Kohli and management have single handedly ruined team built by Dhoni

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, kira said:

Built what? Dhoni lost 14 tests in sena, you are talking as if dhoni built a team of matchwinners and kohli turned them into match losers, the "team" dhoni built was already in ruins when he left

Didn't know Pujara, Rahane and Kohli played 14 tests in SENA. Which matches are those?

 

 

Ruins? First 2 tests in England 2014 - we were up 1-0. First 2 tests in SA 2013 - we were 1-0 and SA had fight hard to draw that one. NZ lost 1-0 because of costly drop by Kohli.

 

But those were bunch of rookies who still earned accolades and respect for their performances. From there one they hit their peak and got worse. They were on upward curve and and things were improving. Not going down so fast like now.

[CG]

Some ghost built this team?

What team?We never had decent openers after Sehwag gambhir.Middle Order of Pujara,Rahane,Kohli was there on basis of their Runs in Ranji.Dhoni Can be credited for sticking with Kohli but Kohli was already gun in odis and Jadeja.

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, CG said:

What team?We never had decent openers after Sehwag gambhir.Middle Order of Pujara,Rahane,Kohli was there on basis of their Runs in Ranji.Dhoni Can be credited for sticking with Kohli but Kohli was already gun in odis and Jadeja.

Vijay wasn't decent? He scored runs everywhere.

 

And sticking with Kohli was good decision. He also kept Pujara and Rahane in squad. He didn't pick players from streets, but he settled them in the team. Considering how domestic cricket and selection of Indian team works, that's what building is for an Indian captain.

[CG]

Vijay wasn't decent? He scored runs everywhere.
 
And sticking with Kohli was good decision. He also kept Pujara and Rahane in squad. He didn't pick players from streets, but he settled them in the team. Considering how domestic cricket and selection of Indian team works, that's what building is for an Indian captain.

Pujatat,Rahane Avg 60 in Domestic They started well in international cricket.

[kira]

7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Didn't know Pujara, Rahane and Kohli played 14 tests in SENA. Which matches are those?

 

 

Ruins? First 2 tests in England 2014 - we were up 1-0. First 2 tests in SA 2013 - we were 1-0 and SA had fight hard to draw that one. NZ lost 1-0 because of costly drop by Kohli.

 

But those were bunch of rookies who still earned accolades and respect for their performances. From there one they hit their peak and got worse. They were on upward curve and and things were improving. Not going down so fast like now.

Lol first 2 test in england in 2014? What about the last 3 tests? How the fk can anyone pick these selective tests and claim dhoni built some great team, pujara anyways is a gone case, has rarely done anything outside asia, in 2014 rahane was the only guy fighting and in 2018 kohli is the only guy who is fighting, Dhoni didn't do any ehsaan by picking these players anyway because the fab 4 had retired and the spots were open, in fact given the returns we have had from players like pujara, rahane over the years, I think dhoni ruined the team by picking the wrong youngsters as these players have still not become players even after playing for 5 years

[UrmiSinhaRay]

Is Junior Tendu even in line? Saw he got a duck and a wicket in his first game or something but he's probably not even close to selection right now.
 
India seems to have this weird production line thing. First you play for the U19's, then you play domestic and go on A tours, and only when they think you have enough experience of both are you eligible to be selected. I can name 2-3 people who went with Dravid on the England Lions series that are better than Shardul but he gets into the squad because experience. 

Experience and skill matters-just look at Hardik
No matter how much talented he is, he will never be a good player under this farce of a coaching reign.

Oh, you can get into the team ASAP if you've the right connections and right backers.
Poor Saini/Siraj/Rajpoot have no known backers else they have to Rot.
People are expecting half fit to Bumrah to save us but what about this 3?
Oh Jr Tendu is Surely in the line.
Life mein ek baar toh country ke liye Blue jersey pehnega hi.
After all, he's Master Blaster ka beta.
And this is India-the World Capital of Nepotism.
And already Bollywood is in indirect charge of cricket.
So....

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[Rasgulla]

13 minutes ago, kira said:

Built what? Dhoni lost 14 tests in sena, you are talking as if dhoni built a team of matchwinners and kohli turned them into match losers, the "team" dhoni built was already in ruins when he left

We won a Test in England last time.

[kosingh]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Vijay wasn't decent? He scored runs everywhere.

 

And sticking with Kohli was good decision. He also kept Pujara and Rahane in squad. He didn't pick players from streets, but he settled them in the team. Considering how domestic cricket and selection of Indian team works, that's what building is for an Indian captain.

Vijay has played a few good innings in many countries, but overall, he has been poor outside of Asia. He averages less than 30 outside of Asia. 

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, kira said:

Lol first 2 test in england in 2014? What about the last 3 tests? How the fk can anyone pick these selective tests and claim dhoni built some great team, pujara anyways is a gone case, has rarely done anything outside asia, in 2014 rahane was the only guy fighting and in 2018 kohli is the only guy who is fighting, Dhoni didn't do any ehsaan by picking these players anyway because the fab 4 had retired and the spots were open, in fact given the returns we have had from players like pujara, rahane over the years, I think dhoni ruined the team by picking the wrong youngsters as these players have still not become players even after playing for 5 years

Where did I say he did ehsaan? So, this current performance by batsmen isn't worse by previous ones? Rahane, Kohli, Pujara all of them did well on previous tours in some countries.

