ravishingravi Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 I personally know many Canadians of Indian origin who are troubled by this. But like John Rambo said "they drew first blood". As an Indian citizen, I want my gov to defend Indian citizens at any cost from internal and external enemies through state or non state actors. Zero ambiguity for me. coffee_rules 1
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 49 minutes ago, mishra said: ^ When Litvinenko was killed by Polonium , Russia denied because it can deny it, Or may be it was West who gave Polonium to malign Russia as Litvinenko was not Westerners, but either way, would have send a message among anyone in KGB who thought West promise to save them is serious, if they they ever became a double Agent. ie Russians will kill them or West itself kill them just to gain political milege. Russia has a history with the west. It participated in Cold War too. In the 1940s, USSR had set up (or said to have set up) “SMERSH” as well. There were agents defecting to each other sides as well. In Casino Royale (2006), there was this joke: Bond blows up an embassy. M has to answer to her superiors about this. Later she remarks - “In the past, agents had the good sense to defect if they did something this embarrassing”. Edited October 17, 2024 by zen mishra 1
mishra Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, zen said: Russia has a history with the west. It participated in Cold War too. In the 1940s, USSR had set up (or said to have set up) “SMERSH” as well. There were agents defecting to each other sides as well. In Casino Royale (2006), there was this joke: Bond blows up an embassy. m has to answer to her superiors about this. Later she remarks - “In the past, agents had the good sense to defect if they did something this embracing”. Its dirty. One thing , I am generally certain is , In such cases, whatever so called, even Investigative journalist claim is "a planted story". Its all about who can sell the planted story and to whom. In back room Indian RAW guys must be saying to CIA guys, See we found out he was defcted. We think ISI and Not CIA bought Vikram Yadav. We will punish Vikram Yadav. Do you agree Edited October 17, 2024 by mishra zen 1
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, ravishingravi said: But like John Rambo said "they drew first blood". As an Indian citizen, I want my gov to defend Indian citizens at any cost from internal and external enemies through state or non state actors. Zero ambiguity for me. Unfortunately, India does not do that well enough. Tons of people are killed by Islamic terrorists in India. Many times, when people are on pilgrimage. On top of that GOI focuses on irrelevant mission in the name of national threat (including killing some toothless Khalistani where applicable) which can alienate India in a way. It claims to stand up for minorities who are being persecuted in neighbouring countries but fails to take meaningful action when a minority group is in immediate danger. We need to separate drama like action (as much as it may give us temporary satisfaction that something is being done) which can hurt India too from well thought out critical action. Edited October 17, 2024 by zen
mishra Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mishra said: Its dirty. One thing , I am generally certain is , In such cases, whatever so called, even Investigative journalist claim is "a planted story". Its all about who can sell the planted story and to whom. In back room Indian RAW guys must be saying to CIA guys, See we found out he was defcted. We think ISI and Not CIA bought Vikram Yadav. We will punish Vikram Yadav. Do you agree Staying on same, They will also say that our internal Research done on basis of ur evidence says that allthough its ISI aganets who bought Vikram, But Can you ask Mark, Darren, Denis blah bla blah to be promoted in and sent back to another country, we think Raghu, Raj, Akhlaq, Hussain and few more Indian citizens whose name is not in list may have done financial fraud. We have these evidences. And ED will raid them. Do you want us to Raid these ISI assets If Guptaji gets Covicted, then we will provide evidence from those Raids which will help in Convictions. Edited October 17, 2024 by mishra
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 Earlier, I thought that it would probably be Khalistani groups fighting among themselves to gain control of a Gurudwara (or a sect or whatever). India is being blamed to divert attention from real culprits. Indian would not be stupid to participate in such activities.
Chaos Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 11 minutes ago, zen said: Earlier, I thought that it would probably be Khalistani groups fighting among themselves to gain control of a Gurudwara (or a sect or whatever). India is being blamed to divert attention from real culprits. Indian would not be stupid to participate in such activities. I see another clean up of our posts zen 1
mishra Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 25 minutes ago, zen said: Earlier, I thought that it would probably be Khalistani groups fighting among themselves to gain control of a Gurudwara (or a sect or whatever). India is being blamed to divert attention from real culprits. Indian would not be stupid to participate in such activities. See , there are thousands get murdered every Year in US UK and Canada. And a lot of them are classed into some sort of Mafia/Gang/Drug or similar crime. Only Nijjer and attempted murder of Pannu required Five Eyes. Which means Deep State is involved and has interest If I am to guess, Indians are asking few people to be deported from US/UK/Canada for Terror related incidence and tried to portray a narrative which meant SFJ and Khalistan are indulged in activities which can be classed into Terrorism. US said Hands OFF and posted new narative. See, Trump Card in Western hands was "Kashmir" and that is gone. Thanks to Pakistanis who aligned with Chinese so much so that instead of Russia entering India via Kashmir, It became Chino Pak Threat fo US and West. Hindutva Card isnt producing any tangible impact as Hindus didnt react like they expected it ie vi Violence. Naxal Card is nearly over. So all they now have is a old Card called Sikh Separatim (Not working in India), Kuki, Rohingya and Religious freedom. Game is still on. See it in that perspective. Atleast I see it like that. Edited October 17, 2024 by mishra
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 7 minutes ago, mishra said: Only Nijjer and attempted murder of Pannu required Five Eyes. Which means Deep State is involved and has interest IIRC, it was highlighted by the DEA of US as they were looking into a drug trafficker. This drug trafficker is said to have been used by the Indian Intelligence to carry out the unsuccessful hit in the US (which India has accepted and attributed to rogue agents or fall guys). And then it opened up a can of worms.
