Off spin

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Yeah, I want Sundar to replace Axar too for variety. But still he'll remain a backup to Jaddu.

 

To be in first XI, he has to either increase hitting or develop variations. Is an average fielder too generally so that goes against him.

 

But not even having him in squad will put India in a spot when they are up against a side that has too many lefties. Fakar zaman and Imam two lefties.

 

Fakhar Zaman

 

vs off spinners   avge 34  strike rate 82.79

vs left arm spinners avge 66.16 strike rate 115.07

 

Imam Ul Haq

 

 

vs off spinners avge 43.44  strike rate 75.92

vs left arm spinners  avge 37.80 strike rate 92.64

 

In case if the pitch looks turning track and if we go with 3 spinners it will be Kuldeep, Jadeja, Axar. That will be a catastrophe if the opposition is loaded with lefties.

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

But not even having him in squad will put India in a spot when they are up against a side that has too many lefties. Fakar zaman and Imam two lefties.

 

Fakhar Zaman

 

vs off spinners   avge 34  strike rate 82.79

vs left arm spinners avge 66.16 strike rate 115.07

 

Imam Ul Haq

 

 

vs off spinners avge 43.44  strike rate 75.92

vs left arm spinners  avge 37.80 strike rate 92.64

 

In case if the pitch looks turning track and if we go with 3 spinners it will be Kuldeep, Jadeja, Axar. That will be a catastrophe if the opposition is loaded with lefties.

 

 

I think we'll go Kuldeep and Jaddu only. Tilak can be played for offspin allrounder role.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

I think we'll go Kuldeep and Jaddu only. Tilak can be played for offspin allrounder role.

 

Tilak will not play for sure ahead of other seniors.  His record as a batsman is not really proven let alone bowler.  He is definite an option for the future. For current world cup we shouldn't bank on him.  

[tweaker]

As the selectors have taken risk and selected Tilak in the squad,Parag who has been in outstanding form in the recent Doedhar trophy with almost 350 runs and 11 wickets can be considered.

 

He single handedly bought East zone to the final with 2 100s and 95 in the final.

Most of the time East zone top order has collapsed and he had helped East zone to huge total.

 

He is ideal for the current late middle order with aggressive batting, can bowl overs of offspin and is also good fielder.

 

If the selectors can select half fit players who are certain to miss most matches, its prudent to select young players .

 

Rahul is unfit,is top order batsman and makeshift wicket keeper whereas Parag fits the main criteria of late order batsman who cam bowl offspin ,who are not represented in the squad

[mani sha]

2 hours ago, tweaker said:

As the selectors have taken risk and selected Tilak in the squad,Parag who has been in outstanding form in the recent Doedhar trophy with almost 350 runs and 11 wickets can be considered.

 

He single handedly bought East zone to the final with 2 100s and 95 in the final.

Most of the time East zone top order has collapsed and he had helped East zone to huge total.

 

He is ideal for the current late middle order with aggressive batting, can bowl overs of offspin and is also good fielder.

 

If the selectors can select half fit players who are certain to miss most matches, its prudent to select young players .

 

Rahul is unfit,is top order batsman and makeshift wicket keeper whereas Parag fits the main criteria of late order batsman who cam bowl offspin ,who are not represented in the squad

True 

 

it’s truly astounding how they keep on selecting unfit players 

 

Tilak offspin was ok . Don’t see him half as good as sundar who bowls from a good height and pace . 
imo it’s criminal to not have sundar or ashwin in World Cup .prefer sundar as he is left handed and imparts real depth . 
 

a late order with jaddu at 6 , hardick 7 and sundar at 8 is really strong for any pitch 

add kuldeep , Shami and siraj / bumrah and u have a strong bowling lineup 

 

rohit , gill , Kohli , ishan , sky  / Ayer are good for top 5 

 

I would encourage Ayer to bowl too . Think he bowls legspin . In asia cup even rohit needs to bowl . 

