IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

All hogwash. Kartik was net bowler on last Aus tour. Completely forgotten after that. 

 

Not a single good pacer has come through the ranks after Siraj.

 

Whatever system they have in place at the NCA for pacer developmen  is not good enough.

[MumInd]

Delhi pacebowling stocks are looking good....

 

Mayank yadav, SImarjeet, Harshit Rana....

 

Yet the fiddle out Isant Sharma and pradeep swnagwan....

[tapandrun]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Not a single good pacer has come through the ranks after Siraj.

 

Whatever system they have in place at the NCA for pacer developmen  is not good enough.

Not NCA its Selectors and TM, if you keep recycling older bowlers, Umesh came in that SA series, Unadkat was brought in tests and now dropped and then Mukesh Kumar selected and played each format and match yet not the part of 18 members team.

Fielding, fitness standards are down, average pace of the Ind Intnl. bowlers are down.

 

 

 

 

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Just now, MumInd said:

Delhi pacebowling stocks are looking good....

 

Mayank yadav, SImarjeet, Harshit Rana....

 

Yet the fiddle out Isant Sharma and pradeep swnagwan....

 

Plus 20 year old Himanshu Chauhan.

 

 

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Just now, tapandrun said:

Not NCA its Selectors and TM, if you keep recycling older bowlers, Umesh came in that SA series, Unadkat was brought in tests and now dropped and then Mukesh Kumar selected and played each format and match yet not the part of 18 members team.

Fielding, fitness standards are down, average pace of the Ind Intnl. bowlers are down.

 

It's the whole system.

[tapandrun]

42 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

did not see simran and yudhvir today.

 

how well did they perform and I saw they touched 142k( saw highlights).

Arshdeep sardar has become a trundler who suddenly picks up and can bowl some jaffa's but in this IPL -he has been so BAD. 

I am surprised that he was picked as a pacer for world cup team.

Both Yudhvir and Simran were okay for their 1st game of the season and sitting for this long on the bench. Both have potential.

If Siram has good FC and domestic season should be tried in Odis he is able to swing white ball, same goes for Arora 

Yudhvir can bat a bit, should be asked to develop more on that skill and that would be good for him.

 

A.Singh was picked on 1 good season/1 stat  from IPL and was only shining start from PbKs and was at right place at right time, Mohsin and Mukesh Choudhary got Injured and he was only LAF to pick from. It would be like picking Shashank or Ashutosh of 1 good season for their  own standards .

 

He was sub 140 kmph to start with and then he was to take PP bowling and much of last 3/4 overs, and as usual for Ind bowlers he tried to build some pace in intnl cricket.

Then there was fading and aging  Bhuvi with him who was no where near his peak so more was rested on A.Singh and then as usual for a fast bowler he got injured.- Thats why Rana, Yadav, Tyagi (if he is high potential/have not seem him much but rated highly by some here), Umran etc should be groom till Ind has Bhumrah , Gives these guys games with Bhumrah where they can find some space if 1/2 spell does not go their way, they would have Bhumrah to cover for them or install some kind of confidence. 

 

Now he does not have same kind of yorkers or batters are ready for that and then if pitch has nothing to offer then he has nothing to rattle the batters. And he kind of regularly bowls wide and no-balls, which is becoming a usual thing with Ind bowlers. 

 

Think no-ball and wides are due to natural lack in pace, they can not bowl potent Yorkers so bowls away from batters and it req. alot of effort hence the no-balls- Could be wrong in observation but on the face of it it looks like this. 

 

Thats why not in favour of picking some1 off some weird stat - most yorkers in certain overs, most six against certain kind of bowlers, least runs during such and such overs

 

For T20 WC selection who else Ind have in fast bowling they have brought this up-on themselves, Ind is down to 1 bowler - Bhumrah. and may be Siraj.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 5, 2024 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Both Yudhvir and Simran were okay for their 1st game of the season and sitting for this long on the bench. Both have potential.

If Siram has good FC and domestic season should be tried in Odis he is able to swing white ball, same goes for Arora 

Yudhvir can bat a bit, should be asked to develop more on that skill and that would be good for him.