mishra Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 BTW @zen There was a article published in Globe and Mail. Its paid site. Question is why the Canadian analysts are not reading that or answering questions raised on that Story. He was fast tracked to be taken into Canada and made citizen and put on no fly list and allegation against him. He was definitely a key asset, First link irequires subscription but second link just gives some info https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-western-canada-who-was-hardeep-nijjar-the-two-worlds-of-a-slain-sikh/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-morning-update-the-man-who-ignited-a-diplomatic-firestorm/ zen 1
mishra Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 4 minutes ago, zen said: IIRC, it was highlighted by the DEA of US as they were looking into a drug trafficker. This drug trafficker is said to have been used by the Indian Intelligence to carry out the unsuccessful hit in the US (which India has accepted and attributed to rogue agents or fall guys). And then it opened up a can of worms. And who gets benefitted if Nijjer gets killed? Or Can Vikram Yadav be a double Agent?
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Chaos said: I see another clean up of our posts People like posts such as Trudeau = bad, America = ugly, and India = good. Many times, India is a saint that can do no wrong and only does wrong when it is forced. At times, it has powers where it can send unwanted people magically to another country. If required, it can do things that the US, Russia, China, etc., together can do. And others are jealous of these powers so they try to undermine India in someway. GOI = hero (esp. if Modi is PM). If India does not help BD Hindus, it is because of X (some excuse). If India kills a toothless Khalistanis, it is bravery (fighting Goras or whatever). And so on. And when you laugh at such posts (a natural reaction), some people feel bad. Edited October 17, 2024 by zen Chaos 1
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mishra said: And who gets benefitted if Nijjer gets killed? Or Can Vikram Yadav be a double Agent? India has accepted and presented a fall guy. I am not sure if there is more depth to it. Edited October 17, 2024 by zen
mishra Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 15 minutes ago, zen said: India has accepted and presented a fall guy. I am not sure if there is more depth to it. TBH, India is just saying that despite the name, we didnt ordered the hit. West knew (may have plannted/planed) exactly where the investigation will go Cold. Point is India is messaging that Same old narrative can not continue even if you buy a Indian agent and hence diplomatic Row. Investigation on basis of double Agents testimony can not be relied upon. If Canadian or US Court cant accept testimony of a prisoner or free citizens in India, How can they expect Indian courts to accept the same from Western prisoner or free citizens. More importantly why a common man be buying it. Edited October 17, 2024 by mishra
mishra Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 6 minutes ago, mishra said: TBH, India is just saying that despite the name, we didnt ordered the hit. West knew (may have plannted/planed) exactly where the investigation will go Cold. Point is India is messaging that Same old narrative can not continue even if you buy a Indian agent and hence diplomatic Row. Investigation on basis of double Agents testimony can not be relied upon. If Canadian or US Court cant accept testimony of a prisoner or free citizens in India, How can they expect Indian courts to accept the same from Western prisoner or free citizens. More importantly why a common man be buying it. Also Canadian is defacto base of ISI in West. Trudeau used Term "Credible Allegation" and always saying there is NO "Credible Evidence". Somersault of Words.
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 6 minutes ago, mishra said: Also Canadian is defacto base of ISI in West. Trudeau used Term "Credible Allegation" and always saying there is NO "Credible Evidence". Somersault of Words. Canada is said to have provided evidence to India of video, audio, and email b/w Indian Intelligence and Consulate. It is said to be made available to the Five Eyes as well. What you are probably hearing in Indian media is what happened initially (last year iirc) when Canada reached out to India to put its house in order based on intel (Five Eyes), and then India asked for evidence. Edited October 17, 2024 by zen
G_B_ Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 Hmm so Canadian intelligence accepts role of Pakistan in Khalistani protests rise. Turdeau says official Canadian policy of "One India". Ironically has a go at Trump....
ravishingravi Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 14 minutes ago, zen said: Canada is said to have provided evidence to India of video, audio, and email b/w Indian Intelligence and Consulate. It is said to be made available to the Five Eyes as well. What you are probably hearing in Indian media is what happened initially (last year iirc) when Canada reached out to India to put its house in order based on intel (Five Eyes), and then India asked for evidence. First time I am hearing of evidence. Would like to know more. What evidence has been provided apart from credible allegations ? This was yesterday.
G_B_ Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 16 minutes ago, zen said: Canada is said to have provided evidence to India of video, audio, and email b/w Indian Intelligence and Consulate. It is said to be made available to the Five Eyes as well. What you are probably hearing in Indian media is what happened initially (last year iirc) when Canada reached out to India to put its house in order based on intel (Five Eyes), and then India asked for evidence. Yeah lol intelligence will email in plain English. Will be heavily coded. Cant be produced in any court as proof.
zen Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 1 minute ago, ravishingravi said: First time I am hearing of evidence. Would like to know more. What evidence has been provided apart from credible allegations ? This was yesterday. Trudeau is talking about the initial contact when he acted on intel. Later, there was a meeting b/w India and Canada in Singapore. It is said that Canada has video, audio, and email communications b/w the Consulate and Indian Intelligence in India.
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