All Rounders do not exist.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

In last T20 there was no need for all rounders and that is why Krunal was kicked out. Dube fluked but could have been easily replaced by a frontline strike bowler.

Chahal was a front strike bowler who went for runs and dubey got 3 wkts turned the game

Thats the thing when someone performs u can it fluke and when someone doesnt u call it in abilty. Wah beta chit bhi teri pat bhi teri

Edited November 12, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

. I doubt a part time bat could bat as confidently as Manish Pandey.

Manish pandey s/r in t20 is 122

hardik 147

 

so no one on earth will take manish ahead of hardik in t20, give hardik to SRH they ll give 10 manish pandey for him

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

In last T20 there was no need for all rounders and that is why Krunal was kicked out. Dube fluked but could have been easily replaced by a frontline strike bowler.

at the end did manish pandey win u game- No

Dubey wkts changed the game.

Krunal has won us games in Aus, NZ, WI ...has been man of the series in WI

 

manish despite being specialist is not good in his job....his s/r is a joke of 122 which is why he is on bench most days ,krunal was on bench for 1 day only

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

I agree that Hardik's bowling is below par for both ODIs and T20Is.

 

But high SR big hitting batsmen like Pandya are ideal for No.6 and No.7 of both T20Is and ODIs. 

that i think is harsh......he gets an old ball and we all knw how tough it is in LOI with old ball u need bowlers like bumrah , starc to have impact with that kind of old ball

 

To his credit his eco is 5.5 in ODI which is quite good these days specially for 5th bowler and he gives a wkt every game. He came in as raw product keeping that in mind he has done well. He is improving his bowling every season.....he has developed cutters n all now and wud take more wkts when he gets a new ball which isnt possible

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

that i think is harsh......he gets an old ball and we all knw how tough it is in LOI with old ball u need bowlers like bumrah , starc to have impact with that kind of old ball

 

To his credit his eco is 5.5 in ODI which is quite good these days specially for 5th bowler and he gives a wkt every game. He came in as raw product keeping that in mind he has done well. He is improving his bowling every season.....he has developed cutters n all now and wud take more wkts when he gets a new ball which isnt possible

 

When someone averages 40.7 in ODIs after 54 matches then it is below par bowling.

 

Hardik does not have the skill sets of a specialist bowler yet.

 

Can he improve as a bowler  ?  ...  Yes

 

Do I want him to play LOIs ?  ... a big yes, because of his his high SR batting ability and ability to pass off as a 5th bowler

 

But is a a good ODI bowler yet ... No.  Hardik being passed off as the 3rd seamer is weakening our pace bowling in SENA. 

 

I would prefer in SENA ODIs 

6)  Hardik

7)  Jadeja / Axar

8)  Kuldeep

9)  Bhuvi

10)  Shami

11)  Bumrah

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

When someone averages 40.7 in ODIs after 54 matches then it is below par bowling.

ben stokes avg 41.7 ....he is considered world best seaming all rounder and more experienced 

Hardik plays most his games in India....no matter how patta england is still better to bowl for seamers . 

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Hardik does not have the skill sets of a specialist bowler yet.

he doesnt have to be main bowler ....he has to be 5th bowler. He has done well as a 5th bowler ....if we expect result from him as main bowler then lets give him also new ball 

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Can he improve as a bowler  ?  ...  Yes

yes 

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But is a a good ODI bowler yet ... No.  Hardik being passed off as the 3rd seamer is weakening our pace bowling in SENA. 

It does but play 3 seamers + spinner + hardik 

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I would prefer in SENA ODIs 

6)  Hardik

7)  Jadeja / Axar

8)  Kuldeep

9)  Bhuvi

10)  Shami

11)  Bumrah

 

kuldeep has been offcolor for an year so lets keep our options open....chahal has been consistent for long now as of chahal is ahead for me then kuldeep

Edited November 12, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ben stokes avg 41.7 ....he is considered world best seaming all rounder and more experienced 

Hardik plays most his games in India....no matter how patta england is still better to bowl for seamers . 

 

Ben Stokes is not a good LOI bowler at all. He is there in LOIs primarily for his batting.

 

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he doesnt have to be main bowler ....he has to be 5th bowler. He has done well as a 5th bowler

 

That's ok. 

 

But one cannot praise the bowling of such a 5th bowler from a bowling viewpoint.  He is being bowled 10 overs just because the rules require a 5th bowling option.

 

 

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....if we expect result from him as main bowler then lets give him also new ball 

 

He does not have either the accuracy or the pace or the moving ability of a new ball bowler 

 

The team does not exist to give Pandya all the chances that he may wish for.

 

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kuldeep has been offcolor for an year so lets keep our options open....chahal has been consistent for long now as of chahal is ahead for me then kuldeep

 

Can't drop a high class bowler because he has been off colour in a few international matches. IPL performances hardly matter here.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

He does not have either the accuracy or the pace or the moving ability of a new ball bowler 

His pace is fine n he showed in his debut game in dharmashala n england 3rd that he can do well in helpful condition but yes on flat decks he ll be trouble as well . He may not be consistent but that becoz he doesnt do that role every day. 

 

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Can't drop a high class bowler because he has been off colour in a few international matches. IPL performances hardly matter here.

His case is also not just about confidence its also about putting a lot more body in action which is something diff from all the years he has been doing so it takes time....so its not wrong in his case to play a bit of domestic till the time he gets use to his new habbits . Im all up for backing a player but kuldeep case is also a lil diff....at this point i wnt like him sitting on bench with these altercations. The more he plays the more he ll get use to it . So in between we are trying new players in t20 he can play ranji n bowl long spells.....t20 Wc is still one year away . Also it will give him time to work on his counter plan since batsman have started to figure him out. This is the phase where a bowlers comes with counter plan n gets better. 

