Performances of Batsmen

[harpicP]

On 12/29/2023 at 2:13 AM, rollingstoned said:

Gill and Iyer's dismissals seems to indicate that they are both still in ODI mode. Jaiswal too was being a bit too flashy in his strokeplay for an overseas debutant trying to hit on the up through covers. You look at how many of the Saf batsmen played and they were very compact. Kohli even in the 2nd innings was trying to feel for balls on the 6th stump but I won't criticize him too much for it.

That's why I hate playe LOI before a test series. What's more important. Jamodi or tests? They should be practising vs some A teams or like local leagues in first class prior to test series. 

[rollingstoned]

3 hours ago, harpicP said:

That's why I hate playe LOI before a test series. What's more important. Jamodi or tests? They should be practising vs some A teams or like local leagues in first class prior to test series. 

Lol coaching staff for this series was only retained after wc due to short notice so you get an idea of the level of preparation they had before a big tour. I'm sure they collectively decided to just wing it, something which is okay for the white ball series but not tests. 

[express bowling]

Just loved the pull shot for 6 by Sarfraz against the quickest test pacer, Mark Wood, on a zippy surface. 

 

There was a lofted drive over Wood's head and a ramp shot for 4s too.

 

Want our newbie batters to tackle high pace, steep bounce, genuine spin and true swing too. 

[Lord]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Just loved the pull shot for 6 by Sarfraz against the quickest test pacer, Mark Wood, on a zippy surface. 

 

There was a lofted drive over Wood's head and a ramp shot for 4s too.

 

Want our newbie batters to tackle high pace, steep bounce, genuine spin and true swing too. 

 

He also sweeps very well, which is rare for Indian bats. Our bats get stuck vs spinners

[Vijy]

On 3/8/2024 at 3:34 AM, Lord said:

 

He also sweeps very well, which is rare for Indian bats. Our bats get stuck vs spinners

he rotates strike well, unlike jaddu

[Vijy]

Series evaluation:

 

Jaiswal: magnificent, and perhaps the main reason for winning the series. However, his habit of throwing away his wicket seems worrisome overseas. of the 9 innings, he threw away his wicket about 50% of the time.

rohit: underwhelming and tentative first 2 tests, but looked more like his old self in last 3 tests. his powers are on the wane.

Gill: pleasantly surprised by his application. I was a harsh critic of both technique and temperament. he still has holes in the former, but has improved the latter. did little of note in the 1st test, but was very good the next 4 tests.

Jadeja: had 2 valuable innings of note where he looked compact and organized, but has looked shaky otherwise. keeps going into a shell, and making very poor batting or running decisions.

sarfaraz: looks excellent vs spin, but on tracks that do not turn a lot. on the 1 track that was closer to a genuine turner, he looked rather tentative. played pace quite well, but his unorthodox methods will be tested overseas

Jor-el (Jurel): in terms of temperament, perhaps the most impressive of the lot, even more than jaiswal. very calm and collected. displayed both sound defense and a wide range of attacking strokes.

axar: good for making 20s to 40s, but not more. his bowling is very pedestrian, and his batting should not compensate for the bowling.

ashwin: huge decline with the bat. did little of note barring a couple of 25+ scores. does not seem that interested in batting any more. should play at 9 and no higher.

kela: played well in his only test, but threw away his wicket under duress as expected.

Iyer: uninterested and unsuitable for tests. seems to favor flashy 30s instead of big scores.

kuldeep: the most improved batter, more so than even gill. went from looking like a no. 11 batter before the series to a no. 9 or even no. 8 batter. solid defense and sound temperament. should work on adding a few strokes and strike rotation.

padikkal: has a worrying tendency to stay camped on back foot, but still seems to use his long reach. not fully sold on him, but seems a decent backup batter for home conditions.

bharath & patidar: less said the better

Edited March 10, 2024 by Vijy

[express bowling]

Really liked Jurel's footwork and defense.

 

Want to see him play the cut and pull against pacers  (  it will be needed in Aus, SA and even Eng )

[express bowling]

Gill should learn to convert his 100 to 120s to 170+ and 200+ scores.

 

He is a big hitter and this should be easier than many others ( like we are seeing with Jaiswal )

 

Jaiswal's success maybe egging Gill on to score more consistently and score 100+. And this is good for the team. 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2024 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

Series evaluation:

 

Jaiswal: magnificent, and perhaps the main reason for winning the series. However, his habit of throwing away his wicket seems worrisome overseas. of the 9 innings, he threw away his wicket about 50% of the time.

rohit: underwhelming and tentative first 2 tests, but looked more like his old self in last 3 tests. his powers are on the wane.

Gill: pleasantly surprised by his application. I was a harsh critic of both technique and temperament. he still has holes in the former, but has improved the latter. did little of note in the 1st test, but was good the next 4 tests.