 

Dhoni did what was already expected and Kohli does what's isn't expected at all.

 

Not exactly difficult to understand the point, is it?

[kira]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

Where did I say he did ehsaan? So, this current performance by batsmen isn't worse by previous ones? Rahane, Kohli, Pujara all of them did well on previous tours in some countries.

 

Dhoni did what was already expected and Kohli does what's isn't expected at all.

 

Not exactly difficult to understand the point, is it?

The point you are making is Kohli somehow ruined a great team team built by dhoni, I am saying dhoni didn't built anything, of course kohli is expected to do better than dhoni and barring this test, his team has performed way way better than dhoni's team, Kohli needs to improve a lot more and start winning now but he has ruined anything, he was given sh!t team by dhoni and he hasn't completely fixed it yet

[Trichromatic]

Just now, kira said:

The point you are making is Kohli somehow ruined a great team team built by dhoni, I am saying dhoni didn't built anything, of course kohli is expected to do better than dhoni and barring this test, his team has performed way way better than dhoni's team, Kohli needs to improve a lot more and start winning now but he has ruined anything, he was given sh!t team by dhoni and he hasn't completely fixed it yet

You just added a great team part. I didn't say that. First of all, please don't modify what I said. 

[kira]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

You just added a great team part. I didn't say that. First of all, please don't modify what I said. 

So if he didn't built a great team then what did he build? Did he build a decent team? Did he build a good team? How did Kohli ruin his team when his team has shown a lot more fight than dhoni's team ever did, barring this test of course.

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, InziRules said:

These players aren't 34-35. They've done better in previous tours. Blame has to go on the management. Is Rahane really that bad suddenly? Is Pujara suddenly a worse version of Azhar Ali? 

Exactly. If a set of players do alright at age of 25-26, then you know the right tone, environment has been set for them to grow. 

 

And if they go on to become tailenders at age of 30, which ideally is peak age of even mediocre batsmen, then you know things are really wrong. If it happens to 1 player, one still argue that player is poor. But here it is happening to whole line up.

 

Time for BCCI to step in, but unfortunately their are busy handling their own mess.

[Shunya]

12 minutes ago, kira said:

The point you are making is Kohli somehow ruined a great team team built by dhoni, I am saying dhoni didn't built anything, of course kohli is expected to do better than dhoni and barring this test, his team has performed way way better than dhoni's team, Kohli needs to improve a lot more and start winning now but he has ruined anything, he was given sh!t team by dhoni and he hasn't completely fixed it yet

We beat everyone with the same team and are no.1 thanks to the same team that dhoni gave. Ashwin, Jaddu,bhuvi, Rahane, Pujara, Kohli all of them are blooded by Dhoni and all of them have been our biggest match winners. Kohli on the other hand has turned everyone into mental midgets without blooding anyone else. There are literally zero youngsters to fall back on. No planning nothing. So many easy tours went by.

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, kira said:

So if he didn't built a great team then what did he build? Did he build a decent team? Did he build a good team? How did Kohli ruin his team when his team has shown a lot more fight than dhoni's team ever did, barring this test of course.

Yes, he built a decent team with rookies, now they are at peak but gone worse. How are these players showing more fights?

[kira]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

Yes, he built a decent team with rookies, now they are at peak but gone worse. How are these players showing more fights?

Saffer series was great to watch, we fought in every test and took all 60 wickets, the first test of this series we lost only by 31 runs, is that not fighting enough for you? Are you seriously comparing all those 1 sided affairs under dhoni with competitive matches under kohli, sure it is not a consolation, we need to starting winning too, this is the first test this year where our bowlers failed to pick all 20 wickets, under dhoni we rarely ever picked 20 wickets in a match, kohli needs to improve a lot but to compare him with dhoni and say he ruined dhoni's team is blasphemy

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, kira said:

Saffer series was great to watch, we fought in every test and took all 60 wickets, the first test of this series we lost only by 31 runs, is that not fighting enough for you? Are you seriously comparing all those 1 sided affairs under dhoni with competitive matches under kohli, sure it is not a consolation, we need to starting winning too, this is the first test this year where our bowlers failed to pick all 20 wickets, under dhoni we rarely ever picked 20 wickets in a match, kohli needs to improve a lot but to compare him with dhoni and say he ruined dhoni's team is blasphemy

We didn't fight in 2013 SA tour?

 

England

31 runs loss v drawn match

lords test 2018 v lords test 2014

 

yes formers have more fight.

[Global.Baba]

Dhoni never built a team. The last 2 guys who gave youngsters a fair a chance were Ganguly and then a few who came into the system thanks to Chappell's eccentricities and Dravid.

 

Dhoni followed the dostana system as well, Kohli has taken it to a different level. Infact this player power bs has started from Dhoni's time.

[FischerTal]

Sachin fans are now starting dhoni vs Kohli fights. 

 

 

Touche 

[kira]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

31 runs loss v drawn match

lords test 2018 v lords test 2014

 

yes formers have more fight.

31 run loss definitely had more fight, drawn matches are due to flat conditions, and why are you comparing just one match? Compare the whole saffer series + 2 tests  in australia where kohli captained, those matches were much more enjoyable than what we endured under dhoni. Dhoni ran away midway from the aussie tour, he didn't even groom a wicketkeeper to take over from him due to his insecurity