Never believed Kohli At 4 is the right idea

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

wasnt he the highest scored in CT 2013 final

 

A T20 game? Yes I remember this point being forgotten omitted quite often, in the meantime do you remember his scores in WC 6 KO innings?

 

Also just so we're clear CT<<<<<<<WC as far as I'm concerned, not to mention the pressure/expectations/prestige/history is incomparable.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, R!TTER said:

A T20 game? Yes I remember this point being forgotten omitted quite often, in the meantime do you remember his scores in WC 6 KO innings?

reduced to t20 but wasnt it crunch game

 

Just now, R!TTER said:

Also just so we're clear CT<<<<<<<WC as far as I'm concerned, not to mention the pressure/expectations/prestige/history is incomparable.

so hows has it been due to his position

he batted at 4 in WC 2011 final got 35 only

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

timily promotion is fine but think about other guy who wud be confused...he aint same as kohli settled 

Kohli's

Last 7 Odi innings while batting at No.4

9, 4, 3*, 11, 12, 7, 16

 

isnt happening off lately, n i dont want our best batsman with these numbers 

its same with everyone 

smith didnt look as effective at 4 either in Wc

Ponting also in later career went to 4 n wasnt as impactful 

They tried same with tendulkar not as effective on 4

neither was ganguly as effective at 3

 

he is ur best player play him where he became best. He is part of team and he makes u win 

Those are random numbers. Avgs also depend upon form and stage that a batsman is in.
 

Ganguly and Tendulkar are MO batsmen (they do bat lower down in tests). Ponting later on wasn’t the same batsman. Opening in LOIs is a good spot so averages can be higher for openers (which is why these guys line up to open in ODIs and drop down in tests)

Kohli batting at #3/4 should be the least of our worries. It should be based on what helps the team more. I am neutral on this 

[R!TTER]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

reduced to t20 but wasnt it crunch game

It was, so was the CT 2017 final~ remember that?

 

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he batted at 4 in WC 2011 final got 35 only

You're clearly ignoring a pattern here, a mediocre score (albeit an important partnership) but not much else especially when he was the bedrock in the rest of the games ~ WC 2015, CT 2017, CT 2019 & failing each time in crunch situations.

 

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so hows has it been due to his position

Not sure what your point is? His last good (OK) score in a WC KO was at 4 whilst he has flopped horrendously at 3, do you want it in bold? His batting at 3 hasn't helped India in any of the games where he was needed, the games you like to remind us of namely (a) 2011 final was won by GG & MSD (b) bowlers in CT 2013 final (c) RGS in 2015 QF (d) 2017 CT SF also won on the back of our bowling.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

Not sure what your point is? His last good (OK) score in a WC KO was at 4 whilst he has flopped horrendously at 3, do you want it in bold? His batting at 3 hasn't helped India in any of the games where he was needed, the games you like to remind us of namely (a) 2011 final was won by GG & MSD (b) bowlers in CT 2013 final (c) RGS in 2015 QF (d) 2017 CT SF also won on the back of our bowling.

in crunch games even Rohit n Dhawan batting hasnt worked will u change their position to 

[RajBan]

I am not able to understand why Iyer can't be backed at 4. He has a terrific start, we need to give him time to cement his place or discard him before reasonable number of failures. Kohli playing at number 4 is not the best idea and trying to create more problems than solutions. The point is that Kohli needs to show some brains and decide who among Dhawan and Rahul he wants to play. Dhawan average of 43 with a modest strike rate is no longer the benchmark value anymore. It was few years back but the recent trend of 330-350 being a chaseable target and crop of openers who can strike really hard at a healthy average comparable to Dhawan's has really created a need for an upgrade. It could be Rahul, Mayank or Gill but playing Dhawan is only going to take us to a dead end. 42-45 was a great average during Ganguly-Sachin days with 300 being a winnable target. That is not the benchmark score any more, so that means you need more batsmen in your team who can average near 50 at a high strike rate.

