Major terror attack underway in Gaza Strip

[zen]

@mishra 

 

Spain joins too Link

 

“Spanish prime minister says Gaza, West Bank should be connected and capital should be in East Jerusalem”

 

[mishra]

1 minute ago, zen said:

@mishra 

 

Spain joins too Link

 

“Spanish prime minister says Gaza, West Bank should be connected and capital should be in East Jerusalem”

 

I know. Indian postion has been about two state solution. I do not say NO to two state solution. When Abraham Accord was supposed to be implemented, Saudis made a pre condition to peace was Israel to recognise Palestine state. Ball was in Israels Court. So things can be achieved by talks.

 

But none of above doesnt gives right to Hamas and Gazans to enter into Isreal like what they did in on Oct 7. Comeone man. They took a Girl, Raped her , pinned her genitals to ground and burned her while crowd chanting Jihadi slogans. Do you think everyone in crowd was Hamas? If not then do you think IDF not to react to it?

[zen]

2 minutes ago, mishra said:

I know. Indian postion has been about two state solution. I do not say NO to two state solution. When Abraham Accord was supposed to be implemented, Saudis made a pre condition to peace was Israel to recognise Palestine state. Ball was in Israels Court. So things can be achieved by talks.

 

But none of above doesnt gives right to Hamas and Gazans to enter into Isreal like what they did in on Oct 7. Comeone man. They took a Girl, Raped her , pinned her genitals to ground and burned her while crowd chanting Jihadi slogans. Do you think everyone in crowd was Hamas? If not then do you think IDF not to react to it?

What Hamas did was bad but what Israel did is worse (genocide). There is no equivalence. 
 

You may not be aware but Israel terrorizes Palestinians “everyday” in the West Bank and directly or indirectly in Gaza (not allowed to prosper for e.g.).
 

It is said that there are over 10,000 Palestinians (many innocent) in Israeli jails who are subjected to all kinds of abuses including sexual. 
 

In Palestine, it is said that whenever Palestinians leave their homes, they are never able to go back. In Gaza, refugees have been living since 1948. 
 

Need to understand the Palestinian issue (rather than rely on stereotypes of Muslims = terrorists, etc., and be guided by the Zionist propaganda both in Israel and in the US). These people were never given a fair chance (Guys like Nethanyahu have even tried to jeopardize peace): 
 

[mishra]

^ Palestinians should stop looking towards Israel. Give up on Terrorism and Jihad towards Jews and Israel. Everything will be resolved. Isrealis will not look at Palestinian side. But Palestinians can NOT do it. Will never do it.

Edited November 18, 2024 by mishra

[zen]

23 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ Palestinians should stop looking towards Israel. Give up on Terrorism and Jihad towards Jews and Israel. Everything will be resolved. Isrealis will not look at Palestinian side. But Palestinians can NOT do it. Will never do it.

Israel is already practising apartheid and now genocide. It is occupying Palestinian lands.

 

Israel had the option to just move out of Palestinian lands and leave Palestinians alone. Israel, due to extremism, does not want to resolve the issue but acquire Palestinian lands, and maybe in future work for Greater Israel  (many Israeli soldiers put on the map of Greater Israel on their arms). 
 

 

Please watch the video I posted in my last post. Because your opinion appears to be formed based on some misrepresented information and biases! 

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by zen

[mishra]

How to achieve this? Some basic broad points

 

1.Hamas and Hezbollah should be dismantled

2. Both Isreal and Palestine should come up with a acceptable border.

3. Disputed areas should be discussed again and come with some joint mechanism of Patrolling. No new settlements from either side. Infact remove settlements if need be and there is minimum disruption. ie Must create a Frontier area/zone between the borders.

4.Find out agreed  Mechanism to ensure that Hamas or Hezbollah can not arm itself and stop acting as IRGC proxies.

5. Agreed reprecursions/cost in case of Rocket strikes/terror strikes by either side

6. Stop narative painting. Monitor the progress.

7. Israel and Palestine mutually recognise each other as states

 

[mishra]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Israel is already practising apartheid and now genocide. It is occupying Palestinian lands.

 

Israel , due to extremism, had the option to just move out of Palestinian lands and leave Palestinians alone. Israel does not want to resolve the issue but acquire Palestinian lands, and maybe in future work for Greater Israel  (many Israeli soldiers put on the map of Greater Israel on their arms). 
 

 

Please watch the video I posted in my last post. Because your opinion appears to be formed based on some misrepresented information and biases! 

 

I do not watch TRT. Its fake peddling channel. Sorry. Its worse than Aljazeera

[zen]

Just now, mishra said:

I do not watch TRT. It’sfake peddling channel. Sorry. Its worse than Aljazeera

What about the video in my last post? 
 

It appears as if you have become entrenched in your own biases 

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

What about the video in my last post? 
 

It appears as if you have become entrenched in your own biases 

BHai, I am not entrenched. I have no time to watch propoganda videos. Issue is not new. I know IDF is destroying everything in Hamas and Hezbollah controlled areas. Dont need some victim story telling.

 

Israelis themselves took eyes off Gaza and were preparing to non militarily deal with Hezbollah via UN. They gave away control on Philadelphia corrodor , let UN slip on its implementation 1701 agreement. They didnt monitor Gaza and Hamas activities assuming world was really planning a peace and talks due to progress on Abraham accord

[zen]

 

As I posted before, Natanyahu (representing extremism in Israel) is acting like Duryodhana who did not want to give anything to Pandvas. 
 

