Moochad Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The Guj govt should transfer some of the lions to the MP sanctuary to be introduced there. Pretty irresponsible by them in this case with not transfering some of the pop. They seem to be opening some new parks now to transfer the animals within Guj now after the news has spread. https://www.news18.com/news/india/after-23-deaths-in-20-days-gujarat-plans-2-safari-parks-to-accommodate-growing-number-of-gir-lions-1898781.html Quote Ahmedabad (Guj): In the wake of the death of 23 Asiatic lions in Gujarat's Gir forest in the last 20 days, the state government on Thursday announced setting up two safari parks near here and in Narmada district to accommodate the growing population of big cats. The government would also shift some of the lions in the upcoming parks as their population in the Gir sanctuary has gone up to 600, a minister said. "One such park would come up near the Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel's upcoming 'Statue of Unity' near Rajpipla town of Narmada district and another one near Ahmedabad," minister of state for forest Raman Patkar said at Vapi in Valsad district. ^ They should have done this a while ago I think... 11 hours ago, rkt.india said: what has this virus to do with moving lions to MP? that is a completely different issue. Virus can kill them even in MP. The virus, by virtue of it coming all the way from Tanzania to Guj, could spread to MP as well. FWIU, it is spread by other infected animals, so the lions also being in MP would not necessarily prevent further infection of the population. This is especially true b/c Guj and MP share a border and no doubt both animal and human migration happen between the states = chance of virus spreading. It doesn't look like a issue of Guj pride so much as I think they tried being oversmart with marketing: Basically Gir Forest becomes a UN recognized site with the selling point as home of the only Asiatic Lion pop, and then tourism increases... but If they are all dead then there is no point UrmiSinhaRay, zen and rkt.india 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Moochad said: The Guj govt should transfer some of the lions to the MP sanctuary to be introduced there. Pretty irresponsible by them in this case with not transfering some of the pop. They seem to be opening some new parks now to transfer the animals within Guj now after the news has spread. https://www.news18.com/news/india/after-23-deaths-in-20-days-gujarat-plans-2-safari-parks-to-accommodate-growing-number-of-gir-lions-1898781.html ^ They should have done this a while ago I think... The virus, by virtue of it coming all the way from Tanzania to Guj, could spread to MP as well. FWIU, it is spread by other infected animals, so the lions also being in MP would not necessarily prevent further infection of the population. This is especially true b/c Guj and MP share a border and no doubt both animal and human migration happen between the states = chance of virus spreading. It doesn't look like a issue of Guj pride so much as I think they tried being oversmart with marketing: Basically Gir Forest becomes a UN recognized site with the selling point as home of the only Asiatic Lion pop, and then tourism increases... but If they are all dead then there is no point virus does not come from Tanzania..it spreads from human habitation and dog feces. there are similar cases in wolves in kenyan highlands.. need a secure population in some highly secluded national park, guj simply does not have more space to do that, need some lion sanctuarys in MP, even identify other such territories in other arid semi arid locations lots in Rajastan, Karnataka, TN, Andhra.. this should be the wakeup call. Gir will still be pre eminent - just have other healthy populations. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moochad Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Vilander said: virus does not come from Tanzania..it spreads from human habitation and dog feces. there are similar cases in wolves in kenyan highlands.. need a secure population in some highly secluded national park, guj simply does not have more space to do that, need some lion sanctuarys in MP, even identify other such territories in other arid semi arid locations lots in Rajastan, Karnataka, TN, Andhra.. this should be the wakeup call. Gir will still be pre eminent - just have other healthy populations. yeah I misread the bolded... Quote The government has launched massive operations to ensure that the infection does not spread to other big cats in their only abode in Asia. According to officials, a deadly combination of Canine Distemper Virus and Protozoal infection is responsible for the death of at least 11 of 23 lions in the Gir sanctuary. The condition of three of over 36 lions currently under observation of Forest department is critical, officials said. Other lions in the sanctuary are being examined randomly to find out if they are infected by the CDV whose outbreak had killed over a thousand lions in Serengeti