Nikola Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Okay every other day i see people on ICF hyping up this guy for his odi batting exploits and how good striker he was. These are same people who hype guys like jayasuriya, pandya and call mcgrath & tendulkar overrated. Stats against all top sides he played. Country wise stats Stats against top odi bowlers he faced. His best innings against best team of his era came with cause of great luck as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-CjKXqJlk I agree he was great batsman on his day and as package very good all rounder to have in your side but was he really that good worth few poster hype here? will he be in your asia xi or world xi? Edited April 12, 2020 by Nikola
Nikola Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 Oh forgot to add stats against our legendary odi bowler. Sir agarkar
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Good choice in asian condition but outside not even considering him. Good thing about him was he was a package with bowling n fielding. His avg was just 36 against us , i thought it wud have been high.
Nikola Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Good choice in asian condition but outside not even considering him. Good thing about him was he was a package with bowling n fielding. His avg was just 36 against us , i thought it wud have been high. Will he be your opener in asia xi or world xi? Edit: You are right. He averaged 28 in away matches. Edited April 12, 2020 by Nikola
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nikola said: Will he be your opener in asia xi or world xi? Edit: You are right. He averaged 28 in away matches. if the game is played in Asia yes .....if outside asia ill consider my options Nikola 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Sanath Jayasuriya (Sri Lanka) - One Day International Cricket Performances by Country - Versus <All Countries> ACA Africa XI Australia Bangladesh Bermuda Canada England ICC World XI India Ireland Kenya Netherlands New Zealand Pakistan South Africa United Arab Emirates West Indies Zimbabwe (Click Country for Breakdown by Ground) Batting Bowling Country Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS Runs Avg S/R Ca St Australia 51 48 1 3 5 5 122 1284 27.32 86.00 9 0 Bangladesh 12 12 0 1 2 2 105 394 32.83 82.77 4 0 England and Wales 22 22 0 3 0 1 152 692 31.45 94.92 3 0 India 43 42 4 1 4 3 151* 981 25.82 93.88 10 0 Kenya 6 6 0 0 0 0 45 96 16.00 92.31 0 0 Morocco 5 5 0 0 2 0 97 299 59.80 99.01 2 0 Netherlands 1 1 0 1 0 0 157 157 157.00 150.96 0 0 New Zealand 23 22 0 2 3 3 111 662 30.09 99.55 10 0 Pakistan 28 28 1 3 6 2 134* 1125 41.67 99.56 6 0 Singapore 4 3 0 1 1 0 134 217 72.33 212.75 2 0 South Africa 35 35 2 2 6 1 140 1019 30.88 82.18 8 0 Sri Lanka 128 124 9 7 24 11 130 3880 33.74 88.95 31 0 United Arab Emirates 60 59 0 2 12 5 189 1851 31.37 83.04 27 0 West Indies 16 16 1 2 2 1 115 606 40.40 103.59 8 0 Zimbabwe 11 10 0 0 1 0 54 167 16.70 104.38 3 0 Poor avg in Aus, India , ZIMB Avg of 30 in NZ, Eng, SA , UAE which is not great even in SL its 33
Nikola Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Sanath Jayasuriya (Sri Lanka) - One Day International Cricket Performances by Country - Versus <All Countries> ACA Africa XI Australia Bangladesh Bermuda Canada England ICC World XI India Ireland Kenya Netherlands New Zealand Pakistan South Africa United Arab Emirates West Indies Zimbabwe (Click Country for Breakdown by Ground) Batting Bowling Country Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS Runs Avg S/R Ca St Australia 51 48 1 3 5 5 122 1284 27.32 86.00 9 0 Bangladesh 12 12 0 1 2 2 105 394 32.83 82.77 4 0 England and Wales 22 22 0 3 0 1 152 692 31.45 94.92 3 0 India 43 42 4 1 4 3 151* 981 25.82 93.88 10 0 Kenya 6 6 0 0 0 0 45 96 16.00 92.31 0 0 Morocco 5 5 0 0 2 0 97 299 59.80 99.01 2 0 Netherlands 1 1 0 1 0 0 157 157 157.00 150.96 0 0 New Zealand 23 22 0 2 3 3 111 662 30.09 99.55 10 0 Pakistan 28 28 1 3 6 2 134* 1125 41.67 99.56 6 0 Singapore 4 3 0 1 1 0 134 217 72.33 212.75 2 0 South Africa 35 35 2 2 6 1 140 1019 30.88 82.18 8 0 Sri Lanka 128 124 9 7 24 11 130 3880 33.74 88.95 31 0 United Arab Emirates 60 59 0 2 12 5 189 1851 31.37 83.04 27 0 West Indies 16 16 1 2 2 1 115 606 40.40 103.59 8 0 Zimbabwe 11 10 0 0 1 0 54 167 16.70 104.38 3 0 Poor avg in Aus, India , ZIMB Avg of 30 in NZ, Eng, SA , UAE which is not great even in SL its 33 His batting average would have increased in this era (around 40 maybe) but i guess his bowling would have been useless. Edited April 12, 2020 by Nikola
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 57 minutes ago, Nikola said: Oh forgot to add stats against our legendary odi bowler. Sir agarkar I think was the series where agarkar had jayasuria in a lot of problem
