Never believed Kohli At 4 is the right idea

[Ankit_sharma03]

Even though he did well at 4 start of his career but moving him back is not a good choice now. Kohli has become ATG batting at 3 only , why to move him now. If no.4 is problem find no.4. This was done before to adjust rahane n kohli runs dried up. 

No other batsman will be as good as kohli at and kohli wont be as good at 4 as he has 3....so why compromise ur strength 

 

• He likes to control the game
• He likes to setup the pace from start
• He has been set in that role for years now, its easy to adjust at start 
• Kohli is best ODI cricketer in World so he shud bat at his fav position n play as many balls as possible

 

He will do well at 4 but not as well as 3 . We did that with sachin also at 4 its not that he didnt score runs he did but not as much as he use to 

 

Another problem with kohli at 4 is it affects sides balance

• iyer , pant, KL every one position changes and they are not that experienced 
• We have to play only 5 bowlers that is asking for disaster 
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For me Kohli has to get back at 3 , They have to choose one between KL n Dhawan...not right for KL also to play in diff position and then change again after few games

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

[Khota]

Never believed you knew anything about cricket.

[Ankit_sharma03]

45 minutes ago, Khota said:

Never believed you knew anything about cricket.

Last 7 Odi innings while batting at No.4

9, 4, 3*, 11, 12, 7, 16

 

the guy who thinks gets proven wrong every day

[rtmohanlal]

every  fan with minimum common sense understands it , but the dumb ass captain Kohli himself does not  understand it. That is the problem. That drunkard leech is just there  to  suck money and not intimate Kohli about these things  either.More  over   placing Rahul above himself in the order is the icing on the cake.

[Vickydev]

The problem i see is if Kohli goes higher, the batting goes even more top heavy. I see no hope for Iyer as #4. The guy struggles against pace, forget seeing him getting tested against movement when early wickets fall. Pant is underperforming as well but has potential. Ideal position for him is also at the top. We literally have noone right now that can bat in middle order. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

He moves young players around shuffling or dropping them at his whim. High time he gets to experience this himself. If he goes back to 3 in the next match will only show how selfish he is. If he expect youngsters to bat out of their comfort zone and do well, why can't he do it himself? In fact he should bat at 6 as a finisher till the time a newcomer settles into a middle order role. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

The problem i see is if Kohli goes higher, the batting goes even more top heavy. I see no hope for Iyer as #4. The guy struggles against pace, forget seeing him getting tested against movement when early wickets fall. Pant is underperforming as well but has potential. Ideal position for him is also at the top. We literally have noone right now that can bat in middle order. 

See if u dont beileve in iyer then dont give him that chance. If he has been given that job show faith n back him.

Thats what its called identifying a player m backing. If they have no faith in him then why was he given easy series for long. Same was case with rayudu they didnt beilve in him but wasted all easy series on him

[Vickydev]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

See if u dont beileve in iyer then dont give him that chance. If he has been given that job show faith n back him.

Thats what its called identifying a player m backing. If they have no faith in him then why was he given easy series for long. Same was case with rayudu they didnt beilve in him but wasted all easy series on him

The alternatives are the problem. We don't have real upcoming players for the middle order. The best young players coming through are all top order players and as such being inexperienced they should be given their preferred spots. The problem is the spot went to KL who is a dissapointment in this format. 

 

If Kohli is the best batsman in the world he should be able to reciprocate at 4 as well. As someone else said he is also the best suited in the side for it. It's not that big a jump anyway for a class player like him, Smith bats between 3 and 4 regularly as well. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

The alternatives are the problem. We don't have real upcoming players for the middle order. The best young players coming through are all top order players and as such being inexperienced they should be given their preferred spots. The problem is the spot went to KL who is a dissapointment in this format. 

We have gill,but if u make him insecure he ll also be like rahul n pant

8 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

If Kohli is the best batsman in the world he should be able to reciprocate at 4 as well. As someone else said he is also the best suited in the side for it. It's not that big a jump anyway for a class player like him, Smith bats between 3 and 4 regularly as well. 

And smith wasnt effective in wc batting at 4...all these williamson, kohli, root babar are best at 3

[zen]

Kohli at 3 or 4 (not a huge difference and when tons of players like Richards, Lara, etc., have done that to give their team options) should be the least of our worries 

[sandeep]

Batting at #3 or #4 in ODI cricket is essentially the same thing.  Both position's primary job is to control the innings through the middle overs.  #4 gets fewer chances to boot-fill early in the innings against weak opposition, and has a trickier job of mastering momentum if you walk in to bat after 25 30 overs.  