forest areas in Tanzania in 1990s. The mass deaths have jolted the government which has launched a number of measures including importing 300 shots of a vaccine from the US to protect the lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moochad Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 This says this virus affects many types of animals Quote Host range[edit] Distemper, or hardpad disease in canines,[14] affects animals in the families Canidae (dog, fox, wolf, Raccoon dog), Mustelidae (ferret, mink, skunk, wolverine, marten, badger, otter),[11][14] Procyonidae (raccoon, coati), Ailuridae (red panda), Ursidae (bear), Elephantidae (Asian elephant), and some primates (e.g., Japanese monkey),[11] as well as Viverridae (raccoon-like South Asian[citation needed] binturong, palm civet),[11] Hyaenidae (hyena),[citation needed] Pinnipedia (seals, walrus, sea lion, etc.),[15][9][citation needed] and large Felidae (cats,[11] though not domestic cats.[citation needed]) In a captive population of giant pandas in China (Shanxi Rare Wild Animal Rescue and Research Center), six of 22 captive pandas were infected by CDV. All but one infected panda died; the survivor had previously been vaccinated.[16] The good thing is that the vector doesn't seem to be kinds of birds or mosquitoes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Moochad said: yeah I misread the bolded... yeah its pretty sad, i saw a documentary... there was a wolf that struggles hard alone finally gets accepted in a big clan -- gets pup guard duty it was nice etc..makes progress does well..and one roughup with some farm dogs it rolls around on dog feces and dies of this crap disease in a few months. gut wrenching story, these animals have no place in the human world thats the reality. Edited October 4, 2018 by Vilander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC2011INDIA Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Country is going down the pits. Sad stuff. We are morally corrupt society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 21 hours ago, Vilander said: virus does not come from Tanzania..it spreads from human habitation and dog feces. there are similar cases in wolves in kenyan highlands.. need a secure population in some highly secluded national park, guj simply does not have more space to do that, need some lion sanctuarys in MP, even identify other such territories in other arid semi arid locations lots in Rajastan, Karnataka, TN, Andhra.. this should be the wakeup call. Gir will still be pre eminent - just have other healthy populations. do we have such highly secluded park? Can they do it in Jim Corbett national park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, rkt.india said: do we have such highly secluded park? Can they do it in Jim Corbett national park? MP is obvious choice, apparently they qualify it based on historical range, presence of large prey, and affluence of farming communities in the borders ( meaning lions will take cattle and if the headers are poor they will kill the lions off rich ones can be brought into programs and be convinced to protect the lions)etc .. the dense equatorial jungles are no place for Lions as tigers will predate them there, any and all of the semi arid to deciduous national parks in the entire belt of central india through Andhra all the way till TN etc are prime candidates. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 having said that, there is a place in Kenya i believe were Lions live in a jungle. Will research and add here, that is the only pride that lives in a jungle habitat. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 Ethiopian highland equatorial forests. https://news.mongabay.com/2012/08/king-of-the-jungle-lions-discovered-in-rainforests/ but there are no tigers there..so if there are no tigers they can survive in these areas as well. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 "The commercial interest of tourism because of which Gujarat talks about the Gujarati pride is against the provisions of the Constitution" https://scroll.in/article/898496/india-wants-to-reintroduce-cheetahs-even-as-it-is-failing-its-lions UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 10:19 PM, Vilander said: having said that, there is a place in Kenya i believe were Lions live in a jungle. Will research and add here, that is the only pride that lives in a jungle habitat. lions live in grasslands tigers live in jungles + grasslands UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, velu said: lions live in grasslands tigers live in jungles + grasslands Yup generally but there is a pride living in jungles in ethopia linked above. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Now Cubs are dying. masked as killed by rival males..lol https://www.ndtv.com/ahmedabad-news/after-death-of-23-lions-carcasses-of-3-cubs-found-near-gir-1935918 still no shame from 56 inch. Edited October 23, 2018 by Vilander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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