Kohli - Greatest player in white-ball cricket!!!

[New guy]

32 minutes ago, King6 said:

Yes impact wise ponting > sachin in 2000s

Ghanta impact, give Sachin or Kohli half the players and they would win way more. It's easier to have impact when you have openers like Hayden and Gilchrist to bully bowlers and demoralize them even before you come to bat (like it happened in 2003 final)

Edited July 23, 2024 by New guy

[New guy]

49 minutes ago, Kron said:

Both kohli and sacchu were stat padders tbh. Kohli won everything in LOI and also won maces in tests but he could have won a lot more given how strong our bowling was/is.

 

Sacchu had the excuse of weak bowling attsck though. 

 

He definitely played for stats over winning though in LOI. Even in tests sometimes.

 

 

Sachin had one of the fastest conversion form 50 to 100, 70 to 100 and 90 to 100 of all time. This lie about stat padding was peddled mostly by Pakistanis including ramiz Raja and gullible Indians (and some fans of players like dravid) started peddling this myth like crazy. 

[Kron]

4 minutes ago, New guy said:

Sachin had one of the fastest conversion form 50 to 100, 70 to 100 and 90 to 100 of all time. This lie about stat padding was peddled mostly by Pakistanis including ramiz Raja and gullible Indians (and some fans of players like dravid) started peddling this myth like crazy. 

Don't recall him ever playing a series defining innings which helped us win in SA, aus or even England. 

 

But that could be due to poor bowling attack. Give sacchu 2015 to 2022 bowling attack of india and he would plunder and mutilate teams. He was much better technically than virat.

[New guy]

10 minutes ago, Kron said:

Don't recall him ever playing a series defining innings which helped us win in SA, aus or even England. 

 

But that could be due to poor bowling attack. Give sacchu 2015 to 2022 bowling attack of india and he would plunder and mutilate teams. He was much better technically than virat.

He helped us win the first ever series we won in Australia by contributing in both of the finals of the CB cup(Sri Lanka was the second team)

 

He also helped India win the first series against australia outside India in the sharjah cup by contributing both to last match and then the final  (desert Strom innings). 

 

Australia was his most favorite opponent

[Kron]

2 minutes ago, New guy said:

He helped us win the first ever series we won in Australia by contributing in both of the finals of the CB cup(Sri Lanka was the second team)

 

He also helped India win the first series against australia outside India in the sharjah cup by contributing both to last match and then the final  (desert Strom innings). 

 

Australia was his most favorite opponent

Test match I mean. Always tests. Not odi. But even that odi series when we won Waa without mcg. 

[New guy]

4 minutes ago, Kron said:

Test match I mean. Always tests. Not odi. But even that odi series when we won Waa without mcg. 

With a single bumrah he would have won way more series overseas, let alone the entire attack of bumrah, shami, etc

 

Look at how many draws we had as batting did well but bowling could not take 20 wickets.

 

For a decade in Australia our record was something like 2 lost, 1 won, 5 draws. It was best among any country touring Australia

Edited July 23, 2024 by New guy

[Kron]

1 minute ago, New guy said:

With a single bumrah he would have won way more series overseas, let alone the entire attack of bumrah, shami, etc

Well bumrah sirnath would have been a devastating duo

 

Bumrah is not meek like srinarh who despite being rapid had a very meek attitude. 

 

Bumrah is like a serpent. He will take you by surprise. He is not in your face but he will not hesitate to hurt you. 

 

Bumrah reminds me of steyn minus the steyn celebrations. 

[New guy]

4 minutes ago, Kron said:

Well bumrah sirnath would have been a devastating duo

 

Bumrah is not meek like srinarh who despite being rapid had a very meek attitude. 

 

Bumrah is like a serpent. He will take you by surprise. He is not in your face but he will not hesitate to hurt you. 

 

Bumrah reminds me of steyn minus the steyn celebrations. 

I edited to add, for an entire decade (200s) our record in Australia was something like 3 lost, 2 won and 5 draws, it was best among g any country touring Australia when Australia had the strongest team

 

We just had too many draws everywhere as our bowling couldn't take 20 wickets. 

Edited July 23, 2024 by New guy

[King6]

44 minutes ago, New guy said:

You really think that playing at no 6,7 gives players enough balls?

 

Their stats are extremely close and Sachin was top for way way longer. How does that prove ponting was greater than Sachin? Sachins stat is almost a combination of 2-3 greats over different periods, that's how consistent he was.

 

You have compared him to Ponting, but he was compared to Anwar, Inzi, De Silva, Lara, Richards, waugh brothers, jayasurya, and even way older players like Marshall. In the modern era he is compared with kohli, rohit, Hayden, and many more.  He was THE benchmark in 2 and half decades. That's the biggest sign of greatness of a player, ponting was compared to him, Sachin was never compared to ponting. Even today after retiring from ODIs for 13 years he is still the benchmark 

 

Sachin is such a phenomenon that he has played over 10% of all ODIs every played (no, not just India but all ODIs by any country), so if you choose any scoreboard at random, there is over 10% chance that Sachin would have featured in it.

Sachin was bad at no3 n no4 too.. In 2000s ponting better than sachin in both odis n tests

[King6]

46 minutes ago, New guy said:

Sachin had one of the fastest conversion form 50 to 100, 70 to 100 and 90 to 100 of all time. This lie about stat padding was peddled mostly by Pakistanis including ramiz Raja and gullible Indians (and some fans of players like dravid) started peddling this myth like crazy. 

