Have the correct Indian All Rounders been picked for World Cup 2023

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, saneindian said:

Don't think Parag has done enough to get picked for India.

 

India A? IPL? FC? Domestic List A and T20 performances are rightly ignored as the standards have fallen. Let him do well in an FC season or in an IPL season or for India A. He's just 22, and has plenty of time to get into the national team. 

VHT is low quality, yes, but the zonal tourneys are not bad, and he did very well in them. he cannot enter team right away, but needs to be tried out soon after WC

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, saneindian said:

Don't think Parag has done enough to get picked for India.

 

India A? IPL? FC? Domestic List A and T20 performances are rightly ignored as the standards have fallen. Let him do well in an FC season or in an IPL season or for India A. He's just 22, and has plenty of time to get into the national team. 

 

 If you give enough chances he is likely to come out better than Jaddu our 14 year investment.

[saneindian]

16 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 If you give enough chances he is likely to come out better than Jaddu our 14 year investment.

It will be interesting to see what ICF thought about Parag during the IPL. Wouldn't be a surprise to see him being written off entirely. 

 

As for the Jadeja comparison, Jadeja is a bowling all-rounder, whereas Parag is a batting all-rounder. He hardly bowls in IPLs. Not sure if the system will force him to prioritise his batting. 

 

Jaddu's 14 year investment has given 275 test wickets and 2500+ Test runs, a MoM performance in CT final, 24 MoM and 2 MoS performance. Overall, the only Indian players with 5000 international runs and 500 international wickets with a batting average > 30 and bowling average <30. (had to use statsguru after ages!)

 

If Parag ended up with even half of such achievements, he would have done well for himself and for the Indian team.. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by saneindian

[singhvivek141]

11 minutes ago, saneindian said:

It will be interesting to see what ICF thought about Parag during the IPL. Wouldn't be a surprise to see him being written off entirely. 

 

As for the Jadeja comparison, Jadeja is a bowling all-rounder, whereas Parag is a batting all-rounder. He hardly bowls in IPLs. Not sure if the system will force him to prioritise his batting. 

 

Jaddu's 14 year investment has given 275 test wickets and 2500+ Test runs, a MoM performance in CT final, 24 MoM and 2 MoS performance. Overall, the only Indian players with 5000 international runs and 500 international wickets with a batting average > 30 and bowling average <30. (had to use statsguru after ages!)

 

If Parag ended up with even half of such achievements, he would have done well for himself and for the Indian team.. 

14 years back the same statements were given for Jadeja as well, while comparing him to Kumble.

Amount of backing which Jadeja has gotten from MSD, very few players received it. Despite screwing royally in 2009 T20 WC.

Players improve once they are trusted, though not every is lucky enough to get it. Who knows Parag or Abhishek Sharma or anyone else might topple Jadeja's stats if they are trusted & backed non-stop for 10-11 years.

[saneindian]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

14 years back the same statements were given for Jadeja as well, while comparing him to Kumble.

Amount of backing which Jadeja has gotten from MSD, very few players received it. Despite screwing royally in 2009 T20 WC.

Players improve once they are trusted, though not every is lucky enough to get it. Who knows Parag or Abhishek Sharma or anyone else might topple Jadeja's stats if they are trusted & backed non-stop for 10-11 years.

Jadeja was compared with Kumble? No one did that. 

 

It was credit to Jadeja that he went to FC cricket , scored tons of runs an took truckloads of wickets for Saurashtra and forced his way as a core member of Indian test 11.

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, saneindian said:

Jadeja was compared with Kumble? No one did that. 

 

It was credit to Jadeja that he went to FC cricket , scored tons of runs an took truckloads of wickets for Saurashtra and forced his way as a core member of Indian test 11.

Why are you talking about Tests? He's an absolute ATG in that format and nobody has seriously questioned that. Him coming at 6/7 allowed us to bowl 4 pacers and win Test matches abroad.  I'd argue that he is our greatest Test all-rounder and one of our greatest Test cricketers ever. 

 

It's in LOI's that he's been useless for long periods of time.

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, saneindian said:

It will be interesting to see what ICF thought about Parag during the IPL. Wouldn't be a surprise to see him being written off entirely. 

 

As for the Jadeja comparison, Jadeja is a bowling all-rounder, whereas Parag is a batting all-rounder. He hardly bowls in IPLs. Not sure if the system will force him to prioritise his batting. 

