express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 Tyagi 144.1 k Mosher and Forward Defence 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) Tyagi ... quick rising short ball thuds into keeper's gloves head high Edited October 22, 2020 by express bowling Mosher and Forward Defence 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Defence Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Ruins the over with a half volley express bowling and speedheat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 Tyagi 3rd over 139 ... attempted yorker 144 ... attempted yorker 144 135 134 ... quick rising short ball 140 Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Off day for tyagi today struggled for lines. 3 overs for 42... Unadkut will be back next match velu, express bowling and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, speedheat said: Off day for tyagi today struggled for lines. 3 overs for 42... Unadkut will be back next match That will be absolutely foolish for RR as one mat h before this he bowled beauty against greatest loi batsmen the world has ever seen,for a kid like him patience is worth investment express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) Young Indian fast bowlers are showing a lot of promise at U19 level for the last 5 years. They have the raw talent. But I get the feeling that they are not being guided or mentored properly after that. Avesh, Khaleel, Mavi and Nagarkoti have not progressed the way they could have, given their talent. While Rabada, Alzari and Shaheen have become regulars for their teams. BCCI needs to look into this aspect. Is it a case of too many coaches guided them at different times and confusing them ? Or is it the lack of a central co-ordinator for youngster development ? Why are they not playing sufficient FC, the bedrock of career development ? A talent like Prasidh has played just around 10 FC games so many years after debut. Even supremely talented young batsmen like Gill, Shaw and Pant are losing their way. Something to reflect about. Edited October 22, 2020 by express bowling velu, Mosher, Suhaan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) Someone should talk to the young Indian fast bowlers about the lines and lengths they should try to bowl. I am not talking about poor execution here ... which can happen to youngsters. But the deliveries they are trying are often not the ideal ones. Too many poor deliveries and too many variations are being tried. While not enough top of off stump directed deliveries are being tried in the first 15 overs. Edited October 22, 2020 by express bowling Suhaan and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Suhaan said: That will be absolutely foolish for RR as one mat h before this he bowled beauty against greatest loi batsmen the world has ever seen,for a kid like him patience is worth investment You should expect such blunders from RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, express bowling said: Young Indian fast bowlers are showing a lot of promise at U19 level for the last 5 years. They have the are talent. But I get the feeling that they are not being guided or mentored properly after that. Avesh, Khaleel, Mavi and Nagarkoti have not progressed the way they could have, given their talent. While Rabada, Alzari and Shaheen have become regulars for their teams. BCCI needs to look into this aspect. Is it a case of too many coaches guided them at different times and confusing them ? Or is it the lack of a central co-ordinator for youngster development ? Why are they not playing sufficient FC, the bedrock of career development ? A talent like Prasidh has played just around 10 FC games so many years after debut. Even supremely talented young batsmen like Gill, Shaw and Pant are losing their way. Something to reflect about. I don't think Mavi,Nagarkoti bowled that bad,they had a mixed season so far,yes we had high expectations but then they barely had matches behind them Im sure these are hard working kids,and BCCI will look after them well,things have changed there is a culture behind they can look upto their own heroes such Bumrah,Shami,Ishant and i meant to say way of coaching has changed too I won't recognise their potential on IPL performance,lets see how they fare in FCs(including A matches) Even still i hope old Khaleel makes a comeback Gill,Shaw,Pant will come good bro,they will be in good hands Edited October 22, 2020 by Suhaan Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, Suhaan said: That will be absolutely foolish for RR as one mat h before this he bowled beauty against greatest loi batsmen the world has ever seen,for a kid like him patience is worth investment What gives me hope is that Tyagi got to bowl his last 2 overs too at the death, despite bowling 2 poor overs upfront. He is being looked at as a good enough death bowler and RR does not have many. Mosher and Suhaan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Suhaan said: I don't think Mavi,Nagarkoti bowled that bad,they had a mixed season so far,yes we had high expectations but then they barely had matches behind them Im sure these are hard working kids,and BCCI will look after them well,things have changed there is a culture behind they can look upto their own heroes such Bumrah,Shami,Ishant and i meant to say way of coaching has changed too I won't recognise their potential on IPL performance,lets see how they fare in FCs(including A matches) Even still i hope old Khaleel makes a comeback Gill,Shaw,Pant will come good bro,they will be in good hands Bro, I am not blaming the youngsters. Most of them look like hard working kids who want to make it big. Nor am I talking about performances in just this IPL. But none of them have progressed the way they could have, in their careers. Not even a single one despite being so talented. There must be some reason behind it. Suhaan and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: