zen Posted January 26, 2020 Posted January 26, 2020 ODIs In the 70s-80s period vs. top teams, I have taken batsmen with a minimum of 2,000 runs scored an average of 40 or more The batsmen with these qualifications would compete with Sir Vivian Richards: View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or West Indies Start of match date less than or equal to 1 Jan 1990 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 and batting average greater than or equal to 40 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 IVA Richards (WI) 1975-1989 162 148 24 5982 189* 48.24 6616 90.41 10 43 7 Zaheer Abbas (PAK) 1974-1985 51 50 6 2063 118 46.88 2503 82.42 6 10 2 CG Greenidge (WI) 1975-1989 110 109 9 4417 133* 44.17 6731 65.62 9 27 3 Javed Miandad (PAK) 1975-1989 136 132 25 4640 119* 43.36 6904 67.20 5 32 5 DL Haynes (WI) 1978-1989 159 158 21 5877 152* 42.89 9253 63.51 15 32 5 AJ Lamb (ENG) 1982-1989 83 83 15 2825 118 41.54 3837 73.62 4 14 8 DM Jones (AUS) 1984-1989 72 72 11 2489 121 40.80 3392 73.37 3 16 2 GA Gooch (ENG) 1976-1989 69 68 2 2680 142 40.60 4175 64.19 7 14 1 GR Marsh (AUS) 1986-1989 69 69 4 2609 126* 40.13 4523 57.68 7 10 2 = Excluding Sir Viv Richards's numbers, below is the average Batting Average = 43 Batting SR = 67 Avg * SR = 2,845 Sir Viv Richards: Batting Average = 48 Batting SR = 90 Avg * SR = 4,320 Vs. the average of peers, Viv Richards' Batting Average = +13% Batting SR = +35% Avg * SR = +52%
zen Posted January 26, 2020 Author Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Top Indian batsmen during the period vs. top teams. None of them have an average of 40, but Kapil has a great SR: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or West Indies Start of match date less than or equal to 1 Jan 1990 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 SM Gavaskar 1974-1987 91 86 10 2529 103* 33.27 4129 61.24 1 22 6 DB Vengsarkar 1976-1989 106 100 15 2718 105 31.97 4244 64.04 1 15 6 RJ Shastri 1981-1989 103 87 16 2071 102 29.16 3184 65.04 2 13 3 K Srikkanth 1981-1989 102 101 3 2677 123 27.31 3925 68.20 4 16 7 N Kapil Dev 1978-1989 126 116 16 2455 87 24.55 2459 99.83 0 14 11 Ind's average batting: Avg = 29 SR = 69 Avg * SR = 2009 Edited January 26, 2020 by zen
nevada Posted January 26, 2020 Posted January 26, 2020 Shocked to see Srikkanth with a strike rate of just 68, barely 3 points above Shastri. Srikanth was considered a swashbuckler while Shastri was considered a plodder.
Vijy Posted January 26, 2020 Posted January 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, zen said: Top Indian batsmen during the period vs. top teams. None of them have an average of 40, but Kapil has a great SR: Hide contents View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or West Indies Start of match date less than or equal to 1 Jan 1990 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 SM Gavaskar 1974-1987 91 86 10 2529 103* 33.27 4129 61.24 1 22 6 DB Vengsarkar 1976-1989 106 100 15 2718 105 31.97 4244 64.04 1 15 6 RJ Shastri 1981-1989 103 87 16 2071 102 29.16 3184 65.04 2 13 3 K Srikkanth 1981-1989 102 101 3 2677 123 27.31 3925 68.20 4 16 7 N Kapil Dev 1978-1989 126 116 16 2455 87 24.55 2459 99.83 0 14 11 Ind's average batting: Avg = 29 SR = 69 Avg * SR = 2009 kapil was too far ahead of his time and batted too low. in today's era, I think his bowling would suffer to some extent (can see him avg around 28-29 with a SR) but his batting could win matches on his own. Could have easily played at no. 5 or no. 6 in the current team IMO
zen Posted January 26, 2020 Author Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, nevada said: Shocked to see Srikkanth with a strike rate of just 68, barely 3 points above Shastri. Srikanth was considered a swashbuckler while Shastri was considered a plodder. Shastri batted at various positions. Srikant usually opened with Gavaskar, and there is a variance in their SRs, though Gavaskar has a higher average, so Srikant would appear relatively a swashbuckler. Most of the time, they played red ball cricket 11 minutes ago, Vijy said: kapil was too far ahead of his time and batted too low. in today's era, I think his bowling would suffer to some extent (can see him avg around 28-29 with a SR) but his batting could win matches on his own. Could have easily played at no. 5 or no. 6 in the current team IMO Yeah, Kapil batting offers value! In terms of potential, he was like a 40+ test avg batsman Edited January 26, 2020 by zen