 

A.Singh was picked on 1 good season/1 stat  from IPL and was only shining start from PbKs and was at right place at right time, Mohsin and Mukesh Choudhary got Injured and he was only LAF to pick from. It would be like picking Shashank or Ashutosh of 1 good season for their  own standards .

 

He was sub 140 kmph to start with and then he was to take PP bowling and much of last 3/4 overs, and as usual for Ind bowlers he tried to build some pace in intnl cricket.

Then there was fading and aging  Bhuvi with him who was no where near his peak so more was rested on A.Singh and then as usual for a fast bowler he got injured.- Thats why Rana, Yadav, Tyagi (if he is high potential/have not seem him much but rated highly by some here), Umran etc should be groom till Ind has Bhumrah , Gives these guys games with Bhumrah where they can find some space if 1/2 spell does not go their way, they would have Bhumrah to cover for them or install some kind of confidence. 

 

Now he does not have same kind of yorkers or batters are ready for that and then if pitch has nothing to offer then he has nothing to rattle the batters. And he kind of regularly bowls wide and no-balls, which is becoming a usual thing with Ind bowlers. 

 

Think no-ball and wides are due to natural lack in pace, they can not bowl potent Yorkers so bowls away from batters and it req. alot of effort hence the no-balls- Could be wrong in observation but on the face of it it looks like this. 

 

Thats why not in favour of picking some1 off some weird stat - most yorkers in certain overs, most six against certain kind of bowlers, least runs during such and such overs

 

For T20 WC selection who else Ind have in fast bowling they have brought this up-on themselves, Ind is down to 1 bowler - Bhumrah. and may be Siraj.

Tyagi has the ability to bowl pin point yorkers...not the floaty wide ones by Arsh but into the wickets hitting the timber...he is prone to go for runs though and he often bowls too wide of the wicket and hence end up giving too much width or spraying the ball on the leg side for a right handed batter.

 

Apart from that he can swing the new ball, gets zip off the deck, seam as well and has a good bouncer. Plus has a good head above his shoulders and don't panic..has that give it all attitude while bowling.

 

But again, this is India and with smaller grounds even edges flow to six...

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12 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tyagi has the ability to bowl pin point yorkers...not the floaty wide ones by Arsh but into the wickets hitting the timber...he is prone to go for runs though and he often bowls too wide of the wicket and hence end up giving too much width or spraying the ball on the leg side for a right handed batter.

 

Apart from that he can swing the new ball, gets zip off the deck, seam as well and has a good bouncer. Plus has a good head above his shoulders and don't panic..has that give it all attitude while bowling.

 

But again, this is India and with smaller grounds even edges flow to six...

 

Other than India, don't think any country in the world would have tried to hinder the development of Tyagi and Umran. 

 

Frankly speaking, I don't understand the mentality that is prevalent in cricketing circles here. 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tyagi has the ability to bowl pin point yorkers...not the floaty wide ones by Arsh but into the wickets hitting the timber...he is prone to go for runs though and he often bowls too wide of the wicket and hence end up giving too much width or spraying the ball on the leg side for a right handed batter.

 

Apart from that he can swing the new ball, gets zip off the deck, seam as well and has a good bouncer. Plus has a good head above his shoulders and don't panic..has that give it all attitude while bowling.

 

But again, this is India and with smaller grounds even edges flow to six...

Apart from Aus, all the grounds are small. The lack of intent to groom high potential bowler is at next level in Ind cricket. 

 

Tyagi and Umran are losing time now, atleast Umran is in fast bowlers contract list, Tyagi is no where. These kind of bowlers do not have much time and longer they play in domestics worse they get.

 

Tyagi, Umran needs to be in Ind side by this year else, they may play for Ind bt not sure if that would be their prime. 

All new Ind fast bowlers are losing their pace in mid 20s when they should be at their prime and quickest - Mavi , Avesh, A.Singh are example of this.

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2024 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

39 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Other than India, don't think any country in the world would have tried to hinder the development of Tyagi and Umran. 

 

Frankly speaking, I don't understand the mentality that is prevalent in cricketing circles here. 