 

Why shouldn't Virat take on that job, especially in meaningless bilaterals, giving other batsmen a chance to develop.  

 

Virat getting out today to Zampa - something he has done like 6 times - has nothing to do with him batting at #4 instead of #3.  But you see folks using his cheap score to justify their own preferences.  If he hadn't gotten out, and scored a 100 taking us to a winning 330+ score, would it mean that playing him at #4 is better? Anecdotal evidence is just that. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by sandeep

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Kohli at 3 or 4 (not a huge difference and when tons of players like Richards, Lara, etc., have done that to give their team options) should be the least of our worries 

They both had extra gear kohli doesnt, rohit has it but failed in middle. 

Kohli is more in ponting smith williamson zone then richards or lara

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Batting at #3 or #4 in ODI cricket is essentially the same thing.  Both position's primary job is to control the innings through the middle overs.  #4 gets fewer chances to boot-fill early in the innings against weak opposition, and has a trickier job of mastering momentum if you walk in to bat after 25 30 overs.  

 

Why shouldn't Virat take on that job, especially in meaningless bilaterals, giving other batsmen a chance to develop.  

 

Virat getting out today to Zampa - something he has done like 6 times - has nothing to do with him batting at #4 instead of #3.  But you see folks using his cheap score to justify their own preferences.  

Diff is number of balls u get and when u get in. Getting 35 overs is far diff then getting 25 most days

Getting in with one down then two down is a diff. 

Its just not about today look at his last few scores at 4 in odi

Edited January 14, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Diff is number of balls u get and when u get in

Getting in with one down then two down is a diff. 

Its just not about today look at his last few scores at 4 in odi

diff is also in 3 and 4, since those numbers are diff.  Also 4 is divisible by 2 and 3 is not, that is a diff.  You can write 4 with all straight lines and have to use curved lines to write 3 that is also a "diff".  Any other "diffs" that I missed?

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, sandeep said:

diff is also in 3 and 4, since those numbers are diff.  Also 4 is divisible by 2 and 3 is not, that is a diff.  You can write 4 with all straight lines and have to use curved lines to write 3 that is also a "diff".  Any other "diffs" that I missed?

Yea the basic his impact

[R!TTER]

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

And smith wasnt effective in wc batting at 4...all these williamson, kohli, root babar are best at 3

That's a non argument, he's done nothing batting at 3 in crunch games either. I'm talking about Kohli of course, he is needed at 4 because we are too top heavy right now. Maybe that'll change in time for the next WC, but I'm not holding my breath.

[zen]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

They both had extra gear kohli doesnt, rohit has it but failed in middle. 

Kohli is more in ponting smith williamson zone then richards or lara

If there is a huge opening p’ship, #3 could come in after 30 overs. If wkts fall early, a #4 could be batting in the 11th over. And when such things happen, good players adjust their game. It is more about the ability to handle the situation 
 

In T20s (a different format), there are less balls than in ODIs. Kohli has shown his ability to adjust when coming in at various situations 

 

Let’s not underplay the talent of versatile experienced Indian players by suggesting that they can only be successful at certain positions  

Edited January 14, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, R!TTER said:

That's a non argument, he's done nothing batting at 3 in crunch games either. I'm talking about Kohli of course, he is needed at 4 because we are too top heavy right now. Maybe that'll change in time for the next WC, but I'm not holding my breath.

wasnt he the highest scored in CT 2013 final

its not a problem of position but nerves, Same kohli has done so much in t20 crunch games at 3

 

Also what wrong has iyer done to mess with his position and kohli going down means going with only 5 bowling option

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, zen said:

If there is a huge opening p’ship, #3 could come in after 30 overs. If wkts fall early, a #4 could be batting in the 11th over. And when such things happen, good players adjust their game. 
 

timily promotion is fine but think about other guy who wud be confused...he aint same as kohli settled 

Just now, zen said:

In T20s (a different format), there are less balls than in ODIs. Kohli has shown his ability to adjust when coming in at various situations 

Kohli's

Last 7 Odi innings while batting at No.4

9, 4, 3*, 11, 12, 7, 16

 

isnt happening off lately, n i dont want our best batsman with these numbers 

Just now, zen said:

Let’s not spoil Indian players by highlighting that they can only be successful at certain positions 

its same with everyone 

smith didnt look as effective at 4 either in Wc

Ponting also in later career went to 4 n wasnt as impactful 

They tried same with tendulkar not as effective on 4

neither was ganguly as effective at 3

 

he is ur best player play him where he became best. He is part of team and he makes u win