zen Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: Topic is beat the test 11 and not the test 12..So my team stays My 12 man will not perform in your 11 (also there are a bunch of right handers in the top 5 .... Lara has a good record in SL .... Sobers, who hit 6 6s of a spinner and 365* against Pak quickly as he had to go to the race iirc, and Gilly play attacking cric) Edited January 12, 2020 by zen Link to comment
kohli Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Heyden smith ponting sachin Kohli kallis sanga(wk) akram steyn mcgrath bedi swann(12 player) Link to comment
zen Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, kohli said: Heyden smith ponting sachin Kohli kallis sanga(wk) akram steyn mcgrath bedi swann(12 player) That appears to be a good effort! .... may be a couple of spots can be questioned/improved Edited January 12, 2020 by zen Link to comment
velu Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 23 hours ago, zen said: Game Rules: * pick a team to beat the 11 (+ 12th man) below * you cannot pick anyone from the 11 + 12th man in the OP (as the team to beat it should be different) * you can pick only 11 players + 12th man (so no X/Y) * Players should have either picked up 100 wkts or scored 2,000 runs Test 11 Gavaskar Viv Richards (avgs around 60 or more as a top order batsman) Bradman Lara Smith Sobers Gilchrist Hadlee Marshall Warne Ambrose 12th man: Murali (so can be played as per conditions/requirements) any padsosi team + padosi umpire will beat this team.. also any aussie team + aussie umpires Link to comment
zen Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, velu said: any padsosi team + padosi umpire will beat this team.. also any aussie team + aussie umpires That’s 13 players though (cheating) velu 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) del Edited April 3, 2020 by zen Link to comment
First class Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 22 hours ago, zen said: Not bad! Notes: Imran Khan at 6 appears to be too high for him in a world 11 esp. as we know he did not bat and bowl equally well in the same period. His batting improved once his bowling lost some teeth. Usually, he can be picked as a bowler, with his batting an added advantage. And with Marsh at 7, batting appears to lack depth, esp when the OP 11 has Bradman, which is like playing two batsman. Also Sobers at his peak could be like 1.25-1.30 batsman (Avg 65 in the 58-73 period over 75 tests) For WK, you could also consider Flower, who has a great test record (avg 52) or Sangakara (Avg 57), if you want to make him keep There are more penetrating bowlers than Akram for e.g. in tests Link unless you want a left arm option. But in test cricket, you want the better bowlers than variety There are likes of Chappell (Avg 54) as well who are brilliant vs fast bowling. G Pollock (avg 61) is an option as well and can be tried as an opener Specialists are needed in test, Marsh might not be as good a batsman as Sang, Dhoni , Knott or Flower but he has been in my onion the best wicket keeper ever, closely followed by his countryman Ia Healey. You need THE best keeper against the likes of Lillee, Akram and Imran. Imran Always was a solid batsman and you need an allrounder at # 6 and not another batsman. I always believe Waqar , at his peak was more threatening bowler than Akram but with three front line fastmen already in, you need the best left arm pacer to play the game ever in the team. I considered Sydney Barne also. Link to comment
First class Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 14 hours ago, kohli said: Heyden smith ponting sachin Kohli kallis sanga(wk) akram steyn mcgrath bedi swann(12 player) Smith is not ATG, Kohli, not in tests, yet . Certainly you can have better spinners than Bedi and Swann. . Link to comment
zen Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, First class said: Specialists are needed in test, Marsh might not be as good a batsman as Sang, Dhoni , Knott or Flower but he has been in my onion the best wicket keeper ever, closely followed by his countryman Ia Healey. You need THE best keeper against the likes of Lillee, Akram and Imran. Imran Always was a solid batsman and you need an allrounder at # 6 and not another batsman. I always believe Waqar , at his peak was more threatening bowler than Akram but with three front line fastmen already in, you need the best left arm pacer to play the game ever in the team. I considered Sydney Barne also. There is not a huge difference in WK skills among top WKs. In your team, I would bring in someone like Flower at 6 in place of Marsh, who is at 7. Imran can move down to 7 and that would not sacrifice on keeping skills but add some depth to batting .... Another option is to play the 12th man Kallis, who can bowl if required, in place of someone like Akram. In that way you still have Lillee-McGrath-Imran-Kumble attack, while adding more depth to batting. Edited January 12, 2020 by zen Link to comment
First class Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, zen said: There is not a huge difference in WK skills among top WKs. In your team, I would bring in someone like Flower at 6 in place of Marsh, who is at 7. Imran can move down to 7 and that would not sacrifice on keeping skills but add depth to batting .... Another option is to play the 12th man Kallis, who can bowl if required, in place of someone like Akram. In that way you still have Lillee-McGrath-Imran-Kumble attack, while adding more depth to batting. I thought about that but wanted an aggressive team , one to win , not to draw. there was nothing special about Flower's keeping, March was outstanding. Kallis was a containment bowler, no like Akram. Link to comment
zen Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, First class said: I thought about that but wanted an aggressive team , one to win , not to draw. there was nothing special about Flower's keeping, March was outstanding. Kallis was a containment bowler, no like Akram. Flower was effective. For e.g. Marsh and Healy could be a better WKs than Gilly, but Gilly would be picked as he adds more value to the team .... You have 4 good bowlers. Kallis would be there to not bowl but support the 4 bowlers if required, while adding much needed depth to the batting But at the end of the day, you should be happy with your team! I am just trying to understand the selection process Edited January 12, 2020 by zen Link to comment
First class Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 But I enjoyed the discussion and agree, to some extend, to your points. zen 1 Link to comment
