TN-Karnataka discussion

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

You still don't get it. Riparian law states legal way to share water based on length a river flows in each terriority its a straight forward law. There is room for interpretation for sure. 

I will read up about your Riparian law, but is it part of our constitution or even practical? Laws on river dispute can’t be static and archaic to apply to every case and every time period. That’s why you have a tribunal to decide. Unfortunately that tribunal has a political color

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[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Vilander said:

Outright objectionable statement veerappan was a terrorist and why would citizens living in bangalore who were tamil should be attacked for that lol this is what I mean when I say normalised us vs them behavior with certain kannadigas. Specifically the entities who support some siege mentality.. no one is here trying to ruin your kannada nadu do you get that. Tamils don't sit somewhere and scheme with veerappan to attack your matnee idol rajkumar lol.. and there were riots during rajkumar kidnapping in bangalore lol. I remember driving several of my colleagues their spouses to their homes esp tamil and North indian ones as they did not have local vehicles. Dude don't give this bs to me. 

Anecdotal is not evidence. As per your assertions, if Kannadigas hated Tamil Makkal and normalized hate to crime in riots, there would be widespread riots by his followers to hurt Tamilians as retribution. None of that happened for 90 days and nobody died just to disprove your hate theory.

 

I have been lathi charged in a communal riot by police. when we were harmlessly walking for lunch to a lunch mess. It doesn’t prove all policemen are bad and they hate people

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[Vilander]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

nobody died just to disprove your hate theory.

Oh you need tamil people to die like 1990 riots. Ok

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

will read up about your Riparian law, but is it part of our constitution or even practical?

In India there has been a judicial tradition of upholding riparian rights i am not sure about their constitutional status whether they can be called laws. That is where the grounds of interpretation come into picture but the tribunal was constituted disobeying them cant be done lightly but apparently without any impact since KA is a BJP state and TN is not. 

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Oh you need tamil people to die like 1990 riots. Ok

No, it seems you want it to happen just so you can talk about Hate theory of Kannadigas normalizing hate crimes over Tamilians.

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, Vilander said:

In India there has been a judicial tradition of upholding riparian rights i am not sure about their constitutional status whether they can be called laws. That is where the grounds of interpretation come into picture but the tribunal was constituted disobeying them cant be done lightly but apparently without any impact since KA is a BJP state and TN is not. 

Both riots happened under congress govts, BJP were in power from 2008-13 and now since 2020

[Vilander]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

Both riots happened under congress govts, BJP were in power from 2008-13 and now since 2020

Hope they pointt that in TN elections it will be a slippery slope through. 

[Vilander]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

No, it seems you want it to happen just so you can talk about Hate theory of Kannadigas normalizing hate crimes over Tamilians.

On Kannada vs TN, I am convinced as a person that can legit claim to be neutral (  wont get into details) that Kannadigas hate Tamils for various reasons and sense of not getting their due historically which they often attribute to the evil Tamils, also lower class Tamils when it suits their agenda, may be a colonial hangover inferiority complex on their part it was Madras presidency not Mysore presidency they feel authentic Indian because of the same reason. They also quite funnily feel they are allowing Tamil movies to run in their state while Tamils don't watch their movies and they need to strike back, there is often anger on the streets. There is no such parallel in TN. KA hate is not a political tool in TN, no one uses it. KA makes movies on cauvery lol I have seen songs movies where a girl cauvery lol and hero and evil tamil guy fight for the girl hehe. That song upendra and evil prabhu deva fighting over that bong hottie whats her name.. prabhu deva of all people he is such a kannadiga origin Tamil. 

 

On Hinduism debate,

When I debate against whom you folks would call disrespectfully  'lemurians'from this side where I have right to center pals who are urban well off in comparison right to the mass outraged populist left of the semi urban and rural folks. They do not identify in anyway with the Indian Hindu populist agenda, it does not exist in TN hinterland. TN populist is minority inclusive strong Tamil identity. There is a spectrum, that is why I say India needs true right wing. If bjp works in Kerala there you have blue print for TN and final frontier Wb.

[Vilander]

This one hehe.. whats going on here ? 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

42 minutes ago, Vilander said:

On Kannada vs TN, I am convinced as a person that can legit claim to be neutral (  wont get into details) that Kannadigas hate Tamils for various reasons and sense of not getting their due historically which they often attribute to the evil Tamils, also lower class Tamils when it suits their agenda, may be a colonial hangover inferiority complex on their part it was Madras presidency not Mysore presidency they feel authentic Indian because of the same reason. They also quite funnily feel they are allowing Tamil movies to run in their state while Tamils don't watch their movies and they need to strike back, there is often anger on the streets. There is no such parallel in TN. KA hate is not a political tool in TN, no one uses it. KA makes movies on cauvery lol I have seen songs movies where a girl cauvery lol and hero and evil tamil guy fight for the girl hehe. That song upendra and evil prabhu deva fighting over that bong hottie whats her name.. prabhu deva of all people he is such a kannadiga origin Tamil. 

 

On Hinduism debate,

When I debate against whom you folks would call disrespectfully  'lemurians'from this side where I have right to center pals who are urban well off in comparison right to the mass outraged populist left of the semi urban and rural folks. They do not identify in anyway with the Indian Hindu populist agenda, it does not exist in TN hinterland. TN populist is minority inclusive strong Tamil identity. There is a spectrum, that is why I say India needs true right wing. If bjp works in Kerala there you have blue print for TN and final frontier Wb.

Ok, you are entitled to your opinion and I vehemently disagree. There were no modern borders and it was a good fluid exchange of ideas and people until a hundred years ago. Most of Kannadigas I know hate the dravida politics, and are not totally against any Hindi. Yes imposition is being rejected

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[Vilander]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Ok, you are entitled to your opinion and I vehemently disagree. There were no modern borders and it was a good fluid exchange of ideas and people until a hundred years ago. Most of Kannadigas I know hate the dravida politics, and are not totally against any Hindi. Yes imposition is being rejected

Dravida nationalism is an invention to unify TN nothing more. It obviously was not designed or capable of any pan nationalism or secession why would Tamils cede from a state they helped build its absurd. The whole dravida nationalism is hardly a thing in TN before hearing about its secessionist ideals from concerned North Indian people local Tamils never even know that it was meant to be anything more than a party name.  And Kannadigas don't have a visible presence in Tamil societal psyche Tamils belive they are pre eminent in contributing to the nation, so there is hardly any wish to see any dravida nationalism in other states particularly karnataka. Other view points you might hear are fringe or fringe of fringe..

[diga]

14 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

Many Punjabis I have come across  say 'Kannad' instead of 'Kannada'...they have no intent to disrespect...they even say 'Keral' instead of 'Kerala'.....

The pronunciation comes from the people speaking the language.. not from those who dont speak it