuls might have just concentrated on Bengal rather than Punjab or Punjabis didn't shell out tax as there were constant uprisings in Punjab during the Mughal period. And lastly, Bengal's population is 3 times that of Punjab and has remained around the same. The kohlinoor was in control of Punjab during the Sikh Empire and it was a prosperous land. Punjab wasn't even annexed about 100 years after the rest of India esp Bengal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Muloghonto said: india is not jailing anyone who speaks out against it, it jailing Sikh terrorists and terrorist supporters from the 80s. Which is good. i 100% support Operation Blue Star. Anytime any religious fundamentalist terrorist takes over a public religious building and stockpiles weapons, they deserve to be blown to pieces. oh ok, so you're one of those simpletons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Muloghonto said: we do not have taxation figures from Ranjit Singh. So we cannot say. we have the data from the Mughals because the Mughal records survive and they were better organized. Sikh empire was a short-lived, one-man show so its understandable that they were not nearly as consolidated or as organized as a 200 year mughal empire. An educated guess would be that the numbers for Punjab didn't change much between Aurangzeb and Ranjit Singh,because it was the British that introduced irrigation in Punjab and made a big difference agriculturally. btw, where's that list of Bengali nobel prize winners in science that you kept on bragging about in other threads? Still waiting for that. Last I checked, there are ZERO bengali nobel prize winners in Science. So much for bragging about Bengali nobel prize winners in science and mocking other communities lack of nobel prize winners in science when in reality the total sum of Bengal nobel prize winners in science is a BIG FAT ZERO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 not to mention one of the world's best eye surgeons, Harminder Singh Dua who recently published findings on a new anatomical layer in the cornea, the Dua's layer. https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/news/pressreleases/2013/june/scientists-discover-new-layer-of-the-human-cornea-.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Not to forget Sohan Singh Hayreh, the guy who published seminal findings on so many areas of Ophthalmology. Concepts and knowledge which shape how Ophthalmology is practiced around the world today: https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2181788 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Or the guy who pioneered laser eye surgery, LASEK. Prof. Sunil Shah: https://www.westbournecentre.com/sunil-shah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) I guess Bhagat Singh and Uddham Singh didn't do much for India either. And the Punjabi's didn't contribute much during Indo Pak war of 1970s. What a mediocre state we are? Lol Edited July 25, 2018 by mancalledsting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Or What about Dr. Ken Nischal- co-author of the most widely used text book in Ophthalmology in the world: Kanski Clinical Ophthalmology. Not to mention a pioneer in Paediatric Corneal surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, PBN said: btw, where's that list of Bengali nobel prize winners in science that you kept on bragging about in other threads? Still waiting for that. Last I checked, there are ZERO bengali nobel prize winners in Science. So much for bragging about Bengali nobel prize winners in science and mocking other communities lack of nobel prize winners in science when in reality the total sum of Bengal nobel prize winners in science is a BIG FAT ZERO They may not have Nobel Prizes in Science to show but have produced some of the best minds in scientific fields in the modern era. Satyendra Nath Bose (Boson particle named after him) Jagdish Chandra Bose (one of the chief brains behind radio..... biophysics pioneer also) Meghnad Saha PC Mahalanobis Missing many but these are the elite ones and first 2 were unlucky not to bag Nobel. From the subcontinent apart from Tamils and maybe Punjabis (including Pakistan portion) can't think of any other region with such pedigree. If you add economics, social reforms, religion, literature, philosophy, culture, arts etc probably no one in our part of the world can match their achievements. I have many complaints about Bengalis and the direction their state is heading towards. However there is no denying that the intelligentsia Bengal threw up for a good 200 years in the 18th/19th and early-mid 20th century has been a beacon of light for all modern age Indians. Current era Bengalis are not only deluded/cowardly but also distinctly mediocre, a far cry from their great predecessors....but let us not cloud our judgement based on that. Edited July 25, 2018 by Gollum abc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Indian is a nationality - not an ethnicity, its UK's dumbness that they think they can call some people Indian when they are not Indian nationals - no one cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gollum said: They may not have Nobel Prizes in Science to show but have produced some of the best minds in scientific fields in the modern era. My post wasn't targeted at Bengalis in general but at Muloghonto was has in the past gone around bragging about the number of Bengali nobel prize winners in science while at the same time mocking other communities especially Punjabis for their lack of any nobel prize winners in the past threads. When the truth is that Punjabis actually have two nobel prize winners in science while there are none for Bengalis.. Many people take Muloghonto's false verbal diarrhea as gospel here so needed to show him some hard facts. I'm still waiting for his list.... Edited July 25, 2018 by PBN Gollum and mancalledsting 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 13 hours ago, asterix said: The Indian Sikhs You mean Indians in punjab who happen to be sikhs amoung other things like hindu as well, they are committed to India since they are Indians. The Sikhs in UK who immigrated from India are obviously UK citizens now and do not want to be identified as Indian ( what ever their reasoning behind