Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Slide started with Russia Ukraine War... Then India's stand wasn't liked one bit by West & they made no secret of it. Russia lover Imraand getting Kicked out of Pak... Pakistani General Bajawa has all the credit for dumping pro Russia Imran Khan, getting Zawahiri killed thanks to intelligence and provide war stores to Ukraine. He has been given a red carpet welcome in Pentagon after a lapse of 6 years. US upped the ante with F16 deal with Pak which probably was a biggest blow in years to India US relations probably. Jaishankar's statements do not exactly present a rosy picture too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 For US Visa, Over 2-Year Wait For New Delhi, Just 2 Days For Beijing https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-visa-appointment-wait-time-the-shocking-difference-for-indians-3387535 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) Anti India official statements... PoK vista Calling it AJK now too Edited October 8, 2022 by Lone Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Doesn't matter. Very much matters.... South Asia is back to Pre 2001 days This was the last time large scale military aids were supplied to padosis. Signs are there's more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) Brace yourself folks... This is gonna be a big test for our agencies Edited October 8, 2022 by Lone Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 This was just after Jaishankar's visit https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/us-imposes-sanction-against-indian-petrochemical-company-for-allegedly-clandestine-iran-oil-purchases/article65954738.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 32 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Very much matters.... South Asia is back to Pre 2001 days This was the last time large scale military aids were supplied to padosis. Signs are there's more to come. Rather devlop ourselves and worry about the admiration of usa,if they want to have pak by their sides let them have it we need to focus on our devlopement and our needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Very much matters.... South Asia is back to Pre 2001 days This was the last time large scale military aids were supplied to padosis. Signs are there's more to come. Nah. This is just tactical pivots. Fundamentally India is planning for a multi polar world. India will not become vassal state for US. We have resisted that temptation and pressure when we had no money or leverage. Today India knows that it can balance it's interest and principles. Biden govt is most likely going to get hammered in mid terms. Even if they do okay. There could be change of guard in 2024. Pakistan as a country is spiralling. If they think this kind of signalling is going to put India under stress, it won't. India will be cornered in coming days by US and EU. But come 2024, we will see a reset again. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, vayuu1 said: Rather devlop ourselves and worry about the admiration of usa,if they want to have pak by their sides let them have it we need to focus on our devlopement and our needs It isn't that easy... We are in a very critical juncture as of now. Our IT sector is totally reliant on US. We have always known about US Pak.. Anti India nexus. The ideal situation for US is a chaotic subcontinent with a strong but not supreme India so that India can help it by taking some burden regarding China without ever fully having complete control over the subcontinent. It's a win-win situation for US. Once they knock down China, they will use Pakistan against India. But for that to happen, Pakistani has to "exist". So, their support to Pak will continue unless India makes it extremely costly for the US—unless it's something very out of the box, there's no cost we can impose on them in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Nah. This is just tactical pivots. Fundamentally India is planning for a multi polar world. India will not become vassal state for US. We have resisted that temptation and pressure when we had no money or leverage. Today India knows that it can balance it's interest and principles. Biden govt is most likely going to get hammered in mid terms. Even if they do okay. There could be change of guard in 2024. Pakistan as a country is spiralling. If they think this kind of signalling is going to put India under stress, it won't. India will be cornered in coming days by US and EU. But come 2024, we will see a reset again. This is the Deep State doing.... No matter who comes it's clear what path US is on. Once they are done with Russia they are coming for both China/India in their own way. Puppet thing didn't worked with us. That's how the US rolls - transactional relationship. The reason why Japan and the UK get ignored for all their flaws is that they agree to become a doormat to the policymakers in DC. They expect some bit of it from us as well. While we won't be a doormat, we have to find a way to ensure our strategic autonomy, combined with deft commercial transactions that put their ego at ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: This is the Deep State doing.... No matter who comes it's clear what path US is on. Once they are done with Russia they are coming for both China/India in their own way. Puppet thing didn't worked with us. That's how the US rolls - transactional relationship. The reason why Japan and the UK get ignored for all their flaws is that they agree to become a doormat to the policymakers in DC. They expect some bit of it from us as well. While we won't be a doormat, we have to find a way to ensure our strategic autonomy, combined with deft commercial transactions that put their ego at ease. If US can risk India China and Russia axis. It's endgame for them. Rare Earth. Energy. Supply chain. Demography. It's all here. I have seen how EU is grovelling to their masters in US. India won't do it. I can assure you. India didn't do it when we had people dying out if hunger on the streets. It won't do it now. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 This is classic Zbigniew Brezinski doctrine to ensure there is never another superpower that can challenge the US hegemony, hence their decades long strategic program to hamstring Russia, China and India, in that order. Lol at Multipolar... US won't ever allow this especially with the resources & long term planning they have got. Interesting times ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 US are in some ways transparent ba####s and bullies. The way to fight a bully is not by giving in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: If US can risk India China and Russia axis. It's endgame for them. Rare Earth. Energy. Supply chain. Demography. It's all here. I have seen how EU is grovelling to their masters in US. India won't do it. I can assure you. India didn't do it when we had people dying out if hunger on the streets. It won't do it now. Chinese trade is already at the mercy of the US and always has been. People here think that China made an imaginary enemy of the US in the 1940s (that became real with time) but the way the chinese see it, at the eve of them forming their nation post civil war, they look to the sea and see US military presence in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan & Phillipines.... it sure looks like a noose around the neck of China, a noose USA can tighten at any moment. Same way they have got Pakistan with India. The Grand strategy is very well made... And Uncle Sam has played the long game perfectly so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Chinese trade is already at the mercy of the US and always has been. People here think that China made an imaginary enemy of the US in the 1940s (that became real with time) but the way the chinese see it, at the eve of them forming their nation post civil war, they look to the sea and see US military presence in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan & Phillipines.... it sure looks like a noose around the neck of China, a noose USA can tighten at any moment. Same way they have got Pakistan with India. The Grand strategy is very well made... And Uncle Sam has played the long game perfectly so far. Yup. The grand strategy also involved letting China become $ 20 Trn economy capturing key rare earth land in South America and Africa. US is still leading power but not the undisputed leader of free world. It’s natural for those who have lived their lives under US hegemony to have them as favorites. But I don’t think so. It will be complex and be played at different levels. Saudis have also recognized it and turned up pressure on US by reducing supplies and jacking up prices. I agree. India has to hedge its bets. But India has no options with Russia. Depending on what happens with the war, India can do the pivot. But these recent provocations from US, I take with pinch of salt. Strategically both countries have much in common. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 On expected lines, the deep state is what defines US admin policy. They are still stuck in 1972 Nixon era. Whatever overtures from Trump admin did towards India, the ecosystem is still anti-Ndia Biden had made it clear before elections with some statements on Kashmir. It can go more downhill Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 folks are reading way too much into tweets and minor signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, sandeep said: folks are reading way too much into tweets and minor signals. Have u seen the kind of hero's welcome Bajwa got in Pentagon?? Both CIA & ISI working out together to kill Zawahiri. More funding to Pak. Brand new 450m$ F16 deal... Calling out India & giving anti India messaging. Only thing left is carrying out some sh*** in India via Nexus/NGOs & Anti India elements run by Papa US. Blinken talking about "Subnational diplomacy" with India... Internal matters mai ghusna inko... Toolkit activation 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, MultiB48 said: We need a full on war with pak nukes and all,enough of their nonsense,this aint a game. Missed the bus on Feb 29 2019... When Pakistani jets infiltrated our lands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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