Can Alzarri Joseph reignite the West Indian legacy of fast bowling greats

[rkt.india]

15 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

You are wasting your time , people on here think today's Indian bowlers put the fear of death into batsmen 

Stupid post. Fear of death? Yeah 135 kph from Sean abbott killed a cricketer with all the safety equipment. Imagine without all those gears, even 130 kph would feel like 160. In every sports, athletes have gotten better and you want people to believe fast bowlerd today have gotten worse with advanced scientific training training. And this is just a game, not a war where you want to put fear into batsman or try to kill them. Stupidity of the highest order.

[AuxiliA]

17 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

You are wasting your time , people on here think today's Indian bowlers put the fear of death into batsmen 

 

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Stupid post. Fear of death? Yeah 135 kph from Sean abbott killed a cricketer with all the safety equipment. Imagine without all those gears, even 130 kph would feel like 160. In every sports, athletes have gotten better and you want people to believe fast bowlerd today have gotten worse with advanced scientific training training. And this is just a game, not a war where you want to put fear into batsman or try to kill them. Stupidity of the highest order.

It's so hypocritical how some people deride the averages of today's batsmen on account of bigger bats, flat pitches and 'lack' of great bowlers. But do not apply the same logic to the 'legendary' bowlers of the past, who most definitely benefitted from poor safety equipments, smaller bats and rampant ball tampering. 

 

Not to mention athletes in almost all sports have gotten better physically and the game has become more professional. 

[Tattieboy]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Stupid post. Fear of death? Yeah 135 kph from Sean abbott killed a cricketer with all the safety equipment. Imagine without all those gears, even 130 kph would feel like 160. In every sports, athletes have gotten better and you want people to believe fast bowlerd today have gotten worse with advanced scientific training training. And this is just a game, not a war where you want to put fear into batsman or try to kill them. Stupidity of the highest order.

I don't have to imagine , I have done it . 

Now as you sit on you chair , let me tell you when you stand 22 yards away from someone who is bowling 90mph their is fear a lot of  fear especially when there are 4 of them !! They don't deliberately mean to cause injury but so be if it happens 

No one since has got close to the great WI great fast bowlers . 

The stupidity is yours, a non cricketer imagining it's all just fluffy , nice to see you , how are your mother and father cricket !!!

Btw you didn't answer my question of if you had ever seen the WI greats of the 70s 80s !!

[rkt.india]

48 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

I don't have to imagine , I have done it . 

Now as you sit on you chair , let me tell you when you stand 22 yards away from someone who is bowling 90mph their is fear a lot of  fear especially when there are 4 of them !! They don't deliberately mean to cause injury but so be if it happens 

No one since has got close to the great WI great fast bowlers . 

The stupidity is yours, a non cricketer imagining it's all just fluffy , nice to see you , how are your mother and father cricket !!!

Btw you didn't answer my question of if you had ever seen the WI greats of the 70s 80s !!

So you mean to say today's bowlers don't bowl 90 mph and only west Indians in 80s did that scared the batsmen for life? It's not pace, it's the lack of safety gears created the fear. 

[express bowling]

On 4/7/2019 at 5:54 PM, Tattieboy said:

You are wasting your time , people on here think today's Indian bowlers put the fear of death into batsmen 

 

With the kind of safety equipments available nowadays, coupled with the 2-bouncer rule, no pacer of any country is putting the fear of death into batsmen these days.

 

In the 1970s and 1980s ... the quality of safety gear was far inferior to what it is today. Add to that poor quality bats ... the unlimited bouncer rule till the mid 1980s. These factors contributed a lot to creating a fear psychosis against the quicker pacers of that era who could bowl good bouncers.

 

These factors also encouraged the quicker pacers of that era to adopt a bodyline approach as it helped them get wickets and win matches.

 

In the just concluded test series featuring India and Australia in Australia ... which we won 2 - 1 in 2018-19  ... Bumrah and Shami bowled a barrage of bouncers and hit the Aussie batters on the head and body atleast 25 to 30 times ... 2 or 3 batters had to be sent to hospitals to get scans done ... Bumrah bowled upto 95 mph and Shami was hovering around 90 mph in many spells.

