India Squad for first 2 ODI's vs Australia

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Warne was mentally very very strong. Kuldeep when attacked gets rattled.

Really was he, what's his record against India then? Every spinner's relatively bad these days because of the advent of T20 & 2 new balls - you can check Warne's record in IPL or other T20 competitions even if it were at the end of his career. I don't want to bring the great man down but you clearly underestimate the sea change between cricket in the 90's to what we see today!

[vivek04]

zampa will roast sky.

[Frustrated]

Just now, IndianRenegade said:

I fail to understand the continued chances SKY is getting, its not like he can bowl 5 or 6 overs, & can do the finishers job. To me thats the only way he gets into the side.

 

Ashwin's inclusion seems to suggest team isn't sure about Sundar,  Sundar is a better bat than Ashwin bowling wise there isn't much between them in LOI. I would rather have Sundar than Ashwin in the field. 

TM is probably skeptical about Sundar's prolonged fitness.  He has always been injury prone.  Thats why probably Ashwin has sneaked in.   But SKY's inclusion is an act of crime.  

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, IndianRenegade said:

I fail to understand the continued chances SKY is getting, its not like he can bowl 5 or 6 overs, & can do the finishers job. To me thats the only way he gets into the side.

 

Ashwin's inclusion seems to suggest team isn't sure about Sundar,  Sundar is a better bat than Ashwin bowling wise there isn't much between them in LOI. I would rather have Sundar than Ashwin in the field. 

 

Whole argument of  Axar vs Jadeja vs Sundar vs Ashwin is pointless. They are all more or all the same overall. We don't know who will click when.  One of them or 2 of them likely to feature due to lack of options. Our ideal scenario is to have a bowler who can bowl/bat like Yuvi. Tilak is still an unknown quantity. Can go either way.

[Lord]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yes. Rinku is the only MO option. Tilak needs a season or two. Not finished yet. COmpared to SKY i must say even the openers who play in the middle is better. 

 

But why compare to SKY? Throw him out but select other better MO guys, not openers.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Really was he, what's his record against India then? Every spinner's relatively bad these days because of the advent of T20 & 2 new balls - you can check Warne's record in IPL or other T20 competitions even if it were at the end of his career. I don't want to bring the great man down but you clearly underestimate the sea change between cricket in the 90's to what we see today!

 

Kuldeep literallly broke down and cried and got dropped even by KKR. That is why Chahal went ahead in the pecking order ahead of him for a while. Warne failing doesn't mean he was not mentally strong. He was up against world class batsmen of spin. Against the current bunch he would run rings. These guys struggle against Adil Rashid, Zampa. Heck even LIvingstone tied us down in world T20.

[Frustrated]

Simply looking at the scorecard, it might look SKY scored 26 from 34 vs Ban.  One might ask what is the big fuss about this inning? But if any one has watched his knock, the real picture emerges.  It was an absolutely ugly/terrible knock.  15 out of 26 runs were scored due to fluke edges which did not carry to the fielders.   He missed nearly 10 balls.  LOL.    I had to switch off the TV till he got Out.    Even Shardul's (no. 9) batting is more comfortable to watch.  

[vvvslaxman]

In Indian conditions going in with just one spinner is a recipe for disaster. Against some countries in some grounds even 3 won't be enough. Chennai for example. 

[IndianRenegade]

17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What did Rahul do to become captain?

Because he is the only guy that will play both games, I will rest bumrah for at least one of them.

[R!TTER]

You said mentally very very strong, these numbers show the exact opposite -

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Opposition team India

Involving any of the players GD McGrath (AUS/ICC)  or SK Warne (AUS/ICC)

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 30

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
B Lee	1999-2006	12	13	149.4	23	509	34	5/27	7/78	14.97	3.40	26.4	3	0
JN Gillespie	1996-2004	13	20	313.2	68	932	45	5/56	9/80	20.71	2.97	41.7	1	0
GD McGrath	1994-2006	36	46	632.2	181	1861	85	5/48	10/103	21.89	2.94	44.6	2	1
DW Fleming	1994-2001	23	27	297.0	39	1161	40	5/30	8/100	29.02	3.90	44.5	2	0
MS Kasprowicz	1998-2004	16	22	344.2	71	1105	30	5/28	6/104	36.83	3.20	68.8	1	0
SK Warne	1992-2004	32	43	816.3	141	2873	58	6/125	6/113	49.53	3.51	84.4	1	0

 

Crying is not a sign of mental weakness! Not unless you also think blowing hookers or doing drugs is some telltale of a sign of mental strength?