[BacktoCricaddict]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

But not even having him in squad will put India in a spot when they are up against a side that has too many lefties. Fakar zaman and Imam two lefties.

 

Fakhar Zaman

 

vs off spinners   avge 34  strike rate 82.79

vs left arm spinners avge 66.16 strike rate 115.07

 

Imam Ul Haq

 

 

vs off spinners avge 43.44  strike rate 75.92

vs left arm spinners  avge 37.80 strike rate 92.64

 

In case if the pitch looks turning track and if we go with 3 spinners it will be Kuldeep, Jadeja, Axar. That will be a catastrophe if the opposition is loaded with lefties.

 

 

I am the biggest Washington Sundar fan out there, but to be fair, I think he needs to prove his form before being thrown to the wolves (as should Iyer and KLR, but that's a different story). From what I have seen recently, Washington seems a bit insipid and just not there yet, esp with his batting.  Great talent and temperament, but the injuries/illnesses have set him back. On the flipside, he is young and already on the radar, so if he can get things turned around quickly, he should be in contention for the 24T20WC.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Mhambrey said they were going to work on increasing bowling workloads for Tilak and Jaiswal.

 

I hope we see all the batters working on their bowling skills as well and get a few overs in the Asia Cup and the Australia series. They should all bowl off spin/leg spin

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, tweaker said:

As the selectors have taken risk and selected Tilak in the squad,Parag who has been in outstanding form in the recent Doedhar trophy with almost 350 runs and 11 wickets can be considered.

 

He single handedly bought East zone to the final with 2 100s and 95 in the final.

Most of the time East zone top order has collapsed and he had helped East zone to huge total.

 

He is ideal for the current late middle order with aggressive batting, can bowl overs of offspin and is also good fielder.

 

If the selectors can select half fit players who are certain to miss most matches, its prudent to select young players .

 

Rahul is unfit,is top order batsman and makeshift wicket keeper whereas Parag fits the main criteria of late order batsman who cam bowl offspin ,who are not represented in the squad

Parag's selection was absolutely warranted. He's performed with both bat and ball in the Deodhar Trophy and has a skillset that is completely missing in the rest of the country. Not sure how he doesn't get a chance ahead of SKY

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Parag's selection was absolutely warranted. He's performed with both bat and ball in the Deodhar Trophy and has a skillset that is completely missing in the rest of the country. Not sure how he doesn't get a chance ahead of SKY

 

Exactly.  It's not like he just emerged on the scene and this is the first demonstration of his ability. The guy has been showing flashes for several years now, but was inconsistent.  He seems to have put it all together (at the right time in the right format), is in great form and riding high on confidence. Moreover, the WC is in India and there is no argument like "he can't play swing or bounce" or whatever. And what's the risk in bringing him in for the Asia cup? If he clicks big, he's a huge asset.  If not go back to Plan A for the WC, whatever that plan was.  The selectors took chances with Tilak Varma and it paid off. Why not do the same with this guy?

[mani sha]

22 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Exactly.  It's not like he just emerged on the scene and this is the first demonstration of his ability. The guy has been showing flashes for several years now, but was inconsistent.  He seems to have put it all together (at the right time in the right format), is in great form and riding high on confidence. Moreover, the WC is in India and there is no argument like "he can't play swing or bounce" or whatever. And what's the risk in bringing him in for the Asia cup? If he clicks big, he's a huge asset.  If not go back to Plan A for the WC, whatever that plan was.  The selectors took chances with Tilak Varma and it paid off. Why not do the same with this guy?

Selectors are not so flexible I guess .players like Parag’s , sundar not given enough chances . 
 

parag or sundar needed to be in asia cup with verma. 

