rkt.india Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, speedheat said: Silly excuses again, law should be amended to permit AAP to launch its scheme. Not the first time that they have stopped this scheme. Modi is a misogynist who is Fighting for his EGO. And the People are being Short Changed of the Services Promised to them. But why jab center already giving free ration? You think Aap is going to do this out of their own pocket. No. They would just stick their name on ration given by center. Edited June 29, 2021 by rkt.india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: But why jab center already giving free ration? So? Centre de Rahi hai to state ne nahi Dena chahiye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Let Delhi first implement’One Nation One Ration Card’ as directed by SC, and not do bickering politics with ration which is already being implemented with transparency with FPS. Pehle apna kaam karein, dosron ki kaam pe taang adana band karein. Once an anarchist, always an anarchist Trichromatic and speedheat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 10 hours ago, speedheat said: So? Centre de Rahi hai to state ne nahi Dena chahiye? And which problem will it solve? Who has stopped state from launching it's own scheme? coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 hours ago, speedheat said: So? Centre de Rahi hai to state ne nahi Dena chahiye? AAP isn't going to do this out of their pocket. They will just stick their name on ration given by center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: AAP isn't going to do this out of their pocket. They will just stick their name on ration given by center. That's the modus operandi of AAP. They just try to claim credit of someone else's work. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 12 hours ago, speedheat said: Then amend the law and allow AAP to launch this scheme. Kisi Gareeb ka Bhala ho to ye to dekh nahi Sakta fenkuchand. Which law prevents AAP from launching their own scheme? coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, rkt.india said: AAP isn't going to do this out of their pocket. They will just stick their name on ration given by center. As if centre is giving it from their pocket. Petrol ka rate dekha hai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Which law prevents AAP from launching their own scheme? Apart from this they have given series of hilarious reasons to curb this scheme. Watch Manish Sisodias video on first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, speedheat said: Apart from this they have given series of hilarious reasons to curb this scheme. Watch Manish Sisodias video on first page. Which law prevents AAP from launching their scheme of procuring ration and distributing it to people? AFAIK State govt is free to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 @speedheat why isn't AAP govt launching their scheme? Any reasons you're aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: State govt is free to do it. Free to do it ? Then why the hell they stopped it ? You should ask this question to bhajpayees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, speedheat said: Apart from this they have given series of hilarious reasons to curb this scheme. Watch Manish Sisodias video on first page. Watched the video. 1. Has the proposal been rejected as claimed by Sisodia. AAP didn't get approval from centre. 2. Isn't he lying when he claims that only state can decide the distribution method. Remaining objections - Sisodia is making fun of loopholes highlighted. Whenever govt launches a scheme, it has to consider all aspects related to implementation. How is it comparable to pizza and amazon delivery? For pizza and amazon, people place orders hours or days before and can get it anywhere. Same isn't case with ration where person has a fixed address and that has to be used unlike amazon where you can add 10 addresses and use any one of those for any item. 3. Why will centre ask about pricing? It has to be mentioned in the scheme. It's not small household work. What's funny about raising objection related to missing price? 4. No mention of how it will be handled for people who changed address? - Is it really funny? Seems like valid concern. 5. Recently I ordered AC from amazon and they didn't refused to deliver it to 2nd floor saying that it's not mentioned in the adddress. They said that if I had mentioned 2nd floor, they would have sent another person to help with it. How does this scheme ensure delivery at different floors? Isn't this basic implementation detail where delivery guy will have clear instruction what needs to done. 6. Even in our project work, when we try to deploy to production, we are asked to fill details of fall back option and impact in case it fails. Why is it funny, if centre asks for details of fallback mechanism? What if vehicle doesn't work? What are the options for people in that case? 7. What will happen if biometric verification doesn't work in an area? How will it be handled? Overall it's central scheme, so it's responsibility of centre to ensure that if there are any changes, then it still fulfills purpose of the scheme. AAP tried to rename the scheme to claim for central scheme without adding implementation details. So, Delhi govt should have taken approval from central govt which they didn't. speedheat and bharathh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, speedheat said: Free to do it ? Then why the hell they stopped it ? You should ask this question to bhajpayees What is "it" in your question? Where did AAP try to launch their scheme of procuring and distributing materials? AAP is free to launch their own scheme. But what AAP wants is to modify central scheme and put their own label on it. AAP is not free to modify central scheme without their approval. This is a question for you only because you want some law to be ammended. Which law prevents it and which law should be ammended? I hope you have answer for this question also. 31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: @speedheat why isn't AAP govt launching their scheme? Any reasons you're aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: @speedheat why isn't AAP govt launching their scheme? Any reasons you're aware of? He won't answer any questions... just keep parroting the same points he started with - even if it makes no sense. For example - I will state why this scheme makes no sense - but he will say there are no good reasons even then: 1. Ration shops are meant to be last mile endpoints for the general population. They are centralized silos for distribution. Things like identity of the people availing rations etc can be better managed there with something as simple as a security camera (although of course this can be gamed). In a place where they are against things like NRC - how are they planning to ensure proper delivery of rations to the correct person outside? 