Bro, I am not blaming the youngsters. Most of them look like hard working kids who want to make it big. Nor am I talking about performances in just this IPL. But none of them have progressed the way they could have, in their careers. Not even a single one despite being so talented. There must be some reason behind it. Mavi,Nagarkoti were mostly out injured Mavi whatever little he played in Ranjis did well Shaw,Pant,Gill all had atleast one good season in FC Lets see how they fare from here post pandemic Starting after pandemic is like debuting once again(for these boys) ,to have concern is quite natural,maybe lets wait for some more time Mosher and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Mavi,Nagarkoti were mostly out injured Mavi whatever little he played in Ranjis did well Shaw,Pant,Gill all had atleast one good season in FC Lets see how they fare from here post pandemic Starting after pandemic is like debuting once again(for these boys) ,to have concern is quite natural,maybe lets wait for some more time Nagarkoti took almost 2 years to recover. Many people felt that his injury and recovery process was not managed properly. Prasidh did not get to play FC for 3 years. Khaleel's action and bowling style was tampered with just after joining Team India, and he was never the same bowler again. And he has not played enough FC too. Tyagi's run up was changed and he was using larger steps while running in. Avesh has lost pace. Gill's off side play has deteriorated. Maybe someone has changed his grip a bit. Shaw seems confused and demotivated. These are the issues which are bothersome. Mavi's case is ok. Edited October 22, 2020 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prudent_kreeda Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 46 minutes ago, express bowling said: Someone should talk to the young Indian fast bowlers about the lines and lengths they should try to bowl. I am not talking about poor execution here ... which can happen to youngsters. But the deliveries they are trying are often not the ideal ones. Too many poor deliveries and too many variations are being tried. While not enough top of off stump directed deliveries are being tried in the first 15 overs. Thats why i had written in earlier post about the need for a very good pace bowling coach someone like Mcdermott. Shami , Bhumra might have become good under B Arun , but that is after several years . Shami is playing almost 7+ years ? Bumrah is an exception . He can read the conditions and change his game between sessions . If these youngsters are to continue as is now , then they may also take 4-5 years to become good and who knows only 1 or 2 may succeed . But these young bowlers need a mentor who can drill home the finer points of taking wickets - primarily test match wicket taking bowling. Once you have that ability , adapting to one dayers will be easier . You need to have accurate Yorkers and some death over bowling. skills as additions . Pace alone will not take them further . Have a couple of 2-3 month stint with such a mentor and then assess how they do in FC matches . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Nagarkoti took almost 2 years to recover. Many people felt that his injury and recovery process was not managed properly. Prasidh did not get to play FC for 3 years. Khaleel's action and bowling style was tampered with just after joining Team India, and he was never the same bowler again. And he has not played enough FC too. Tyagi's run up was changed and he was using larger steps while running in. Avesh has lost pace. Gill's off side play has deteriorated. Maybe someone has changed his grip a bit. Shaw seems confused and demotivated. These are the issues which are bothersome. Mavi's case is ok. Our fast bowling coaching methods are still old school Our fast bowling coaches at grassroot level must come to the terms of new age methods I was reading somewhere these days coaches are training guys based on Steffan Jones research work, Steffan Jones is highly appreciated name in fast bowling coaching,but seems we still lag in guiding our pacers,it will take time Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said: Thats why i had written in earlier post about the need for a very good pace bowling coach someone like Mcdermott. Shami , Bhumra might have become good under B Arun , but that is after several years . Shami is playing almost 7+ years ? Bumrah is an exception . He can read the conditions and change his game between sessions . If these youngsters are to continue as is now , then they may also take 4-5 years to become good and who knows only 1 or 2 may succeed . But these young bowlers need a mentor who can drill home the finer points of taking wickets - primarily test match wicket taking bowling. Once you have that ability , adapting to one dayers will be easier . You need to have accurate Yorkers and some death over bowling. skills as additions . Pace alone will not take them further . Have a couple of 2-3 month stint with such a mentor and then assess how they do in FC matches . Will a strong and independent fast bowling coach be able to function properly in the Kohli / Shastri regime ? If the answer is yes then I have no problem. But we need to look at the pre-international coaching style and coaches too. The mentors and coaches who handle the transformation from U19 or U23 level to Senior cricket. I think we are lagging here. Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Dravid robbed off a deserving candidate like Purnank Tyagi from u19 WC birth and get noticed. Now I know why. He picked one from his own academy Vidyadhar Patil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Did he tell you? What's there to tell? Vidyadhar Patil is from Dravid-Padukone Centre of Excellence. So, it's quite obvious why he was picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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