putrevus Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Give the same "dynamic" attack to RCB they will lose. They had Chahal winning orange cap a few times. They had Hazlewood. They had Harshal taking 32 wicket sin a single season. This iis what Shane watson had to say about RCB management. The team management always kept them insecure. So batsmen always played for personal milestone due to that. They would drop players impatiently. Look at Dube with CSK. Look at Dube with RCB. They dropped him after 2 matches. Ruturaj was a massiive failure first season. He became a joke. They stuck with him. They had enough resources to win matches. No they won't. How is RCB 's management behaviour a responsibility of players. Edited April 8 by putrevus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, putrevus said: No they won't. GT was a terrible side on paper. lol They had ABDV, Gayle, Baz, Watson, Maxwell all the big quys. Even Klassen played for them. CSK had Chahar, Deshpande, Rookie Pathirana last season.Jadeja is a terrible T20 player as well. Their bowling wass not exactly great. How did they win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Faf for CSK > Faf for RCB Watson for CSK > Watson for RCB Dube for CSK > Dube for RCB Each player was given a role they played it to perfection. In RCB set up there are no roles. Top order just have to bat as long as possible which is a recipe for disaster. Ultimate_Game, Vk1, rollingstoned and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: GT was a terrible side on paper. lol They had ABDV, Gayle, Baz, Watson, Maxwell all the big quys. Even Klassen played for them. CSK had Chahar, Deshpande, Rookie Pathirana last season.Jadeja is a terrible T20 player as well. Their bowling wass not exactly great. How did they win. Big names does not mean big performance.RCB never had well rounded team. You still need a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, putrevus said: DK's limit is 8-10 deliveries, that is what he would have faced if he batted at number 4.Maxwell is the floater. I agree Lomror should have played. Again they don't have any leftie who can break up RHBs in the lineup., Rawat with his SR of 115 is not the answer IMO. IMO Green is not going to work at number 4 or middle order. He is an opener , he needs time to get going.I don't know why they traded for him.I would drop Green and get Lockie.I would drop Siraj and get Akashdeep and drop that useless left arm spinner and get anybody. Every team needs to have template to win. RCB has none. With the personnel they have they are never going to blast 260. Mahipal Lomror is there. You can use him like Shivam Dube. He will not be consistent, but RCB need an impact dasher. Heck, even play him as an opener and see what he can do..he is a power hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said: Mahipal Lomror is there. You can use him like Shivam Dube. He will not be consistent, but RCB need an impact dasher. Heck, even play him as an opener and see what he can do..he is a power hitter. They load the top order and only when things are extremely desperate they send guys like Lomror down the order. Let us face it. He is no Dre Russ. But he will be more effective up the order with a bit more balls. This is why they always fail. They do not mix and match the batting order optimally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 They are serious team they are showing it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: They load the top order and only when things are extremely desperate they send guys like Lomror down the order. Let us face it. He is no Dre Russ. But he will be more effective up the order with a bit more balls. This is why they always fail. They do not mix and match the batting order optimally. RCB is always top heavy. They need to change the approach, it may or may not work. But they're failing with same approach from last 17 years, what's wrong in trying a new approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: They are serious team they are showing it :) None of them will even play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 21 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Mahipal Lomror is there. You can use him like Shivam Dube. He will not be consistent, but RCB need an impact dasher. Heck, even play him as an opener and see what he can do..he is a power hitter. No harm is trying him as they need a leftie to breakup the RHB. singhvivek141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Again CSK is showing you need bowlers too. What happened to so called high scoring KKR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: Again CSK is showing you need bowlers too. What happened to so called high scoring KKR. Pitch not suitable for T20 cricket... RCB has good bowling unit than old age home Batting unit. No amount of mental gymnastics of HaarCeeBe fans can defend a talentless old batting unit Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 53 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Pitch not suitable for T20 cricket... RCB has good bowling unit than old age home Batting unit. No amount of mental gymnastics of HaarCeeBe fans can defend a talentless old batting unit I don't care if RCB wins or loses it. Kohli does not need any window dressing to prove his greatness in any format. People can do any mental gymanstics to show he is batting slow but he still