Paris Olympics 2024 Discussion Thread

[Kron]

3 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

not champion mindset.

 

infra which follows with money.

 

brazil were also pretty bad until 1996.

Even Brazil average family income is 17 k

 

India only like 9 k or something

[deathmonger]

Just now, Kron said:

Even Brazil average family income is 17 k

 

India only like 9 k or something

we are currently at brazil early 90s level or korea early 80s.

 

the next 10-12 years is the big push. infra, sports etc

 

by the end of it we'll be quite decent sports wise and cricket way above the other teams

[nitinbwj]

That freak 92.97m throw puts Nadeem in the top 6 Javelin throwers of the world. Nadeem is 6th.Chopra ranks 24th 

 

[zen]

2 hours ago, Kron said:

Sadly government don't care about reputation of the nation. Don't provide funding either. Not enough. 

Even with almost zero support, with a population of 1.4B, a country should be able to find like 5 Gold medals!

 

The continent of Africa has similar population (and challenges). Its gold tally is 10+.

 

Asian countries like Iran, former USSR countries, etc., have a handful of gold medals too.

 

 

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Even with almost zero support, with a population of 1.4B, a country should be able to find like 5 Gold medals!

 

The continent of Africa has similar population (and challenges). Its gold tally is 10+.

 

Asian countries like Iran, former USSR countries, etc., have a handful of gold medals too.

 

 

naah poverty is a thing

 

africa is not a country. its a continent. so it has all the advantages of that like being able to field more candidates as there are no country limitations on a continent. (eu similarly has more golds than usa)

 

most of the golds are from way richer countries (south africa, botswana, egypt, algeria etc). plus genetics is also a thing. most of the sub saharan  african countries didnt medal.

 

iran, former ussr are way richer than india. it would take india 20-25 years to reach that point.

 

most ppl dont realize how poor india is

 

population size doesn't matter when most are poor

 

 

 

[zen]

8 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

naah poverty is a thing

 

africa is not a country. its a continent. so it has all the advantages of that like being able to field more candidates as there are no country limitations on a continent. (eu similarly has more golds than usa)

 

most of the golds are from way richer countries (south africa, botswana, egypt, algeria etc). plus genetics is also a thing. most of the sub saharan  african countries didnt medal.

 

iran, former ussr are way richer than india. it would take india 20-25 years to reach that point.

 

most ppl dont realize how poor india is

 

population size doesn't matter when most are poor

 

With a population of 1.4B, it should NOT be difficult to pick up a few gold medals. 
 

African countries like Kenya have similar GDP per capita as Ind’s but has managed a handful of golds. It may have the most golds for any African nation.
 

India is generally not that good in sports. GOI should look to stay away from such events or only send those who meet international gold or silver medal standards. 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2024 by zen

[Kron]

19 minutes ago, zen said:

Even with almost zero support, with a population of 1.4B, a country should be able to find like 5 Gold medals!

 

The continent of Africa has similar population (and challenges). Its gold tally is 10+.

 

Asian countries like Iran, former USSR countries, etc., have a handful of gold medals too.

 

 

Don't have the support from parents though. Kids in general. In India. You would know how corrupt the system is anyway. But yes as mentioned above poverty is still widespread in India. It will take some time. Sports is for people who have time on their hands. In India most are just focusing on surviving really. 

 

It's lack of sports culture. Besides if you see we had many 4th place finishes this time. Choking under pressure. Like cricket. 

 

It's mentality. That's where we need change. There is talent and physical ability.

Edited August 12, 2024 by Kron

[deathmonger]

Just now, zen said:

With a population of 1.4B, it should NOT be difficult to pick up a few gold medals. 
 

You have listed African countries where countries like Kenya have similar GDP per capita as Ind’s but has managed a handful of golds. It may have the most golds for any African nation.
 

India is generally not that good in sports. GOI should look to stay away from such events or only send those who meet international gold or silver medal standards. 

 

 

naaah it is difficult.

 

kenyans have genetic advantage and long time infra for running.

 

nigeria, the most popualted african country got 0 medals.

 

1.4 billion most of the population is poor. and then out of the small pool who are interested/good at sports, infra is poor.

 

no one "meets" standards when poor. it has to be built up.

 

imagine you have 3 average college students and 100000 brilliant 5 year olds. you have them do a class x maths exam. who do you think will win the gold, silver, bronze there?

 

ind is doing well and improving. in a decades time there will be 4-5 golds.

 

i mean we've been playing cricket since the 20s. only became good in the 2000s.

[zen]

Just now, Kron said:

Don't have the support from parents though. Kids in general. In India. You would know how corrupt the system is anyway. But yes as mentioned above poverty is still widespread in India. It will take some time. Sports is for people who have time on their hands. In India most are just focusing on surviving really. 

Buddy, give them all the support but India will find new excuses not medals. 

My interest in such events have come down over the years because of India.

[deathmonger]

Just now, zen said:

Buddy, give them all the support but India will find new excuses not medals. 

My interest in such events have come down over the years because of India.

not excuses. facts.

 

most poor countries suck in sports.

[Kron]

Just now, deathmonger said:

naaah it is difficult.

 

kenyans have genetic advantage and long time infra for running.

 

nigeria, the most popualted african country got 0 medals.

 

1.4 billion most of the population is poor. and then out of the small pool who are interested/good at sports, infra is poor.

 

no one "meets" standards when poor. it has to be built up.