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

You said mentally very very strong, these numbers show the exact opposite -

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Opposition team India

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
B Lee	1999-2006	12	13	149.4	23	509	34	5/27	7/78	14.97	3.40	26.4	3	0
JN Gillespie	1996-2004	13	20	313.2	68	932	45	5/56	9/80	20.71	2.97	41.7	1	0
GD McGrath	1994-2006	36	46	632.2	181	1861	85	5/48	10/103	21.89	2.94	44.6	2	1
DW Fleming	1994-2001	23	27	297.0	39	1161	40	5/30	8/100	29.02	3.90	44.5	2	0
MS Kasprowicz	1998-2004	16	22	344.2	71	1105	30	5/28	6/104	36.83	3.20	68.8	1	0
SK Warne	1992-2004	32	43	816.3	141	2873	58	6/125	6/113	49.53	3.51	84.4	1	0

 

Crying is not a sign of mental weakness! Not unless you also think blowing hookers or doing drugs is some telltale of a sign of mental strength?

 

He won a world cup semi final and final for his side winning back to back man of the matches. Let us talk when our elite spinners do that.  Poor number means he is not mentally strong lol 

Edited September 18, 2023 by vvvslaxman

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5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He was up against world class batsmen of spin.

On generally deteriorating wickets, one new ball & the mentality back then was mostly to defend first. Would love to see Siddhu or even Kambli on these wickets against Warne in the T20 era, heck peak SRT or Ganguly were monsters against spin.

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

He won a world cup semi final

They didn't win the SF - they got through on NRR & SA epic choke, yes finals performance was great but it's Pak we're talking about. And when talking about the best you simply can't ignore his record against the best players of spin

[R!TTER]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Poor number means he is not mentally strong lol 

Your skill & mental strength shows through your numbers, if it doesn't then you clearly overestimate your understanding of this game!

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

Your skill & mental strength shows through your numbers, if it doesn't then you clearly overestimate your understanding of this game!

 

Not really. he was up against world class batsmen back then. Murali also faced the same treatment. Just for argument don't suggest things like Warne is not mentally strong lol It is laughable dude

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

They didn't win the SF - they got through on NRR & SA epic choke, yes finals performance was great but it's Pak we're talking about. And when talking about the best you simply can't ignore his record against the best players of spin

 

So wickets of Kirsten, Gibbs, Kallis, Cronje didn't play a role in that win?

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[vvvslaxman]

57 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

That's very defensive way of thinking. Kuldeep will also learn more about those batsmen.Anyway he has played enough v Aus.

 

It is the only thing i can think of. Spinners bowling more overs won't lead to injury as much as pacers.  Other thingg i can think of is they want to see how they respond in the absence of kuldeep. We all saw how they "responded" against Bangladesh.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

It is the only thing i can think of. Spinners bowling more overs won't lead to injury as much as pacers.  Other thingg i can think of is they want to see how they respond in the absence of kuldeep. We all saw how they "responded" against Bangladesh.

 

We lost that due to batting more than bowling. Kohli,Iyer,Bumrah,Siraj were all missing out too.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

 

Our country has become like Bangladesh. Anywhere you see left arm spinner. Off spinners have become rare breeds.  Shokeen is too raw.  Other than him i can't think of specialist offie.  Rana can bowl. But he is  a double edged sword. Jaiswal thrashed him for 26 runs when he opened th ebowlnig. Probably in the middle phase he can bowl a few overs. He is definitely a better batsman than all these guys in Indian conditions. Other option is untested Parag. We don't know how he will do. If they want a low quality off spinning all rounder they can use Sharukh khan :)