will be first name on the team for world cup t20 and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 53 minutes ago, putrevus said: I don't care if RCB wins or loses it. Kohli does not need any window dressing to prove his greatness in any format. People can do any mental gymanstics to show he is batting slow but he still will be first name on the team for world cup t20 and rightly so. He will be there only coz of brand value... Anyways point is RCB bowling is much better than old age home batting unit. Team lacks firepower as simple as that... When Bose DK is your finisher than nothing needs to be said... And Retired 40 year old Faf as opener lmao... Ghante ki IPL team Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Pitch not suitable for T20 cricket... RCB has good bowling unit than old age home Batting unit. No amount of mental gymnastics of HaarCeeBe fans can defend a talentless old batting unit I do not think that explains 17 year long failures. They had all kind of dynamic players over the years. Infact at times they had too brute a batting line up and also decent bowling liine up. Most teams are liike that. They are weak in one area or the other. Gambhir's KKR was the most complete team. Then MI had some insane game changers like Malinga, Bumrah, Pollard. They were not a complete team either. RCB had all of that. Just that they never had roles for players. They just let the superstars play they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I do not think that explains 17 year long failures. They had all kind of dynamic players over the years. Infact at times they had too brute a batting line up and also decent bowling liine up. Most teams are liike that. They are weak in one area or the other. Gambhir's KKR was the most complete team. Then MI had some insane game changers like Malinga, Bumrah, Pollard. They were not a complete team either. RCB had all of that. Just that they never had roles for players. They just let the superstars play they want to. Last 2-3 seasons they had very good bowling attack at their disposal... But extremely old fashioned batting unit. 2007-2010 RCB sides were boring at test match units... Tbh IPL has seen better batting units than them... Only when they had Peak Gayle Kohli ABD they had fear some batting... Even during his fag end ABD was carrying this corpse of a batting unit. Absolute myth that they had world beating batting unit bar 2016. Lack of young talent has been their biggest issue... They only Had Rahul in 2016 and they lost it. Always has been old age home in batting Edited April 8 by Lone Wolf Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: Last 2-3 seasons they had very good bowling attack at their disposal... But extremely old fashioned batting unit. 2007-2010 RCB sides were boring at test match units... Tbh IPL has seen better batting units than them... Only when they had Peak Gayle Kohli ABD they had fear some batting... Even during his fag end ABD was carrying this corpse of a batting unit. Absolute myth that they had world beating batting unit bar 2016. In T20 you don't need perfect technically sound batsmen. The idea of giving maximum overs to "best batsman" has hurt them badly. What he does he ends up playiing most of the delivereis while leaving the difficult job of accelerating to others. Has he ever gone ballistic at any stage of T20. Probably for that one year he did. Ultimate_Game and Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, vvvslaxman said: In T20 you don't need perfect technically sound batsmen. The idea of giving maximum overs to "best batsman" has hurt them badly. What he does he ends up playiing most of the delivereis while leaving the difficult job of accelerating to others. Has he ever gone ballistic at any stage of T20. Probably for that one year he did. Even ABD was only a IPL great... Used to smash low quality trundlers while sucked at Int'l level in the format. Their scouting team is to blame mostly I think. Went for bigger names rather than utility in the format... And unearthed zero young batting or bowling talent. MI at least unearthed Chahal for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, Lone Wolf said: Even ABD was only a IPL great... Used to smash low quality trundlers while sucked at Int'l level in the format. Their scouting team is to blame mostly I think. Went for bigger names rather than utility in the format... And unearthed zero young batting or bowling talent. MI at least unearthed Chahal for them. RR stuck with their players. Samson, Parag, Jurel. Jaiswal. Shane watson really had bad things to say about RCB management. He felt like all batsmen were playing for their places all the time as they don't give enough chances to survive. Environment is key. Any other team would have made Lomror a regular player now and pushed up the order. Lone Wolf and Ultimate_Game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 RCB and team India rely on the following two facts: (1) it is more profitable to have a few "superstars" (kapil, SRT, kohli) instead of an all-round competent team; and (2) most indians (including invisible majority on ICF) are satisfied with SFs and Fs, not wins. When we combine (1) and (2), we see why RCB and India continue to be a well-followed enterprise. It is a shrewd business model. Ultimate_Game and Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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