is - like say we are fairer skinned lol that we hear from pakistani people ) the crux remains Indian is a nationality not cultural ethnicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, PBN said: My post wasn't targeted at Bengalis in general but at Muloghonto was has in the past gone around bragging about the number of Bengali nobel prize winners in science while at the same time mocking other communities especially Punjabis for their lack of any nobel prize winners in the past threads. When the truth is that Punjabis actually have two nobel prize winners in science while there are none for Bengalis.. Many people take Muloghonto's false verbal diarrhea as gospel here so needed to show him some hard facts. OK fine cool. If your grouse is only with Mulo best I stay out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, Vilander said: Indian is a nationality - not an ethnicity, its UK's dumbness that they think they can call some people Indian when they are not Indian nationals - no one cares. excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 And the only Indian to ever win an Olympic Gold Medal: Abhinav Bindra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, mancalledsting said: And the only Indian to ever win an Olympic Gold Medal: Abhinav Bindra Individual event Gold , many of our field hockey teams have won gold medals and those legendary outfits had many Punjabis. But why are you detailing achievements of Punjabis here? No doubting their achievements across various spheres of life but this thread isn't about that. You can open a separate thread for that, we may get some GK and this thread won't see any digression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancalledsting Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) re: ^ Bhai it was only in response to some who claimed Punjab to be a mediocre state. Please don't confuse this with an attempt to undermine other states. I am also aware and will happily acknowledge that Punjabis aren't the only talented people of India- I would however claim and standby that they are amongst the most talented Edited July 25, 2018 by mancalledsting Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Gollum said: They may not have Nobel Prizes in Science to show but have produced some of the best minds in scientific fields in the modern era. Satyendra Nath Bose (Boson particle named after him) Jagdish Chandra Bose (one of the chief brains behind radio..... biophysics pioneer also) Meghnad Saha PC Mahalanobis Missing many but these are the elite ones and first 2 were unlucky not to bag Nobel. From the subcontinent apart from Tamils and maybe Punjabis (including Pakistan portion) can't think of any other region with such pedigree. If you add economics, social reforms, religion, literature, philosophy, culture, arts etc probably no one in our part of the world can match their achievements. I have many complaints about Bengalis and the direction their state is heading towards. However there is no denying that the intelligentsia Bengal threw up for a good 200 years in the 18th/19th and early-mid 20th century has been a beacon of light for all modern age Indians. Current era Bengalis are not only deluded/cowardly but also distinctly mediocre, a far cry from their great predecessors....but let us not cloud our judgement based on that. Satyendra Nath Bose is probably *the* most influential Indian scientist of all times. The concept of a boson is so ubiquitous and vital in modern physics, that it is no longer capitalised. That is a much more lasting and fundamental contribution to physics than many Nobel prize-worthy works. Muloghonto and Gollum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 7 hours ago, mancalledsting said: oh ok, so you're one of those simpletons. Simpleton or not, you take over a public building with hundreds of supporters and then stockpile weapons, it makes you a terrorist. Period. Will vote a million times out of a million to take military action against such terrorists. Whatever Indian government did or did not do, does not change the fact that Bhindranwale was a terrorist and I salute the Sikh general Brar who showed more guts than the entire Sikh diaspora in Canada and Uk, choosing to do what's right and being a real patriot, unlike the minions of ISI that Uk-Canadian Khalistani supporters tend to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 3 hours ago, mancalledsting said: re: ^ Bhai it was only in response to some who claimed Punjab to be a mediocre state. Please don't confuse this with an attempt to undermine other states. I am also aware and will happily acknowledge that Punjabis aren't the only talented people of India- I would however claim and standby that they are amongst the most talented You can whine as much as you want but facts are facts. Mughals collected chauth from every Subah. So the Subahs that generated more income were the more prosperous ones and the ones that generated less were the poor ones. That much is simple logic. And yes, historically speaking, Punjab is a small player in Indian history, punching way below its weight. Until Ranjit Singh, there was not a SINGLE native, Punjabi kingdom, never mind an empire. You know who's the historical big daddy of subcontinental history ? Bihar. What Bihar had done for Indian history, culture, philosophy and global identity, rest of India combined pales into insignificance. Next in line for punching way above their weight are the Tamils, Karnataka and Maharashtra. Then, far far behind them, come the Rajputs and Bengal. Holding their own would be Gujarat, Orissa and Assam. Below par would be UP, but it's understandable because for most of its history UP has been a satellite of Bihar. You know who've done jack **** till the last 200 years, serving as nothing more than a backwards, poor border province or living under the boot of countless invaders, even before the Muslims ? Punjab. Those facts are self evident from history. And it's ironic that amongst Indians, it's the Punjabis the ho show the most racist attitude towards rest of the subcontinent. Classic 'chip on the shoulder + Johnny come lately ' syndrome. abc and mancalledsting 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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