Jadeja: had 2 valuable innings of note where he looked compact and organized, but has looked shaky otherwise. keeps going into a shell, and making very poor batting or running decisions.

sarfaraz: looks excellent vs spin, but on tracks that do not turn a lot. on the 1 track that was closer to a genuine turner, he looked rather tentative. played pace quite well, but his unorthodox methods will be tested overseas

Jor-el (Jurel): in terms of temperament, perhaps the most impressive of the lot, even more than jaiswal. very calm and collected. displayed both sound defense and a wide range of attacking strokes.

axar: good for making 20s to 40s, but not more. his bowling is very pedestrian, and his batting should not compensate for the bowling.

ashwin: huge decline with the bat. did little of note barring a couple of 25+ scores. does not seem that interested in batting any more. should play at 9 and no higher.

kela: played well in his only test, but threw away his wicket under duress as expected.

Iyer: uninterested and unsuitable for tests. seems to favor flashy 30s instead of big scores.

kuldeep: the most improved batter, more so than even gill. went from looking like a no. 11 batter before the series to a no. 9 or even no. 8 batter. solid defense and sound temperament. should work on adding a few strokes and strike rotation.

padikkal: has a worrying tendency to stay camped on back foot, but still seems to use his long reach. not fully sold on him, but seems a decent backup batter for home conditions.

bharath & patidar: less said the better

Excellent analysis

Gill still has that loose technique which he shows in the run of  play

His lack of foot work,overly committed front foot,cemented backfoot,sideways trigger prop up just as I said , every now and then, probably with lapse in concentration

Need to shred the habit putting off the foot once the opposition is down

Killer instincts missing

[Lord]

7 hours ago, Vijy said:

he rotates strike well, unlike jaddu

 

Yes can be useful for ODIs too. Won't get stuck like Kela did in WC finals

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Yes can be useful for ODIs too. Won't get stuck like Kela did in WC finals

He has a poor List A record, interestingly enough

[Vijy]

9 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Excellent analysis

Gill still has that loose technique which he shows in the run of  play

His lack of foot work,overly committed front foot,cemented backfoot,sideways trigger prop up just as I said , every now and then, probably with lapse in concentration

Need to shred the habit putting off the foot once the opposition is down

Killer instincts missing

yeah, he is still very much a work in progress. but the way he responded after the 1st test was heartening. he needs to avoid complacency and work hard on rectifying his many technical flaws. needs to stop that front foot plonking like kohli

[express bowling]

The biggest issue of Indian test batters, in the last few years, has been the complete inability or even will to bat decently in swinging  or spinning  or  seaming conditions.

 

We can't hope to be leaders in test cricket if we are happy with being Flat tracks bullies. 

[express bowling]

We were too defensive in the first innings with the ball spinning significantly. 

 

Can't survive for long in such conditions if the mindset is so defensive. 

Edited October 25, 2024 by express bowling

[MK55]

41 minutes ago, express bowling said:

We were too defensive in the first innings with the ball spinning significantly. 

 

Can't survive for long in such conditions if the mindset is so defensive. 

They had to be more attacking in the first 15 overs. Easiest to bat then. Strategies have gone complete haywire lately. Rohit is the lowest IQ captain I’ve ever seen.

[Ultimate_Game]

When 2 of the top 4 are walking wkts thanks to seniority quota, it's bound to happen. There was bound to be a period when lower order won't save your @ss. It's happening here and showed what would've happened since the last 5 years had likes of Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar, Sundar etc. didn't get those crucial runs lower down the order.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

When 2 of the top 4 are walking wkts thanks to seniority quota, it's bound to happen. There was bound to be a period when lower order won't save your @ss. It's happening here and showed what would've happened since the last 5 years had likes of Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar, Sundar etc. didn't get those crucial runs lower down the order.

and they're the one getting most blame now

[Ultimate_Game]

37 minutes ago, Lord said:

and they're the one getting most blame now

 

They always do. Apparently they need to score runs and take wkts. Just like our bowlers get the blame for the lost decade with 0 ICC tourneys. They couldn't play one match defining innings in the knockouts and blamed bowlers when bowlers were the ones doing all the heavy-lifting.

 

This series batsmen have put up 1st innings scores of 46 and 160 but let's blame the bowlers.

[express bowling]

Apart from Jaiswal and Pant ( and hopefully Sundar ) none of our other batters have the will to fight.

[Suhaan]

On 10/25/2024 at 1:31 PM, express bowling said:

We were too defensive in the first innings with the ball spinning significantly. 

 

Can't survive for long in such conditions if the mindset is so defensive. 

We aren't fighters,i cannot remember when did we fight

We are fairweather guys,when chips are down in pressure situation exactly like here,series on the line

Everyone fails together,from seniors to youngsters

Someone should say I will bat and score a big hundred ,you just need to support me

It's not like they have to play out everyone

Despite being on top of the table for years,our guys lack selfbelief,even the seniors try to run away