 

Jaddu's 14 year investment has given 275 test wickets and 2500+ Test runs, a MoM performance in CT final, 24 MoM and 2 MoS performance. Overall, the only Indian players with 5000 international runs and 500 international wickets with a batting average > 30 and bowling average <30. (had to use statsguru after ages!)

 

If Parag ended up with even half of such achievements, he would have done well for himself and for the Indian team.. 

 

Para g is not just an off spinner. He bowls leg spin and also wrong uns. He is very very clsoe to  a specialist bowler in domestic.

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, saneindian said:

It will be interesting to see what ICF thought about Parag during the IPL. Wouldn't be a surprise to see him being written off entirely. 

 

As for the Jadeja comparison, Jadeja is a bowling all-rounder, whereas Parag is a batting all-rounder. He hardly bowls in IPLs. Not sure if the system will force him to prioritise his batting. 

 

Jaddu's 14 year investment has given 275 test wickets and 2500+ Test runs, a MoM performance in CT final, 24 MoM and 2 MoS performance. Overall, the only Indian players with 5000 international runs and 500 international wickets with a batting average > 30 and bowling average <30. (had to use statsguru after ages!)

 

If Parag ended up with even half of such achievements, he would have done well for himself and for the Indian team.. 

 

We are mixing up formats here. In ODIs his all round skills are never going to give any cushion.

[Vijy]

19 hours ago, saneindian said:

It will be interesting to see what ICF thought about Parag during the IPL. Wouldn't be a surprise to see him being written off entirely. 

 

As for the Jadeja comparison, Jadeja is a bowling all-rounder, whereas Parag is a batting all-rounder. He hardly bowls in IPLs. Not sure if the system will force him to prioritise his batting. 

 

Jaddu's 14 year investment has given 275 test wickets and 2500+ Test runs, a MoM performance in CT final, 24 MoM and 2 MoS performance. Overall, the only Indian players with 5000 international runs and 500 international wickets with a batting average > 30 and bowling average <30. (had to use statsguru after ages!)

 

If Parag ended up with even half of such achievements, he would have done well for himself and for the Indian team.. 

the whole thread is on ODIs, not tests. In Tests, Jadeja is a GOAT candidate for Indian ARs. in ODIs, he would not even be in india's top 30 ODI cricketers. even nikhil chopra was better than him, bowling-wise

[Lord]

On 9/27/2023 at 1:02 PM, singhvivek141 said:

14 years back the same statements were given for Jadeja as well, while comparing him to Kumble.

Amount of backing which Jadeja has gotten from MSD, very few players received it. Despite screwing royally in 2009 T20 WC.

Players improve once they are trusted, though not every is lucky enough to get it. Who knows Parag or Abhishek Sharma or anyone else might topple Jadeja's stats if they are trusted & backed non-stop for 10-11 years.

 

It was MSD who royally screwed there, not Jaddu. Was a no. 9 who used to bat behind Bhajji and suddenly promoted to 4. Its like Bhuvi or Kuldeep batting at 4 now in T20. 

 

Did very well with ball in that WC but was ignored.

[singhvivek141]

9 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

It was MSD who royally screwed there, not Jaddu. Was a no. 9 who used to bat behind Bhajji and suddenly promoted to 4. Its like Bhuvi or Kuldeep batting at 4 now in T20. 

 

Did very well with ball in that WC but was ignored.

MSD indeed failed there, both as captain and as batsman. His performance with the bat was below par at an abysmal SR, but was camouflaged due to Yuvi & Yusuf power hitting, while Gambhir was consistent top the order.

 

But that loss will always be on Jadeja's head, he was not even able to buy a single and pass on the strike to Yuvraj who was in hitting form of his life.

Once he got out then MSD couldn't hit big when needed and whatever boundaries he scored cams off by edges as MS was completely struggling to hit the ball.

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

MSD indeed failed there, both as captain and as batsman. His performance with the bat was below par at an abysmal SR, but was camouflaged due to Yuvi & Yusuf power hitting, while Gambhir was consistent top the order.

 

But that loss will always be on Jadeja's head, he was not even able to buy a single and pass on the strike to Yuvraj who was in hitting form of his life.

Once he got out then MSD couldn't hit big when needed and whatever boundaries he scored cams off by edges as MS was completely struggling to hit the ball.

 

Yeah I won't blame no. 9 for not being able to play at 4 in a knockout game. no. 9 exactly means they won't be able to rotate strike freely.

 

MS himself could have come there if he wanted to protect Yuvi.