 

Our quicks displayed a similar hostility in South Africa in 2018. A bouncer from Bumrah hit Dean Elgar on the head and he refused to play further. Play was suspended for the day.  And our quicks dealt lots of other head and body blows in that series too.

 

Just imagine the fear they would have created if there were no helmets ... or poor helmets ... or just skull caps ... or no visors ... or batters who felt uncomfortable in helmets because they did not grow up using them ... like it was in the 70s and early 80s.

 

The WI quicks of the early 80s were mighty fine bowlers.  I have watched them live. And I have a lot of respect for them. But they did benefit from the low quality safety equipments of that era and the unlimited bouncer rule. There is no denying that.

 

 

Edited April 12, 2019 by express bowling

[express bowling]

On 4/8/2019 at 11:20 AM, AuxiliA said:

 

It's so hypocritical how some people deride the averages of today's batsmen on account of bigger bats, flat pitches and 'lack' of great bowlers. But do not apply the same logic to the 'legendary' bowlers of the past, who most definitely benefitted from poor safety equipments, smaller bats and rampant ball tampering. 

 

Not to mention athletes in almost all sports have gotten better physically and the game has become more professional. 

 

 

Agree strongly with all your points.

Edited April 9, 2019 by express bowling

[Straight Drive]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

With the kind of safety equipment available nowadays coupled with the 2-bouncer rule, no pacer of any country is putting the fear of death into batsmen these days.

 

In the 1970s and 1980s ... the quality of safety gear was far inferior to what it is today. Add to that poor quality bats ... the unlimited bouncer rule till the mid 1980s. These factors contributed a lot to creating a fear psychosis against the quicker pacers of that era who could bowl good bouncers.

 

These factors also encouraged the quicker pacers of that era to adopt a bodyline approach as it helped them get wickets and win matches.

 

In the just concluded test series featuring India and Australia in Australia ... which we won 2 - 1 in 2018-19  ... Bumrah and Shami bowled a barrage of bouncers and hit the Aussie batters on the head and body atleast 25 to 30 times ... 2 or 3 batters had to be sent to hospitals to get scans done ... Bumrah bowled upto 95 mph and Shami was hovering around 90 mph in many spells.

 

Our quicks displayed a similar hostility in South Africa in 2018. A bouncer from Bumrah hit Dean Elgar on the head and he refused to play further. Play was suspended for the day.  And our quicks dealt lots of other head and body blows in that series too.

 

Just imagine the fear they would have created if there were no helmets ... or poor helmets ... or just skull caps ... or no visors ... or batters who felt uncomfortable in helmets because they did not grow up using them ... like it was in the 70s and early 80s.

 

The WI quicks of the early 80s were mighty fine bowlers.  I have watched them live. And I have a lot of respect for them. But they did benefit from the low quality safety equipments of that era and the unlimited bouncer rule. There is no denying that.

 

 

It is indeed true that the protective gear made the difference.

 

However some bowlers of those times did not care that batsmen were injured and blood was flowing. There is a significant difference in this aspect now. Bowlers did not care to bowl bodyline until it was banned. Today they are more tempered and considerate about the batsman's well being.

 

The bowlers of contemporary era would also have caused trouble. Imagine Steyn, Donald, Bumrah, Bond, Ntini, Akhtar, Ambrose, Walsh bowling to batsmen without protective gear. They would surely have sent some batsmen to hospitals with broken bones.

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

 

However some bowlers of those times did not care that batsmen were injured and blood was flowing. There is a significant difference in this aspect now. Bowlers did not care to bowl bodyline until it was banned. Today they are more tempered and considerate about the batsman's well being.

 

 

Some of it is due to the presence of so many cameras and the hyperactive social media.

 

Everyone wants to come across as caring these days.   The reactions of players in non televised matches is often different.

 

It is also true that people on an average have become gentler these days as material comforts have increased in life.

[Wall2018]

will get sorted out this IPL itself...