Yes not sure how any why so many low potential fast bowlers make it to IPL playing 11s and Ind team.

Two genuine 145+ kmph bowlers sitting out for aging bowlers who are conceding similar amount or runs as these would go for.

 

There has to be some reason, all TM and selectors, IPL teams are not playing these kind of bowlers there has to be some reason.

They are not good enough...?? Even if true then the other who are picked are not that good either 

[singhvivek141]

57 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Yes not sure how any why so many low potential fast bowlers make it to IPL playing 11s and Ind team.

Two genuine 145+ kmph bowlers sitting out for aging bowlers who are conceding similar amount or runs as these would go for.

 

There has to be some reason, all TM and selectors, IPL teams are not playing these kind of bowlers there has to be some reason.

They are not good enough...?? Even if true then the other who are picked are not that good either 

If they are also not good enough, then our fast bowling future is doomed. We are finished as a bowling nation and all we will have is mediocre batters who won't bowl coz they will get injured. We will be back in the 70's when Bedi, Prasanna, Venkatesh & Chandra were ruling. 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Other than India, don't think any country in the world would have tried to hinder the development of Tyagi and Umran. 

 

Frankly speaking, I don't understand the mentality that is prevalent in cricketing circles here. 

We need folks who back fast bowling.

 

As we have Bumrah, every cricket analyst/expert in the BCCI is relaxed that Bumrah will manage everything. All the Siraj's, Jadeja's etc just have to be economical and Bumrah will save all of us in every game when the pressure is on.

 

BCCI in short is a typical dihati mentality team. They might be richest in terms of money, but they behave like those rich farmers who have Mercedes and Audi in their homes but they still go in fields to do the nature calls.

[Sandz]

IPL is a private business, they don’t want to spend time and resources on developing young fast bowlers or batsmen so that they can just move on to a different franchise for a higher pay packet, it’s all about instant gains and the bottom line and nothing else for them.

 

It’s up to BCCI to ensure development of young players, but BCCI is worse than PCB!

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2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

We need folks who back fast bowling.

 

As we have Bumrah, every cricket analyst/expert in the BCCI is relaxed that Bumrah will manage everything. All the Siraj's, Jadeja's etc just have to be economical and Bumrah will save all of us in every game when the pressure is on.

 

BCCI in short is a typical dihati mentality team. They might be richest in terms of money, but they behave like those rich farmers who have Mercedes and Audi in their homes but they still go in fields to do the nature calls.

 

The agenda is to maintain / develop some stars who will bring in the crowds / spectators which converts to money. 

 

Team India winning or developing high quality bowlers for the future is not that important to them.  Some white ball batting stars will serve their purpose.

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

The agenda is to maintain / develop some stars who will bring in the crowds / spectators which converts to money. 

 

Team India winning or developing high quality bowlers for the future is not that important to them.  Some white ball batting stars will serve their purpose.

or some 120 kph trundlers

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6 minutes ago, Vijy said:

or some 120 kph trundlers

 

 

120 kph trundlers don't serve any primary purpose. 

 

They only serve the secondary purpose of not taking away the limelight from the superstar batsmen. 

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Bumrah  2nd over

 

144

144

141

145

139 ... OUT

143

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Anshul Kamboj   bowling 132 to 138 k.

[tapandrun]

Kamboj looks slippery, some tennis ball like action and transitions  

[tapandrun]

 

 

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

The agenda is to maintain / develop some stars who will bring in the crowds / spectators which converts to money. 

 

Team India winning or developing high quality bowlers for the future is not that important to them.  Some white ball batting stars will serve their purpose.

There is high potential for Batters' marketability,  its longterm and only requires initial investments and once that is done boards are sorted for long time.

May be couple of decades in some cases, older a batter gets more marketable he is. Dhoni and Sachin are example.

 

With bowlers first not every bowler is marketable, secondly even when a board do a initial investments on a bowlers they are not sure if that would last even 5 years and older the bowler gets less marketable they are.

 

And in all Ind cricketing set-up has no idea how to care for a bowler, before Sastri and Kolhi they did not had any idea how to create a pace attack