Most ODI Centuries with 100+ SR 34 times -

Kohli (34/50) 25 times - ABD (25/25) 24 times - Sachin (24/49) 21 times - Rohit (21/31) 18 times - Jayasuriya (18/28) 18 times - Warner (18/22) 13 times - De Kock (13/21) 13 times - Gilchrist (13/16) 13 times - Lara (13/19) 13 times - Sangakkara (13/25)

[King6]

30 minutes ago, New guy said:

With a single bumrah he would have won way more series overseas, let alone the entire attack of bumrah, shami, etc

 

Look at how many draws we had as batting did well but bowling could not take 20 wickets.

 

For a decade in Australia our record was something like 2 lost, 1 won, 5 draws. It was best among any country touring Australia

Dravid, laxman n sehwaag deserved bumrah 

[New guy]

10 minutes ago, King6 said:

Most ODI Centuries with 100+ SR 34 times -

Kohli (34/50) 25 times - ABD (25/25) 24 times - Sachin (24/49) 21 times - Rohit (21/31) 18 times - Jayasuriya (18/28) 18 times - Warner (18/22) 13 times - De Kock (13/21) 13 times - Gilchrist (13/16) 13 times - Lara (13/19) 13 times - Sangakkara (13/25)

What is your source of the above, I doubt its correct as we dont have ball wise data for a lot of Sachin's 100 as earlier scorers didnt keep track of balls. You dont end up with strike rate of 86 overall if most of your big innings dont have 100+ strike rate. 

 

Also, are you ignoring he played half his cricket in a completely different time when 220 was a good score? Every single one of your example except Lara and Jaya are from a later time? What was his strike  The chief selfish accusation is if he slows down nearing 100, stats shows he doesnt. 

 

Its hilarious how you are randomly picking and choosing stats which make no sense. 

[New guy]

17 minutes ago, King6 said:

Dravid, laxman n sehwaag deserved bumrah 

 

And again why are you showing less than 15% of Sachin's career? What does that prove?

 

your stats reminds me of the W63L45 guy on Pakpassion, a great data accumulator, we have some junior guys like that who work in my office. They collate the data and hand over to data scientists for analysis, they are great at collating data but have zero sense to do any actual analysis on them

 

Once that W63L45 guy showed data which showed rapes increased in summer and his conclusion was it was because women worse shorter dress in summer. Wont be surprised if you are not the same guy trolling here, you have made some random posts to pull some cricinfo data but have not replied to even one single rebuttal

Edited July 23, 2024 by New guy

[diga]

26 minutes ago, King6 said:

Dravid, laxman n sehwaag deserved bumrah 

We started winning more in 2000s than the 90s with a better batting line-up. Would credit Dalmiya and vengsarkar ( who was the talent development officer) for pushing Dravid, VVS or Sehwag 

[diga]

14 minutes ago, New guy said:

 

And again why are you showing less than 15% of Sachin's career? What does that prove?

 

your stats reminds me of the W63L45 guy on Pakpassion, a great data accumulator, we have some junior guys like that who work in my office. They collate the data and hand over to data scientists for analysis, they are great at collating data but have zero sense to do any actual analysis on them

 

Once that W63L45 guy showed data which showed rapes increased in summer and his conclusion was it was because women worse shorter dress in summer. Wont be surprised if you are not the same guy trolling here, you have made some random posts to pull some cricinfo data but have not replied to even one single rebuttal

No doubt SRT was the numero-uno, but end of the day, it's a team game and across different series, different batsmen have shined and you don't seem to reconcile to that fact 

[King6]

33 minutes ago, New guy said:

What is your source of the above, I doubt its correct as we dont have ball wise data for a lot of Sachin's 100 as earlier scorers didnt keep track of balls. You dont end up with strike rate of 86 overall if most of your big innings dont have 100+ strike rate. 

 

Also, are you ignoring he played half his cricket in a completely different time when 220 was a good score? Every single one of your example except Lara and Jaya are from a later time? What was his strike  The chief selfish accusation is if he slows down nearing 100, stats shows he doesnt. 

 

Its hilarious how you are randomly picking and choosing stats which make no sense. 

Source

[King6]

29 minutes ago, New guy said:

 

And again why are you showing less than 15% of Sachin's career? What does that prove?

 

your stats reminds me of the W63L45 guy on Pakpassion, a great data accumulator, we have some junior guys like that who work in my office. They collate the data and hand over to data scientists for analysis, they are great at collating data but have zero sense to do any actual analysis on them

 

Once that W63L45 guy showed data which showed rapes increased in summer and his conclusion was it was because women worse shorter dress in summer. Wont be surprised if you are not the same guy trolling here, you have made some random posts to pull some cricinfo data but have not replied to even one single rebuttal

one decade(10 yrs) stats vs top teams.. 

[Kron]

Who did coolie score against though. Mostly stat padded vs shitty under strength sides.

 

Tenda too never scored vs mcg. 

 

Both kings of stat padding vs under strength teams

 

Along sacchu dint do well vs donald and wasn't that impressive wasim

 

Coolie too sucked vs top bowlers.

[cpct]

22 minutes ago, Kron said:

Who did coolie score against though. Mostly stat padded vs shitty under strength sides.

 

Tenda too never scored vs mcg. 

 

Both kings of stat padding vs under strength teams

 

Along sacchu dint do well vs donald and wasn't that impressive wasim

 

Coolie too sucked vs top bowlers.

But Kohli performed well against Rabada and it's company in south africa.

[Adamant]

Obviously, why the fk is it even debatable?

 

The GOAT white ball player bar none.

Also the GOAT ASIAN TEST CAPTAIN

 

And that’s the bottom line