[mishra]

13 minutes ago, zen said:

 

As I posted before, Natanyahu (representing extremism in Israel) is acting like Duryodhana who did not want to give anything to Pandvas. 
 

Just like Pakistani government keeps saying that they are victims of Terror. These guys are arming Hamas and Hezbollah and even today, Havent released hostages. Their gurantee is pure lie like UN implemntation of resolution 1701. After nearly 2 decades and thousand of Rockets from Hezbollah, they are talking of implementation. why because Israelis retaliated

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The document reveals that under the proposal, a supervisory committee would be set up to ensure the implementation of UN Resolution 1701. The committee would be headed by a US general and would include a French general.

The agreement also provides Israel with the right to act militarily in Lebanon, but only after the committee attempts to handle violations of the ceasefire, and fails in its attempt.

 

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by mishra

[zen]

4 minutes ago, mishra said:

Dont need some victim story telling.

 

There is a genocide going on, which is widely acknowledged by various countries and the UN commission. Even the Pope has called Israeli response disproportionate and asked to investigate the genocide:

 

 

So we cannot be leaving under a rock, forming opinion based on stereotypes and transplanting Hindu b Muslim issue in Israel as Jews v Muslims issue.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, mishra said:

Just like Pakistani government keeps saying that they are victims of Terror. These guys are arming Hamas and Hezbollah and even today, Havent released hostages. Their gurantee is pure lie like UN implemntation of resolution 1701.

There are no parallels to Ind-Pak here. Israel has been occupying Palestinian lands and practicing apartheid and now genocide to hold on to Palestinians lands. 
 

Israel itself is a terrorist state being armed by the likes of the US. 
 

There is no concept where Israeli is allowed to practise terror, continues its illegal settlements. 
 

As I explained the vicious cycle where Israel acts illegally, drawing out negative actions from others, and used this to fuel its agenda. This time it has fallen in its own trap. 
 

Israel has to accept the two state solution and not act like below:

 

 

 

[mishra]

19 minutes ago, zen said:

There is a genocide going on, which is widely acknowledged by various countries and the UN commission. Even the Pope has called Israeli response disproportionate and asked to investigate the genocide:

 

 

So we cannot be leaving under a rock, forming opinion based on stereotypes and transplanting Hindu b Muslim issue in Israel as Jews v Muslims issue.

How many Hamas fighter have been killed or Hezbollah fighters have been killed so far as per Hamas? Share me one link/report which says "as per Hamas x number of Hamas fighters have been killed or israel didnt give a evacuation warning to civilians before strike"

Edited November 18, 2024 by mishra

[zen]

4 minutes ago, mishra said:

How many Hamas fighter have been killed or Hezbollah fighters have been killed so far as per Hamas? Share me one link/report which says "as per Hamas x number of Hamas fighters have been killed or israel didnt give a evacuation warning to civilians before strike"

Can you explain the relevance and linking it to over 40,000 people being killed in a planned manner to occupy their territory? And when a case is filed against Israel for genocide?

 

Israel terrorizes Palestinian everyday a fact that you seem to shy away from.
 

 

[mishra]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Can you explain the relevance and linking it to over 40,000 people being killed in a planned manner to occupy their territory? And when a case is filed against Israel for genocide?

 

Israel terrorizes Palestinian everyday a fact that you seem to shy away from.
 

 

I asked you straight question. Do a google and get back to me.

 

Will explain the relevance but you have already made up ur mind

Edited November 18, 2024 by mishra

[zen]

1 minute ago, mishra said:

I asked you straight question. Do a google and get back to me.

 

Will explain the relevance but you have already made up ur mind

 

 

 

 

[mishra]

^ So u decide to waste time by throwing another video. Just answer the question with a report and link. I can read it

[zen]

52 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ So u decide to waste time by throwing another video. Just answer the question with a report and link. I can read it

You tell me (what is more grave than a genocide).

 

Btw, it appears as if you are not willing to consider “prisoners” held unfairly over the years by Israel 

 

PS a must watch speech below (posted earlier too):

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by zen

[coffee_rules]

Palestine is a manufactured  national identity. Before WW1 it was a vassal controlled area of Ottomon empire. After the British Palestine mandate included the areas of modern day Israel and Jordan, the Hashemite kingdom wanted nothing to do with a Palestine identity and called themselves Jordan. Arabs remaining in Palestine area started attacking Jews and vice-Versa and a civil war broke out in 1947 when Brits moved out. In 1948, when Israel declared itself a country under leadership of Truman at the UN, all neighboring countries attacked Israel and that is when Israel started defending its territories. They lost territory to Egypt (Gaza), Jordan (West Bank) and parts of North Israel to Syria. They lost access to the holy sites of Old City in East Jerusalam to Jordon. Jordon controlled the parts of Palestine and it still didn’t recognize it as a Palestine state, but called it West Bank as it was west of the river (Jordan) There is no Palestinian connection between Gaza and West Bank , their accents and culture are different. WB people had Jordanian passports!!
 

This collective Palestine national identity started after 1967 when they lost WB to Israel . If the Arab countries had not lost any of the 3 wars, there would no independent Palestine state. Israel would look like this.

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by coffee_rules