bowl_out Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 1 hour ago, maniac said: Same person didn’t have guts to drop MSD after 8-0 trashing as chief selector True that. MSD should have been dropped from Test captaincy. But as a player, he was still decent till 2013 I think. Got a 200 vs Aus in the Chennai test.. Was nowhere as bad as how Rohit is now. maniac and Lord 1 1
vvvslaxman Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 (edited) 1 minute ago, bowl_out said: True that. MSD should have been dropped from Test captaincy. But as a player, he was still decent till 2013 I think. Got a 200 vs Aus in the Chennai test.. Was nowhere as bad as how Rohit is now. Even as a captain he lost only overseas until that 1-2 series loss to England. That was a good ENgland side atleast battingwise. This bozo lost a home series to a tukka team like New zealand who got creamed by Srilanka and England. Edited December 31, 2024 by vvvslaxman Lord 1
Lord Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Yes. We did discuss here about that. TINA factor was the reason why MSD was persisted as it happened during transition. ALmost all seniors left. We were left with Gambhir who himself was not consistent. Sehwag,Gambhir were there. Sometimes you have to make changes just as punitive measure, even if temporarily.
Lord Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 Just now, vvvslaxman said: Even as a captain he lost only overseas. This bozo lost a home series to a tukka team like New zealand who got creamed by Srilanka and England. Dhoni lost to Eng though it was a much better team, Kohli in 7 year run never lost or even drew at home
vvvslaxman Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 Just now, Lord said: Sehwag,Gambhir were there. Sometimes you have to make changes just as punitive measure, even if temporarily. I think Gambhir was one of the casualty after ENgland series loss. Srikkanth lost his job after the series. Murali vijay rightfully took over as opener. Sehwag was poor as batsman as well. Both were not even part of the XI reguarly to captain the side.
vvvslaxman Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lord said: Dhoni lost to Eng though it was a much better team, Kohli in 7 year run never lost or even drew at home This is not to defend MSD. This is to explain why Cheeka could not fire him as captain. There was nobody in 2012 ready for captaincy as their spot itself was uncertain. We had a thread called TINA factor or something on this. Edited December 31, 2024 by vvvslaxman
Lord Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I think Gambhir was one of the casualty after ENgland series loss. Srikkanth lost his job after the series. Murali vijay rightfully took over as opener. Sehwag was poor as batsman as well. Both were not even part of the XI reguarly to captain the side. that way even Dhoni was underperforming as batsman in that period. He only recovered form in 2013 Aus series
vvvslaxman Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 Just now, Lord said: that way even Dhoni was underperforming as batsman in that period. He only recovered form in 2013 Aus series 2011 was a box office year for MSD upto a point. There was no way they were going to drop him during transition as we were losing the big 4 at that tpoint. It was critical phase. Almost everyone was early in their career apart from Viru/Gambhir/Zak/Bhajji. Zak himself didn't last long after that. Yea.. his captaincy was pathetic in Tests. INdia had no real alternative at that point.
The Dark Horse Posted December 31, 2024 Author Posted December 31, 2024 In that phase Dhoni was a horrible test captain, no two ways about it. Lord 1
vvvslaxman Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 3 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: In that phase Dhoni was a horrible test captain, no two ways about it. He was horrible. But i have to say Rohit has beat MSD in terms of horrible captaincy. Even with GOAT bowling performances from Bumrah against a weak Australian , NZ side he has totally failed. Losing a home series with Ashwin/Jadeja/Bumrah/Kuldeep/SUndar/Jaiswal/Pant is the ultimate low point a captain can achieve. Lord 1
Lord Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 Just now, vvvslaxman said: He was horrible. But i have to say Rohit has beat MSD in terms of horrible captaincy. Even with GOAT bowling performances from Bumrah against a weak Australian , NZ side he has totally failed. Losing a home series with Ashwin/Jadeja/Bumrah/Kuldeep/SUndar/Jaiswal/Pant is the ultimate low point a captain can achieve. Rohit is easily worst captain I've seen.
Vijy Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 25 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: He was horrible. But i have to say Rohit has beat MSD in terms of horrible captaincy. Even with GOAT bowling performances from Bumrah against a weak Australian , NZ side he has totally failed. Losing a home series with Ashwin/Jadeja/Bumrah/Kuldeep/SUndar/Jaiswal/Pant is the ultimate low point a captain can achieve. That's not true. Wait till we lose 5-0 vs Eng and also until we lose against Bang at home under his captaincy. We know it will happen, since he won't retire vvvslaxman 1
Vijy Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 When it comes to retirement, the great Vijay Merchant - about whom I have written more in the thread on Kohli and top 5 Ind test batters - shared his thoughts on the subject, which remain as valid today as it was back then:
The Dark Horse Posted January 1, 2025 Author Posted January 1, 2025 7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: He was horrible. But i have to say Rohit has beat MSD in terms of horrible captaincy. Even with GOAT bowling performances from Bumrah against a weak Australian , NZ side he has totally failed. Losing a home series with Ashwin/Jadeja/Bumrah/Kuldeep/SUndar/Jaiswal/Pant is the ultimate low point a captain can achieve. Imagine bringing Umesh Yadav suddenly to this team in Aus now. Dhoni did that with RP Singh during England tour. He wasn't even playing first class cricket at that time. He had a big paunch and struggled to bowl early 120 kph deliveries.
Vijy Posted January 1, 2025 Posted January 1, 2025 (edited) 15 hours ago, The Dark Horse said: Imagine bringing Umesh Yadav suddenly to this team in Aus now. Dhoni did that with RP Singh during England tour. He wasn't even playing first class cricket at that time. He had a big paunch and struggled to bowl early 120 kph deliveries. R. Paunch Singh was fun to watch. looked like a village club cricketer, which he was at that point Edited January 1, 2025 by Vijy The Dark Horse 1
Lord Posted January 1, 2025 Posted January 1, 2025 15 hours ago, The Dark Horse said: Imagine bringing Umesh Yadav suddenly to this team in Aus now. Dhoni did that with RP Singh during England tour. He wasn't even playing first class cricket at that time. He had a big paunch and struggled to bowl early 120 kph deliveries. Umesh atleast is fit last I checked. This was like bringing Varun Aaron in his current state The Dark Horse 1
Vijy Posted January 1, 2025 Posted January 1, 2025 2 minutes ago, Lord said: Umesh atleast is fit last I checked. This was like bringing Varun Aaron in his current state they should bring in undercutter again. Lord 1
The Dark Horse Posted January 1, 2025 Author Posted January 1, 2025 7 minutes ago, Lord said: Umesh atleast is fit last I checked. This was like bringing Varun Aaron in his current state Yep...Don't think there is any cricketer worse than RPS was at that time..
Vijy Posted January 1, 2025 Posted January 1, 2025 2 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: Yep...Don't think there is any cricketer worse than RPS was at that time.. He should have been called Roly Poly Singh (RP Singh) The Dark Horse 1
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