kohli Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 hours ago, First class said: Smith is not ATG, Kohli, not in tests, yet . Certainly you can have better spinners than Bedi and Swann. . Murli & wrne in op team, so I can’t choose them Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1. Shakoor Rana 2. Khizer Hyatt As the friendly umpires. The rest immaterial. Even FC experience not essential. This team will defeat the Team in OP in every test. Suhaan, zen and Trichromatic 3 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 From those i watched: For pace friendly wickets Boycott Grenidge Sangakarra (wk) Sachin Kohli Steve Waugh (C) Kapil Dev Jeff Thomson Dennis Lillee Marshall Holding Five pace attack - Two great bowling pairs . The pair of Thomson and Lillee is the deadliest and most effective pace duo i have seen bowl in tandem. The other pair of Holding and Marshall was equally destrcutive. Kapil Dev, the most natural cricketer ever when his batting and bowling technique is considered, a long lasting bowler and India's highest test wicket taker amongst pacers is a perfect foil bowling with his swing on pace friendly wickets. Boycott can grind and hold one end. Grendige too was well equipped having faced West Indian greats of those times in nets and other prominent pacers of the era. Sanga plays a dual role of being a wicket-keeper and batsman who was very suceesful in tests at No. 3. After the opening pair of Boycott and Grendige along with Sanga have seen of the pace attack, Sanga, Sachin and Kohli are the best players of spin to milk spinners for runs. Waugh is a perfect choice for cpatain and a crisis man although his batting would not be required much. Kapil Dev, one of the worlds best ATG ever can play his natural agressive batting or launch a counter attack irrespective of the conditions. Link to comment
zen Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: From those i watched: For pace friendly wickets Boycott Grenidge Sangakarra (wk) Sachin Kohli Steve Waugh (C) Kapil Dev Jeff Thomson Dennis Lillee Marshall Holding Five pace attack - Two great bowling pairs . The pair of Thomson and Lillee is the deadliest and most effective pace duo i have seen bowl in tandem. The other pair of Holding and Marshall was equally destrcutive. Kapil Dev, the most natural cricketer ever when his batting and bowling technique is considered, a long lasting bowler and India's highest test wicket taker amongst pacers is a perfect foil bowling with his swing on pace friendly wickets. Boycott can grind and hold one end. Grendige too was well equipped having faced West Indian greats of those times in nets and other prominent pacers of the era. Sanga plays a dual role of being a wicket-keeper and batsman who was very suceesful in tests at No. 3. After the opening pair of Boycott and Grendige along with Sanga have seen of the pace attack, Sanga, Sachin and Kohli are the best players of spin to milk spinners for runs. Waugh is a perfect choice for cpatain and a crisis man although his batting would not be required much. Kapil Dev, one of the worlds best ATG ever can play his natural agressive batting or launch a counter attack irrespective of the conditions. can't pick marshall as he is in the original team (read OP) PS In an Aus AT11, McGrath would be picked over Thomson more often than not. And of course there are bowlers like Steyn, Donald, etc. Edited January 13, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 From those i watched: For spin friendly wickets Boycott Sehwag Sangakarra (wk + cap ) Sachin Kohli Javed Miandad Prasanna Garner Chandrasekhar Marshall Bedi Worlds best spin attack ever - Prasanna (Offie), Chandra (leggie) and Bedi (SLA) The worlds best spin attack ever needs no spin friendly wickets. A spin friendly wicket would be a luxury for this trio. There is enough variety as well. With 3 spinners I would pick Garner to hit the deck hard on the wickets which assist spin and would offer little assistance to pacers. Delviering the ball from height of almost 11 feet, he would be able to extract more bounce on liefelss wickets for pacers. With Marshall he forms the pace bowling attack of my 11. On a spin friendly wicket, the opposition spinner Warne can be milked for runs by the great players of spin like Sanga, Sachin, Kohli,Miandad and Laxman. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: From those i watched: For pace friendly wickets Boycott Grenidge Sangakarra (wk) Sachin Kohli Steve Waugh (C) Kapil Dev Jeff Thomson Dennis Lillee Marshall Holding Five pace attack - Two great bowling pairs . The pair of Thomson and Lillee is the deadliest and most effective pace duo i have seen bowl in tandem. The other pair of Holding and Marshall was equally destrcutive. Kapil Dev, the most natural cricketer ever when his batting and bowling technique is considered, a long lasting bowler and India's highest test wicket taker amongst pacers is a perfect foil bowling with his swing on pace friendly wickets. Boycott can grind and hold one end. Grendige too was well equipped having faced West Indian greats of those times in nets and other prominent pacers of the era. Sanga plays a dual role of being a wicket-keeper and batsman who was very suceesful in tests at No. 3. After the opening pair of Boycott and Grendige along with Sanga have seen of the pace attack, Sanga, Sachin and Kohli are the best players of spin to milk spinners for runs. Waugh is a perfect choice for cpatain and a crisis man although his batting would not be required much. Kapil Dev, one of the worlds best ATG ever can play his natural agressive batting or launch a counter attack irrespective of the conditions. As Marshall is in your team, i am replacing Marshall with Garner. Boycott Grenidge Sangakarra (wk) Sachin Kohli Steve Waugh (C) Kapil Dev Jeff Thomson Dennis Lillee Garner Holding zen 1 Link to comment
zen Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Will give it a shot Greenidge - Caribbean flair. 4 200s Sehwag - T20s in tests. 6 200s (and can bowl off spin too) Ponting - looks to take the initiative away from the other team. brilliant at his peak Sachin - most conditions batsman G Chappell - superb player of fast bowling S Waugh - fighting spirit (and can bowl too) ABDV - 360 degrees genius. will double as the keeper Steyn - swing Lillee - complete bowler Donald - pace and those missile like yorkers Chandra - mystery spinner 12th man Kallis - AR. ideally would be in the playing 11 but lost out to relatively more aggressive players Edited April 3, 2020 by zen Link to comment
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