[maniac]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ben stokes avg 41.7 ....he is considered world best seaming all rounder and more experienced 

Hardik plays most his games in India....no matter how patta england is still better to bowl for seamers . 

he doesnt have to be main bowler ....he has to be 5th bowler. He has done well as a 5th bowler ....if we expect result from him as main bowler then lets give him also new ball 

yes 

It does but play 3 seamers + spinner + hardik 

kuldeep has been offcolor for an year so lets keep our options open....chahal has been consistent for long now as of chahal is ahead for me then kuldeep

Again the Ben Stokes comparison  Ben Stokes even if his shoulder gets injured and doctor advices not to bowl for 6 months, will still be the first name in the English X1. The fact that he is more than a decent bowler is a huge bonus. The other Dube type Pandya type allrounders you back cannot.
 

That’s the difference between allrounder and bits and pieces.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

Again the Ben Stokes comparison  Ben Stokes even if his shoulder gets injured and doctor advices not to bowl for 6 months, will still be the first name in the English X1. The fact that he is more than a decent bowler is a huge bonus. The other Dube type Pandya type allrounders you back cannot.
 

 u think pandya will not get into XI easily ...our Tm is waiting for him to get fit

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That’s the difference between allrounder and bits and pieces.

• yet pandya bowling avg is better in ODI
• Batting n bowlingh Record both better in t20 
• bowling avg better in test cricket...batting not far

 

So why is stokes perfomances not far from these bits n pieces....pandya is competing n defeating quite well against him

 

 better check records then falling for names.....like how u fell for names n gave poor xamples for test openers

 

every all rounder is bits n pieces when they start

Same ben stokes was also struggling at start of his career

Edited November 12, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I agree that Hardik's bowling is below par for both ODIs and T20Is.

 

But high SR big hitting batsmen like Pandya are ideal for No.6 and No.7 of both T20Is and ODIs. 

A proper batsman will do more.

[Khota]

9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Chahal was a front strike bowler who went for runs and dubey got 3 wkts turned the game

Thats the thing when someone performs u can it fluke and when someone doesnt u call it in abilty. Wah beta chit bhi teri pat bhi teri

They were targetting Dube. If you think Dube is a proper bowler then this discussion cannot carry on.

[Khota]

9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Manish pandey s/r in t20 is 122

hardik 147

 

so no one on earth will take manish ahead of hardik in t20, give hardik to SRH they ll give 10 manish pandey for him

That is a opinion not a fact. 

[express bowling]

50 minutes ago, Khota said:

A proper batsman will do more.

 

Which proper Indian batsman has Hardik's strike  of 116 in ODIs ?  

 

In India's ODI history,  Hardik has the highest SR among Indian batters with 500+ runs.

Edited November 13, 2019 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 hours ago, Khota said:

They were targetting Dube. If you think Dube is a proper bowler then this discussion cannot carry on.

no he isnt a proper bowler he is a batsman who can bowl....they targeted chahal also n he went for runs

 

7 hours ago, Khota said:

That is a opinion not a fact. 

ho gayi bolti band......tum number do wo perfomance dusre number de wo opinion 

 

Those are numbers and they are fact not opinion. Look at the impact hardik has had for mumbai indian vs manish pandey for SRH huge diff....

I bet put them in auction n see who gets bought for how much ......every team will go after hardik 

 

7 hours ago, Khota said:

A proper batsman will do more.

still they dont.....why do u think manish pandey is always sitting on bench n hardik is a permanent in the side

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, Khota said:

They were targetting Dube. If you think Dube is a proper bowler then this discussion cannot carry on.

But proper bowler went for 43, he got 3 wickets.

[Khota]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

no he isnt a proper bowler he is a batsman who can bowl....they targeted chahal also n he went for runs

 

ho gayi bolti band......tum number do wo perfomance dusre number de wo opinion 

 

Those are numbers and they are fact not opinion. Look at the impact hardik has had for mumbai indian vs manish pandey for SRH huge diff....

I bet put them in auction n see who gets bought for how much ......every team will go after hardik 

 

still they dont.....why do u think manish pandey is always sitting on bench n hardik is a permanent in the side

Hardik is far from permanent in the side. He may luck his way T20 but tests it would be difficult. A proper batsman has more variety of shots, can hit on all parts of the field and can play spin and pace equally well. A bits and pieced cannot.

[Khota]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

But proper bowler went for 43, he got 3 wickets.

A proper bowler will have bad days, a part timer will have more bad days than good days.

 

Let us not forget the most important fact, the game was decided by a frontline strike bowler and not  a trundler.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Khota

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Hardik is far from permanent in the side. He may luck his way T20 but tests it would be difficult.

Oh hardik is permanent is in t20 n odi for sure, test place depends on team combinations due to which even vihari has to sit out despite making runs

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A proper batsman has more variety of shots, can hit on all parts of the field and can play spin and pace equally well. A bits and pieced cannot.

Yet hardik has the highest s/r n no one even comes close. 

 

Hardik is a better player of spin then manish pandey, rahane

 

Hardik is a better player of pace bowling then rayudu n raina

 

u hve this myths in ur head go n checks matches, records.....myth wud be busted then u can shout at computer screen thats its an opinion

 

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

A proper bowler will have bad days, a part timer will have more bad days than good days.

 

Let us not forget the most important fact, the game was decided by a frontline strike bowler and not  a trundler.

 

Like wise a hitter can do the job of hitting in lower order more consistently then top order batsman, lower hitter hitting is a specialist job. There is a reason IPL franchise pay so much money for guys like russell n pandya 

Which is why ODI gr8s like rohit n kohli also struggled their as their avg 12 n 14 at that position. Even youngsters like gill n samson has failed in lower order in IPL