Gollum Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Batsman vs bowler stat is meaningless, at least the way it is presented now. The avg indicated is simply the avg of the batsman in the matches where that particular bowler dismissed him. For instance if Smith is dismissed by Thakur in 2 matches where he scored 10 and 10, that column would show avg 10. Even if he has scored uneaten 150 in each of his remaining 3 matches and 50% of those runs coming against Thakur. Sanath was great for his era, just like Srikkanth was for his era. Need to look beyond statistics and study how they changed the game, how many matches and tournaments they won for their sides. For those of us who saw him live, stats don't capture the full picture. Edited April 12, 2020 by Gollum zen, Vickydev and nevada 3
zen Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Players are picked considering the requirements of an 11. Based on averages alone, below are the top 6-7 ODI batsmen: View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 and batting average greater than or equal to 49 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 V Kohli (INDIA) 2008-2020 222 216 33 10744 183 58.71 11531 93.17 39 53 12 AB de Villiers (SA) 2005-2018 191 184 35 8093 162* 54.31 8113 99.75 20 46 5 MG Bevan (AUS) 1994-2004 203 174 58 6200 108* 53.44 8428 73.56 6 40 4 Babar Azam (PAK) 2015-2019 62 61 7 2851 125* 52.79 3306 86.23 10 12 2 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2020 135 127 19 5475 125 50.69 6323 86.58 15 31 4 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2005-2019 310 267 74 9595 183* 49.71 11014 87.11 7 68 7 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2007-2020 197 191 27 8039 264 49.01 9014 89.18 25 38 11 I am not sure how many would have only the above in their top 6-7 batsmen in an 11 Edited April 12, 2020 by zen
zen Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 There was another such great thread which people shied away from - Ross Taylor vs. Viv Richards
Gollum Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 2008 Asia Cup final, 39 yo Sanath on his last legs against a formidable Indian side that had won CB series a few months prior Sanath 125 (114) Rest of top 5 (incl Sanga, Mahela) with scores of 4, 11, 5, 0 and FOW 1/11, 2/34, 3/66, 4/66 Had an Indian played that kind of knock in a tournament final, esp at that age, we would never hear the end of it. Some players are beyond stats, from India Yuvraj will be an equivalent example...not just elite match-winners but guys who can win tournaments. PS- Sanath as 35 yo was MOS in the 2004 Asia Cup...apart from 2 blistering 100s he comprehensively outbowled Kumble and Harbhajan throughout the tournament incl the final. Who knew he would repeat his heroics 4 years later? Edited April 12, 2020 by Gollum nevada 1
zen Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 134* vs Pak (Wasim, Waqar, and Saqlain): Edited April 12, 2020 by zen
Gollum Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 That 2006 SL-Eng match was one of my favorites growing up, Lanka made a mockery of the huge target, that kind of hitting was unheard of back then...chasing 320+, they were going at 9rpo till the 32nd over. I have no doubt in my mind that had he been playing under these new ICC regulations and on these pattas, even 300 wouldn't be beyond him.
zen Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I followed most of my cricket in the 90s. I have not seen any batsman perform at such a dominating level in LOIs at his peak. Best performances in the 90s from what I recall (in no particular order): M Crowe in 92 WC Lara played many memorable knocks in his first 100 ODIs Jayasuriya at his peak starting with the 96 WC Tendulkar's Desert Storm innings Klusener in 99 WC
Nikola Posted April 13, 2020 Author Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Gollum said: Batsman vs bowler stat is meaningless, at least the way it is presented now. The avg indicated is simply the avg of the batsman in the matches where that particular bowler dismissed him. For instance if Smith is dismissed by Thakur in 2 matches where he scored 10 and 10, that column would show avg 10. Even if he has scored uneaten 150 in each of his remaining 3 matches and 50% of those runs coming against Thakur. Sanath was great for his era, just like Srikkanth was for his era. Need to look beyond statistics and study how they changed the game, how many matches and tournaments they won for their sides. For those of us who saw him live, stats don't capture the full picture. Ofcourse he was big time match winner but he was too inconsistent with bat as well. When you play 450 odd matches you will have many memorable innings to remember. What about his performance against top sides of his era? His great performance mostly came in Asian conditions. (Don't post his couple of overseas tons now, i am talking about consistency overall) Question is will you pick him in your world xi or asia xi & is he ATG for you? Edited April 13, 2020 by Nikola
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