Vijy Posted January 26, 2020 Posted January 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, zen said: Shastri batted at various positions. Srikant usually opened with Gavaskar, and there is a variance in their SRs, though Gavaskar has a higher average, so Srikant would appear relatively a swashbuckler. Most of the time, they played red ball cricket Yeah, Kapil batting offers value! In terms of potential, he was like a 40+ test avg batsman he should have avgd close to 40 with bat in tests - was a much better batsman than jaddu, who himself has improved greatly over the past few yrs and has a career avg of 35+. However, I think kapil's real value to Ind would be in ODIs. top opening bowler, canny in middle overs. Devastating batsman who could probably score faster than even pandya and with greater consistency. can see him in today's ODI era having buttler-like stats of an avg in high 30s and SR of 120+.
zen Posted January 26, 2020 Author Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Vijy said: he should have avgd close to 40 with bat in tests - was a much better batsman than jaddu, who himself has improved greatly over the past few yrs and has a career avg of 35+. However, I think kapil's real value to Ind would be in ODIs. top opening bowler, canny in middle overs. Devastating batsman who could probably score faster than even pandya and with greater consistency. can see him in today's ODI era having buttler-like stats of an avg in high 30s and SR of 120+. Even Gavaskar could have great stats today. Can play 100 balls in most games w/o problem to avg 65-75 Vijy 1
Vijy Posted January 26, 2020 Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, zen said: Even Gavaskar could have great stats today. Can play 100 balls in most games w/o problem to avg 65-75 yes, that's why I mentioned SR also. Kapil I think would have godly SR. remember he was outpacing Viv, who was in turn light years ahead of others in SR (and also in avg of course). I think sunny could have amla like record, especially if he chose to play for himself. Edited January 26, 2020 by Vijy
zen Posted January 26, 2020 Author Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Vijy said: yes, that's why I mentioned SR also. Kapil I think would have godly SR. remember he was outpacing Viv, who was in turn light years ahead of others in SR (and also in avg of course). Gavaskar and Kapil opening the batting now would be interesting. One is among the greatest player of fast bowling (can hook, pull, cut, play . straight drives) and the other likes to smash bowlers, and can play freely with the comfort of Gavaskar at the other end.
Vijy Posted January 26, 2020 Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, zen said: Gavaskar and Kapil opening the batting now would be interesting. One is among the greatest player of fast bowling (can hook, pull, cut, play . straight drives) and the other likes to smash bowlers, and can play freely with the comfort of Gavaskar at the other end. gavaskar was fantastic all-round player, but amarnath at his best was an even better player of fast bowling. Many of sunny's big knocks against WI came against relatively weaker teams. What I would enjoy seeing is Kapil and Sehwag opening the batting. utter madness. can expect a typical start of 6 overs 70/1 because one of them would fall soon. we should not forgot that sehwag had a 100+ SR in an era when few batsmen did.
zen Posted January 26, 2020 Author Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Vijy said: What I would enjoy seeing is Kapil and Sehwag opening the batting. utter madness. can expect a typical start of 6 overs 70/1 because one of them would fall soon. we should not forgot that sehwag had a 100+ SR in an era when few batsmen did. yeah, Sehwag is an outlier too
Vk1 Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 9:53 AM, Vijy said: gavaskar was fantastic all-round player, but amarnath at his best was an even better player of fast bowling. Many of sunny's big knocks against WI came against relatively weaker teams. What I would enjoy seeing is Kapil and Sehwag opening the batting. utter madness. can expect a typical start of 6 overs 70/1 because one of them would fall soon. we should not forgot that sehwag had a 100+ SR in an era when few batsmen did. yeah.. there was an article few years back on Sunnys scores against windies in detail incl the fast bowlers who played those games.. do you have this data
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