2. Door to door delivery requires delivery ppl and logistical operations - sophisticated ones. Who foots the bill for all this? Has this been budgeted for by the state govt? Does AAP have a plan to budget for this? Who manages the logistics of delivery - esp perishable items? Who ensures there is no wastage or leakage? Who ensures there is no hoarding? The govt did a piss poor job of something as unwieldy as oxygen cylinders. Delhi had the most amount of black marketeering. AAP wanted 3-4x oxygen of other states like Maharashtra. Do they have any processes to handle all this? Probably not. 3. Ration shops are already a loss making initiative for the govt. A necessary initiative for the poor. Why make an already loss making initiative worse? Again who foots the bill? Is this budgeted for? Why should the center pay for the hair brained schemes of a state govt that says they have no power to effect any change and Who keep passing the buck to the center all the time. Also - for all those saying that the central govt is making a big deal about process and the role of central vs state govt - these are the same who cried about death of democracy when the farm laws were pushed through. They could find nothing wrong with the laws - other than the fact that farming should be a state prerogative. Edited June 30, 2021 by bharathh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: AAP is not free to modify central scheme without their approval. 5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: AAP is free to launch their own scheme. But what AAP wants is to modify central scheme and put their own label on it. I see no harm if they want to modify central scheme, centre should stop acting like hurdle. AAP Goa. Anf Andhra has already launched similar scheme, 9 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: This is a question for you only because you want some law to be ammended. Which law prevents it and which law should be ammended Some sort of food and security law, link posted by coffee rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, speedheat said: I see no harm if they want to modify central scheme, centre should stop acting like hurdle. AAP Goa. Anf Andhra has already launched similar scheme, Some sort of food and security law, link posted by coffee rules Same link says that state if free to launch their own scheme, but can't modify the central scheme on their own. So, please share reasons why AAP isn't launching their own scheme. Still waiting for that. I too think it's ok to modify central scheme, but I don't see any harm in asking for centre's approval which AAP didn't. I find Sisodia lying in the video and whatever he is saying is funny is valid concern. So, following questions for you: 1. Share reasons why AAP isn't launching their own scheme. 2. Share reason for attempt label central scheme as their own. 3. Share reason for not seeking central approval? 3. Share reason for not including pricing in the scheme. What's the excuse for modifying the scheme and excluding pricing? Isn't that one of the key point of ration scheme - to provide essentials at fair set price? Would you be ok if AAP charges higher price? Since it's not in the scheme, no one can dispute it either. 4. Share reasons for not including fallback options and provisions for people who changed address. Are you ware of options? 5. What if a person isn't at home when vehicle comes to the area? With shops, people are free to go to there anyday when they have time. I hope you can answer all these points separately as you seem to so sure about everything. Scheme in Andhra is already approved even by court and isn't same as Delhi govt scheme. They have MDU, where it doesn't guarantee doorstep delivery. MDU vehicles go to an area and people collect the material from vehicle. Additionally prices are same as what has been set by centre. It's like smaller unit of fair point shop, instead of door to door delivery option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 15 hours ago, coffee_rules said: AAP Govt wouldn’t provide ration to outgoing migrant workers and left them to die on roads. But wants to home deliver daaru. Laanat hain How there is laanat hain here oh holier than all hindi speaker? So migrant workers suffered during covid lockdown and Delhi govt did not or could not provide them free food travel arrangement etc till their home towns OK and did center admonish them and immediately came in to fill the gap heroically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 What if delivery van breaks down or there's traffic: AAP lists Centre’s ‘funny excuses' to stall ration scheme https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesnownews.com/amp/delhi/article/what-if-delivery-van-breaks-down-or-theres-traffic-aap-lists-centre-s-funny-excuses-to-stall-ration-scheme/774911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, speedheat said: What if delivery van breaks down or there's traffic: AAP lists Centre’s ‘funny excuses' to stall ration scheme https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesnownews.com/amp/delhi/article/what-if-delivery-van-breaks-down-or-theres-traffic-aap-lists-centre-s-funny-excuses-to-stall-ration-scheme/774911 How are those reasons funny? 35 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Watched the video. 1. Has the proposal been rejected as claimed by Sisodia. AAP didn't get approval from centre. 2. Isn't he lying when he claims that only state can decide the distribution method. Remaining objections - Sisodia is making fun of loopholes highlighted. Whenever govt launches a scheme, it has to consider all aspects related to implementation. How is it comparable to pizza and amazon delivery? For pizza and amazon, people place orders hours or days before and can get it anywhere. Same isn't case with ration where person has a fixed address and that has to be used unlike amazon where you can add 10 addresses and use any one of those for any item. 3. Why will centre ask about pricing? It has to be mentioned in the scheme. It's not small household work. What's funny about raising objection related to missing price? 4. No mention of how it will be handled for people who changed address? - Is it really funny? Seems like valid concern. 5. Recently I ordered AC from amazon and they didn't refused to deliver it to 2nd floor saying that it's not mentioned in the adddress. They said that if I had mentioned 2nd floor, they would have sent another person to help with it. How does this scheme ensure delivery at different floors? Isn't this basic implementation detail where delivery guy will have clear instruction what needs to done. 6. Even in our project work, when we try to deploy to production, we are asked to fill details of fall back option and impact in case it fails. Why is it funny, if centre asks for details of fallback mechanism? What if vehicle doesn't work? What are the options for people in that case? 7. What will happen if biometric verification doesn't work in an area? How will it be handled? Overall it's central scheme, so it's responsibility of centre to ensure that if there are any changes, then it still fulfills purpose of the scheme. AAP tried to rename the scheme to claim for central scheme without adding implementation details. So, Delhi govt should have taken approval from central govt which they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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