express bowling Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, Vijy said: looks like a fragile type overall. Looks like he was rushed back before full recovery. Mosher, Vijy, tapandrun and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, Vijy said: looks like a fragile type overall. Don't think a fragile type tbh... He is very young, just 21 years old. His body will get stronger by 23-24. Aaron was getting a lot injured when he was 22-23 but once he crossed age of 25 he hardly got injured and played domestics consistently, it a different matter though that his performance nosedived. Fragile body frames is of Pandya, Washy, D Chahar. Who will get injured every now and then despite doing nothing. cricspirit, AKane and tapandrun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 On 4/29/2024 at 12:07 PM, express bowling said: Want to see Sakib Hussain bowl in atleast a couple of matches. Should get as game as Rana is out for 1 match unless they pick Sakaria express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kron Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 15 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: We need to get rid of this mentality of "fast bowling leak runs" first. This IPL Mukesh is leaking runs at 11 p.o. , Mohit is breaking records of getting beaten, Unadkut is getting hammered for 37 in 2 overs but all hell breaks loose when a fast bowler gives 40 runs in 4 overs or get injured midway. This is the problem I have. We have very biased antagonistic view vs fast bowlers. If you are bowling under 135 on average and you don't have the ability to bowl between 135 to 145 then quit trying to become a premium bowlers. Focus on becoming a BOwling all rounder or batting all rounder. If under 135 either forget bowling or focus on being All rounder. Otherwise get lost. singhvivek141, cricspirit and express bowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kron said: If you are bowling under 135 on average and you don't have the ability to bowl between 135 to 145 then quit trying to become a premium bowlers. Focus on becoming a BOwling all rounder or batting all rounder. If under 135 either forget bowling or focus on being All rounder. Otherwise get lost. Absolutely Shaun Pollock, Richard Hadlee, Chris Woakes, post injury Kapil Dev, Heath Streak etc there are numerous examples in internationals. People often quote Walsh & Ambrose but Walsh was easily 135+ in his early days and Ambrose around 139-140. Plus they were exceptionally tall and that was always an advantage in an era where pitches and protection weren't heavily favoured in the direction of batters. Shardul Thakur easily used his batting ability to play a lot of games for India. So did Deepak Chahar whenever he was fit....what stopped likes of Unadkut, Mukesh, Sakariya etc to work on their batting at an acceptable level...but they are too lazy and incompetent to put any effort. Edited May 1 by singhvivek141 Kron, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kron Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 24 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Absolutely Shaun Pollock, Richard Hadlee, Chris Woakes, post injury Kapil Dev, Heath Streak etc there are numerous examples in internationals. People often quote Walsh & Ambrose but Walsh was easily 135+ in his early days and Ambrose around 139-140. Plus they were exceptionally tall and that was always an advantage in an era where pitches and protection weren't heavily favoured in the direction of batters. Shardul Thakur easily used his batting ability to play a lot of games for India. So did Deepak Chahar whenever he was fit....what stopped likes of Unadkut, Mukesh, Sakariya etc to work on their batting at an acceptable level...but they are too lazy and incompetent to put any effort. Pollock until age 30 was 134 to 139 Only after that he slowed down. But he had great skills and can seam both ways ans had a decent bouncer. Plus he can bat. Same with hadlee Woakes also bowls 133 to 138. Plus he bats really well. Yep if you are a trundler MAKE SURE YOU CAN BAT AND AVERAGE MORE THAN 15 WITH THE BAT. Also you need skills if you are a trundler. Seam both ways, bouncer or a combo of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamant Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, Kron said: If you are bowling under 135 on average and you don't have the ability to bowl between 135 to 145 then quit trying to become a premium bowlers. Focus on becoming a BOwling all rounder or batting all rounder. If under 135 either forget bowling or focus on being All rounder. Otherwise get lost. Pollock, Philander, Mcgrath (for most of his career), Southee, Anderson, Broad, Garner, Asif, Zaheer(most of his career), Jamieson, Bracken, Clark, Hadlee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kron Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 27 minutes ago, Adamant said: Pollock, Philander, Mcgrath (for most of his career), Southee, Anderson, Broad, Garner, Asif, Zaheer(most of his career), Jamieson, Bracken, Clark, Hadlee Mcgrath was 134 to 140 in his prime. Same with Pollock Garner was 130 plus Jamieson also csn touch 140. Bracken is a odi bowler. Hadlee was 135 plus in his prime. Lolander is only good in specific conditions. He was trash in Asia. Anderson can touch 140 and even did as late as 2 years ago. He was 135 to 140 in his prime. So was broad. Southee is slow I agree. But he isn't an atg. Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 4 minutes ago, Adamant said: Pollock, Philander, Mcgrath (for most of his career), Southee, Anderson, Broad, Garner, Asif, Zaheer(most of his career), Jamieson, Bracken, Clark, Hadlee Waqar Younis too looked at his lethal best when he became a 135 clicks seamer with skills in his last phase. Before that when the ball was in legal shape, he looked ordinary most times. Missed his early career except him knocking down stumps of hapless gora tailenders with a ball that didn’t look like a traditional ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, Kron said: Mcgrath was 134 to 140 in his prime. McGrath, in the 1999 WC, averaged 138 k with fastest of 142 k atleast. He was a 29 year old then and playing for 5 or 6 years. 1 hour ago, Kron said: Same with Pollock Tall, bouncy and 130 to 140 k. Got a lot of xip off the deck. 1 hour ago, Kron said: Garner was 130 plus Garner was never measured. He was definitely Fast-medium. Got the ball to rear up nastily from length. 1 hour ago, Kron said: Jamieson also csn touch 140. Most of his success has been in swing friendly NZ. Plus he is really tall and bouncy. 1 hour ago, Kron said: Hadlee was 135 plus in his prime. Definitely Fast-medium in his best years. Had a vicious bumper. 1 hour ago, Kron said: Lolander is only good in specific conditions. He was trash in Asia. Philander averages around 38 in tests in Asia. 1 hour ago, Kron said: Anderson can touch 140 and even did as late as 2 years ago. He was 135 to 140 in his prime. So was broad. Anderson bowled 135 to 145 k in his quickest 3 or 4 tears and 130 to 142 k for a,very long time. Plus he is 6'2" and bouncy. Gets a lot of zip off the deck. 1 hour ago, Kron said: Southee is slow I agree. But he isn't an atg. Southee averages almost 30 in tests despite playing half the time in swing friendly NZ. Averages 33+ in ODIs We are not looking for such a bowler nowadays Mosher, Vijy, Kron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Simranjeet is impact sub can see him bowling today....?? express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 Arshdeep 1 for 52 , ER of 13 in an innings with RR of 8 I have him in my preferred WC squad. But he needs to pull up his socks. Swing has reduced upfront and yorkers have lost both accuracy and pace at the end. Mosher, Suhaan and singhvivek141 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, express bowling said: Arshdeep 1 for 52 , ER of 13 in an innings with RR of 8 I have him in my preferred WC squad. But he needs to pull up his socks. Swing has reduced upfront and yorkers have lost both accuracy and pace at the end. He is not bowling yorkers...he is just bowling full tosses after full tosses. express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, tapandrun said: Simranjeet is impact sub can see him bowling today....?? Rizvi has got in. Mosher and tapandrun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 /D.chahar walks off the field just bowling few ball. Humidity.....??? or players coming to ipls carrying injuries ....?? express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Does Deepak Chahar play domestic 50 over cricket at least? Doesn’t play first class, not sure if he plays SMAT, how does he get injured so often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, maniac said: Does Deepak Chahar play domestic 50 over cricket at least? Doesn’t play first class, not sure if he plays SMAT, how does he get injured so often? Do not think he played much 3/5 matches in smat, maniac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TellTheTruth Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 What happens if Arshdeep and Siraj struggle rest of the tournament and Mosin khan and Harshit bowl really well? I can understand Arshdeep selection but Siraj as the 3rd seemer, and khaleel and Avesh as backups ahead of Mosin Khan and harshit is very bizarre. express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKane Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, express bowling said: 4 hours ago, Kron said: Garner was 130 plus Garner was never measured. He was definitely Fast-medium. Got the ball to rear up nastily from length. Garner supposedly 6-8 had a full overarm action bowling off of his toes and the ball literally came from the skies. He averaged 20.97 for 259 wickets in tests and 18.84 for 146 wickets in ODIs. Garner had 881 FC wickets at 18.81 and 346 ListA wickets at 16.61 Mind you playing with 3 other ATG fast bowlers in tests and ODIs, they shared the easy tailender wickets getting fewer of them than say a McGrath + Lee or Waqar + Wasim. Edited May 1 by AKane Kron and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKane Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 7 minutes ago, TellTheTruth said: What happens if Arshdeep and Siraj struggle rest of the tournament and Mosin khan and Harshit bowl really well? My guess is nothing will happen. Arshdeep and Siraj are in and Mohsin and Harshit are out.... and that is that. express bowling and tapandrun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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