SKY, Hardik and pant vs Slow Left arm spinners

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

Rishabh pant vs SLA 

 

18 innings

74 runs 

9 avg 

123 s/r 

 

Hardik pandya

12 innings

42 runs

21 avg

91 s/r 

 

Thats one of the chink i hve been talking about SKY game 

 

SLA becoming a pain in Arse now 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

Virat kohli 

 

35 innings

307 runs 

102 avg

117 s/r 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rishabh pant vs SLA 

 

18 innings

74 runs 

9 avg 

123 s/r 

 

Hardik pandya

12 innings

42 runs

21 avg

91 s/r 

 

pant and hardik numbers are only international 

 

SKY international t20 numbers against SLA 

12 innings

77 runs

25 avg

113 s/r 

[vvvslaxman]

Gone are the days where spinners would be terrified of bowling to India in LOIs.  Nowadays it is the go to strategy for opposition to choke us.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Gone are the days where spinners would be terrified of bowling to India in LOIs.  Nowadays it is the go to strategy for opposition to choke us.

Gone are the days when spinners used to flight the ball for Indian batsmen to come down the track and hit them for sixes. Now they are flat and quick and shorter hardly giving any chance to hit from the front foot.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Pakistan actually missed a trick by not bringing Imad wasim, he wud have been a pain for our top 3 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Gone are the days when spinners used to flight the ball for Indian batsmen to come down the track and hit them for sixes. Now they are flat and quick and shorter hardly giving any chance to hit from the front foot.

 

Not entirely true. Jayasuriya was not really a floaty left arm spinner. He was a fast round arm darter. None of the modern spinner can bowl at a pace at which Afridi could bowl. India totally dominated him.

[Ankit_sharma03]

but its just not us

 

Babar

Rizwan

livingstone

bairstrow 

 

they all slow down when they see SLA 

[vvvslaxman]

25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

but its just not us

 

Babar

Rizwan

livingstone

bairstrow 

 

they all slow down when they see SLA 

 

Moeen Ali is probably an exception. He has clean striking ability against them.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Moeen Ali is probably an exception. He has clean striking ability against them.

one of the best hitters of spin currently in world cricket 

[putrevus]

49 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Gone are the days when spinners used to flight the ball for Indian batsmen to come down the track and hit them for sixes. Now they are flat and quick and shorter hardly giving any chance to hit from the front foot.

So how come our spinners are not able to do the same to other teams.Back foot game is missing from many Indian batsman and lack of sweep shot is not helping either.

[putrevus]

46 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Not entirely true. Jayasuriya was not really a floaty left arm spinner. He was a fast round arm darter. None of the modern spinner can bowl at a pace at which Afridi could bowl. India totally dominated him.

Jayasurya was the reason why SL won 1996 semi finals.Indian simply could not handle his bowling.

[Ankit_sharma03]

I didnt check KL and rohit lekin unka bhi bura haal hoga 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, putrevus said:

So how come our spinners are not able to do the same to other teams.Back foot game is missing from many Indian batsman and lack of sweep shot is not helping either.

 

Overall quality against spin has regressed. Few guys play. Many struggle. A reason why so many leggies are in top 10 ranking. Left arm spinners can be targeted. You need to get set for a few balls something you don't get in T20. You cannot eat up balls.  Pant attacks the same left arm spinners in Tests better. Reason is he has time to get set, judge the pace of the pitch, find some rhythm.  For left handers it is supposed to be easier. We assume the bowler is bowling orthodox left arm spin. That is not the case anymore. They come round the wicket fires it down the off side of left hander. It goes with the angle.  So you need to have both off side and on side game to dominate them.

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Moeen Ali is probably an exception. He has clean striking ability against them.

He has looked so much at ease even against ashwin which for a leftie is not easy

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Jayasurya was the reason why SL won 1996 semi finals.Indian simply could not handle his bowling.

 

That was a terrible pitch. He was not the only one who made things happen. Even part timer Aravinda was looking deadly.  Tendulkar was unruffled though. 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He has looked so much at ease even against ashwin which for a leftie is not easy

 

That old conventional dancing down the wicket helps him.  If you float he comes down. If you fire he is perpared too with slog sweep.

[putrevus]

23 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Overall quality against spin has regressed. Few guys play. Many struggle. A reason why so many leggies are in top 10 ranking. Left arm spinners can be targeted. You need to get set for a few balls something you don't get in T20. You cannot eat up balls.  Pant attacks the same left arm spinners in Tests better. Reason is he has time to get set, judge the pace of the pitch, find some rhythm.  For left handers it is supposed to be easier. We assume the bowler is bowling orthodox left arm spin. That is not the case anymore. They come round the wicket fires it down the off side of left hander. It goes with the angle.  So you need to have both off side and on side game to dominate them.

If that was the case , Indian left arm spinners would be having very good success. But starting from Jadeja to Axar have not done that great. Axar is still WIP. IMO Axar will do well due to his bowling style and height.

 

To do well against SLA, you should have a back foot game and sweep. Both are not neccassary but they need to have one of them. Sehwag is prime example he ate them for lunch, he could walk down wicket and loft them or rock back and play cut shot. I would not call Sehwag a master in sweep shot.

 

Ganguly was one of main reason why India did well against SLA.He would feast on them. Pant is still hit and miss.

[putrevus]

36 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

That was a terrible pitch. He was not the only one who made things happen. Even part timer Aravinda was looking deadly.  Tendulkar was unruffled though. 

They scored runs on the same pitch.Kumble was there , he was master on those pitches.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They scored runs on the same pitch.Kumble was there , he was master on those pitches.

 

Pitch got worse in the second half. Having said that Aravinda De silva is one of the ATG against spin. He was master of using depth of the crease against spin.