Edited January 14, 2020 by RajBan

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, RajBan said:

I am not able to understand why Iyer can't be backed at 4. He has a terrific start, we need to give him time to cement his place. Kohli playing at number 4 is not the best idea and trying to create more problems than solutions. 

Yup same here if TM thinks iyer is good and many here thought to he was good then why does everyone want kohli now at 4. Iyer has done nothing to be dropped or change his position.

Who ever u pick show faith in him.

[cowboysfan]

i dont think much of Iyer,frankly he cant bat against good pace bowling.until we include young players like Shaw and Gill this team is not good enough as England and australia right now.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, cowboysfan said:

i dont think much of Iyer,frankly he cant bat against good pace bowling.until we include young players like Shaw and Gill this team is not good enough as England and australia right now.

neither do I but thats ur n my personal opinion which can be wrong

He needs to backed irrespective of our opinion if TM thinks he is the guy or anyone..... TM needs to identify the player n back him cant play musical chairs

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

yea we tried this last time in 2015 Ind-Sa series to Adjust rahane and it didnt work , kohli went to 3 and scored a 100 immediately 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Virat Kohli has an average of 55.21 batting at No. 4.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

When did he say this? This is from the post-match presentation:
 

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We've had this discussion in the past. Because of the way KL has batted, we have tried to have him bat up in the lineup. We might have to think about this. Every now and then, it's about putting people up there and testing them. People need to relax and not panic. Today was one of the days it didn't come off.

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by TNAmarkFromIndia

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Virat Kohli has an average of 55.21 batting at No. 4.

a lot due to coz at that time he was new , now he is settled at 3

bring gill also n make him bat at 4 he ll do well at 4 but once he sets at 3 it wud be tough for him to

 

look at his recent scores...in 7 games hasnt even crossed 15....more so he looks hassled when he comes at 4 n not much time is left. We tried this in 2015 Ind-SA series it didnt work, 2015 Cb series it didnt work 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

When did he say this? This is from the post-match presentation:
 

 

i dnt knw i read it....im just reading now on cricinfo what he actually said 

 

2 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

We might have to think about this

but this may be the sign KL will be dropped next game

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

a lot due to coz at that time he was new , now he is settled at 3

bring gill also n make him bat at 4 he ll do well at 4 but once he sets at 3 it wud be tough for him to

He played well at that position because he was new? What logic is this? How did Rishabh Pant do at No. 4?

Kohli has the perfect skills for No. 4, which is strange because he honed them batting at No. 3. Gill won't be able to play like Kohli can at No. 4. Gill has the mindset of a top-order batsman. A No. 4 batsman needs to have the mindset of both a top order batsman and a finisher. Gill can score big runs, but he's not a chase master like Kohli.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Also if he really wants to be at 4 then decide for sure dont do this once or twice thing.....settle urself and let other settle

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

He played well at that position because he was new? What logic is this? How did Rishabh Pant do at No. 4?

means he didnt have the issue that he has now 

now he has developed his game n mindset acc to 3 for years n years which wasnt the case earlier

 

its not easy to change that all of sudden. Why do u think his recent scores at 4 i such a struggle ....for someone like kohli thats scores in 7 innings

 

u n me can debate whole day long but numbers are showing an issue recently

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

means he didnt have the issue that he has now 

now he has developed his game n mindset acc to 3 for years n years which wasnt the case earlier

its not easy to change that all of sudden

That depends on how your game is. Kohli's game is suited for No. 4. KL Rahul's is suited more for top of the order than No. 4 or below. This was the right move. Whether it'll be successful or not remains to be seen.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

That depends on how your game is. Kohli's game is suited for No. 4. KL Rahul's is suited more for top of the order than No. 4 or below. This was the right move. Whether it'll be successful or not remains to be seen.

actually i think KL game is more suited for no.4 then kohli since i think he has that extra gear. But he has no security so he is playing safe for number. 

he has a 100 at 4 in t20 and made runs in ipl to at 4,  made a 100 in WC warm up at 4 .....was doing decent till dhawan got injured in wC

 

but whoever it is needs a long run , dont knw what iyer has done wrong that his position is changed now.