[Nikhil_cric]

On 8/24/2023 at 7:12 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Exactly.  It's not like he just emerged on the scene and this is the first demonstration of his ability. The guy has been showing flashes for several years now, but was inconsistent.  He seems to have put it all together (at the right time in the right format), is in great form and riding high on confidence. Moreover, the WC is in India and there is no argument like "he can't play swing or bounce" or whatever. And what's the risk in bringing him in for the Asia cup? If he clicks big, he's a huge asset.  If not go back to Plan A for the WC, whatever that plan was.  The selectors took chances with Tilak Varma and it paid off. Why not do the same with this guy?

There's a rotten culture where selectors just look at the weight of runs scored to select players rather than look at ability to counter - attack etc.

 

Just listen to former selectors like Brijesh Patel , Srikkanth and coaches like Shastri. They are very dumb, arrogant and caught up in their own hype and just go about with oft-repeated cliches etc. 

 

That '83 WC winning generation should be permanently gagged from saying anything in the media or given positions of power.

 

Parag's failures in the IPL have nothing to do with 50 overs cricket.

 

Deodhar is supposed to be the premier List A tournament in the country. If performances don't count there and they think the standard is not good enough for selection , why hold the stupid tournament in the first place?

 

Just allow players to play in franchises and improve their games and get recognition. 

 

But these dinosaurs will neither let our young cricketers play in those leagues , nor will they bring about changes to domestic nor select based on current domestic system.

 

It's a **** system run by a **** board full of shitty, incompetent people who are only good for swallowing dhoklas like Jay Shah, who run it like their personal fiefdoms.

 

 

 

 

[bowl_out]

On 8/22/2023 at 11:06 PM, tweaker said:

Instead of Axar ,Ashwin should have been in the squad. He could have even make it in the place of any of 6 man pace attack or 3 wicket keeper batsman

Exactly what I mentioned in another thread. With Jadeja almost guaranteed a spot in the XI, Axar is redundant.  One of Ashwin or Thakur should play as the bowler who can bat at 8 depending on the kind of pitch

[bowl_out]

On 8/23/2023 at 11:17 AM, Gollum said:

Ashwin's white ball career is done, some of you need to make peace with it.

 

 

Fair enough.  Not exactly outrage,  but even the thought of Ashwin as a possibility for the WC squad comes because of two reasons.

 

1. Axar is redundant because Jadeja has a guaranteed spot whether or not we like it

2. The WC is happening in India, so Ashwin can be a handful on pitches like Chennai, Delhi, Lucknow, particularly against left hand batsmen. Jadeja, Ashwin and Kuldeep can all be in the XI for these games, and offer all the spin varieties. 

 

Pandya, Jadeja are 6,7

Ash could have been at 8 in the above venues, Thakur at 8 in other venues 

Kuldeep, Siraj/Shami and Bumrah at 9. 10, 11

 

PS: Even Sundar fits the bill for this strategy, but he needs to have good game time before the WC

Edited August 26, 2023 by bowl_out

[tweaker]

1 hour ago, bowl_out said:

 

Fair enough.  Not exactly outrage,  but even the thought of Ashwin as a possibility for the WC squad comes because of two reasons.

 

1. Axar is redundant because Jadeja has a guaranteed spot whether or not we like it

2. The WC is happening in India, so Ashwin can be a handful on pitches like Chennai, Delhi, Lucknow, particularly against left hand batsmen. Jadeja, Ashwin and Kuldeep can all be in the XI for these games, and offer all the spin varieties. 

 

Pandya, Jadeja are 6,7

Ash could have been at 8 in the above venues, Thakur at 8 in other venues 

Kuldeep, Siraj/Shami and Bumrah at 9. 10, 11

 

PS: Even Sundar fits the bill for this strategy, but he needs to have good game time before the WC

The team management didn't identified any other player for the role.They kept on selecting both instead of taking risk and giving some young players opportunities. 

[Nikhil_cric]

Somebody needs to get Washington to Gary Stead or a power hitting coach so he can turn into a counter attacking #6 in the LOI setup. His offspin is actually very good for ODI's and T20's as far as 6th bowler is concerned. Bowls quick and at the stumps.