 

imagine you have 3 average college students and 100000 brilliant 5 year olds. you have them do a class x maths exam. who do you think will win the gold, silver, bronze there?

 

ind is doing well and improving. in a decades time there will be 4-5 golds.

 

i mean we've been playing cricket since the 20s. only became good in the 2000s.

2005 onwards is when we really changed in test cricket. 

In odi about 2003 after 1985.

We were crap from 1986 to about 2001 ish

 

If you look at last 10 years records for odi and tests and t20. India easily has the best win % and overall record. Even In icc events in league stage they always dominate. Need some luck in semis and finals.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Potatoes looks good though? Add some meat and that would be sweet. Got to say though Indian food by far without doubt is the tastiest. 100% I have tried all kinds of cuisines. Taste wise no one comes close. Hence then reason why nobody really wants to give it up haha. 

 

But yes diet needs to change organically for everyone. Athletes need to be strict with diets. 

Potatoes along will Milk and egg are sufficient can provide cheap protein source per meal.

Indian cuisine no doubt has good variety but common staple diet as I said is equivalent to dog food in the West.

As long as protein deficiency exists India will struggle to be even half decent sporting region.

 

No wonder we depend so much on Haryana Punjab where staple diet is at least decent at least.

Edited August 12, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[Kron]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Buddy, give them all the support but India will find new excuses not medals. 

My interest in such events have come down over the years because of India.

Let's see what happens when we atleast reach 20 k average household income. Right now they don't have all the support. 

 

I understand the frustration. Honestly I am too as I do feel we have the physical ability. It's mental strength that we are lacking in big tourneys. 

 

Need to hire more foreign coaches instead of these babbus in India who are just there through quota

[deathmonger]

Just now, Kron said:

2005 onwards is when we really changed in test cricket. 

In odi about 2003 after 1985.

We were crap from 1986 to about 2001 ish

 

If you look at last 10 years records for odi and tests and t20. India easily has the best win % and overall record. Even In icc events in league stage they always dominate. Need some luck in semis and finals.

indias real jump came in mid 2010s when we finally got world class bowlers.

 

the 2010s were basically india almost getting through but failing before finally breaking through this year.

 

other sports will follow same trajectory.

[Kron]

3 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Potatoes along will Milk and egg are sufficient can provide cheap protein source per meal.

Indian cuisine no doubt has good variety but common staple diet as I said is equivalent to dog food in the West.

As long as protein deficiency exists India will be even half decent sporting region.

No wonder we depend so much on Haryana Punjab where staple diet is at least decent at least.

Also don't forget many states won't eat meat on certain days per week lmao. 

[Kron]

3 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

indias real jump came in mid 2010s when we finally got world class bowlers.

 

the 2010s were basically india almost getting through but failing before finally breaking through this year.

 

other sports will follow same trajectory.

Bcci has so much money that they can lend like 200 mil a year easy to fund other sports in India. But......that would be counter productive and it would likely increase their competition lol. They would never do it and they don't have to. 

[zen]

Just now, deathmonger said:

naaah it is difficult.

 

kenyans have genetic advantage and long time infra for running.

 

nigeria, the most popualted african country got 0 medals.

 

1.4 billion most of the population is poor. and then out of the small pool who are interested/good at sports, infra is poor.

 

no one "meets" standards when poor. it has to be built up.

 

imagine you have 3 average college students and 100000 brilliant 5 year olds. you have them do a class x maths exam. who do you think will win the gold, silver, bronze there?

 

ind is doing well and improving. in a decades time there will be 4-5 golds.

 

i mean we've been playing cricket since the 20s. only became good in the 2000s.

In decades, the “global” performances level would have gone up too. 
 

In cricket, other countries are said to be losing interest. Countries like BD, NZ, SL, etc., compete based on a handful of pockets like Dhaka, Colombo, etc. 
 

India is just poor in sports in general. We hardly find people of Indian origin in rich countries do well in popular sports (there can be a few exceptions). 
 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

7 minutes ago, Kron said:

Also don't forget many states won't eat meat on certain days per week lmao. 

Also add pickle and appalam saar..  I wonder who was the jack** who pushed such dietary habits on to us Indians... I am sure as f***in certain Chad Ancient Indians would laugh at us looking at our food habits.

Absolutely wrecked our genetic potential in every capacity.

[zen]

Even in cricket, if we have standard sporting pitches everywhere (like in hockey or football), India will lose its relative competitiveness despite BCCI’s $$$s. 
 

 

[deathmonger]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

In decades, the “global” performances level would have gone up too. 
 

In cricket, other countries are said to be losing interest. Countries like BD, NZ, SL, etc., compete based on a handful of pockets like Dhaka, Colombo, etc. 
 

India is just poor in sports in general. We hardly find people of Indian origin in rich countries do well in popular sports (there can be a few exceptions). 
 

 

 

 

global performance levels are relative to wealth. first world countries are saturated and are at their potential.

 

india being poorer will rise faster. ofc i expect asean countries and african countries to do better as well as they rise. india's performance in lower level stuff liek asian games, cwg is evident. even in olympics it has improved a lot but only top 3 get medals.

 

think of a seed buried beneath the soil. might take tiem to poke through but it is growing.

 

people of indian origin in rich countries don't do well due to pattern of migration/caste. they do well in educational/financial fields which is the domain of vast majority of indian immigrants abroad.