Jaffar Express Train hijacked by Baloch Liberation Army in Bolan of Balochistan

[mishra]

^ See, Question is if, Iran HAs nukes or NOT?
if answer is No, then Negotiate with them to let go of their nuclear ambitions and if need be, attack via shortest route.

 

if answer is Yes, then can’t attack them, then use Baloch route to make them pay the price of having nukes and engage rhem in a never ending war.

 

 If you don’t know answer to above question you prepare for both eventually.

 

PS: Most likely Iran has nukes or very close to making nukes

Edited March 18, 2025 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ See, Iran HAs nukes or NOT?
if answer is No, they don’t. Negotiate with them to let go of their nuclear ambitions and if need be, attack via shortest route.

 

if answer is Yes, then can’t attack them, then use Baloch route to make them pay the price of having nukes and engage rhem in a never ending war.

 

 If you don’t know answer to above question you prepare for both eventually.

i still dont understand this genius idea of using balochis and balochistan against Iran over Kurds and Kurdistan and arabs in iraq....plenty of sunni arabs and sunni kurds exist who wanna go mess with Iran- far far more than balochis, thats far easier and quicker way to go about it.

All i can say is, if the idea to punish Iran is to set balochistan on fire, bwahahaha, good luck, this would be first time ever in history someone's hurt iran via balochistan. who am i to say it cant be done, i can grab popcorn and maybe enjoy history be made, but i shall remain a skeptic of this way of going about hurting Iran until i see it happen as this would be first time ever in history :)

 

 

 

[mishra]

^ Central idea of a war with China is to lit fire in every location/country where BRi exists. There is Chineses method in Choosing BRI route. So burning and burying those specific regions is also methodical madness.

 

Iran gets insulated from Pakistan. US teaches a valuable lesson to Pakjabistan not to bite hand that feeds you. 

Edited March 18, 2025 by mishra

[Lone Wolf]

@mishra @Serpico  I think Trump has been eyeing Iran & Balochistan is definitely on the menu Table.  BRI would be automatically toast... jernails are already in CIA's pockets.  All these attacks are no coincidence.

 

While a Independent Baloch country is out of question there would definitely be boots on ground in next couple of years going by timeline.

 

An excellent game plan has been drawn by the NATO block….keep Russia in hope that US working for terminating Ukrainian conflict to their advantage…this will allow US & Israel to simply finish Iranian threat…once Iranian threat is over than NATO block will resume Ukrainian war

[Muloghonto]

5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

@mishra @Serpico  I think Trump has been eyeing Iran & Balochistan is definitely on the menu Table.  BRI would be automatically toast... jernails are already in CIA's pockets.  All these attacks are no coincidence.

 

While a Independent Baloch country is out of question there would definitely be boots on ground in next couple of years going by timeline.

 

An excellent game plan has been drawn by the NATO block….keep Russia in hope that US working for terminating Ukrainian conflict to their advantage…this will allow US & Israel to simply finish Iranian threat…once Iranian threat is over than NATO block will resume Ukrainian war

 

Yeah, if that is the plan, then mark my prediction : USA/NATO will keep showing why they keep losing wars to dehati Asian rice-farmers and goat-herding wife-beaters despite trying to win for 20+ years.

If this is the game-plan, then all we can say is GOOD LUCK TRUMPWA, because this game-plan has never ever been done in history by anyone ( Hurt Iran via Balochistan) and whether its excellent or 'see this is why its never ever been done in history before' , we can only judge after finishing our popcorns watching this happen- if it happens.

 

If Trumpwa can do what not even Alexander could do - show up in heartland of Iran in might VIA balochistan - he will surely go down as one of history's most genius conquerors too.

 

Edited March 22, 2025 by Muloghonto

[mishra]

Balochistan is still not fitting fully into puzzle piece of US  India, China, Pakistan Iran Afgan, 

 

I think, May be I have to startwith elimination logic to se if something fits

 

[AuxiliA]

Another relative of Hafeez Saeed and top LeT terrorist shot dead in Karachi. 

 

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/terrorist-pakistan-lashkar-fundraiser-qari-shahzada-shot-dead-killed-in-karachi-hafeez-saeed

[mishra]

On 3/22/2025 at 11:13 PM, mishra said:

Balochistan is still not fitting fully into puzzle piece of US  India, China, Pakistan Iran Afgan, 

 

I think, May be I have to startwith elimination logic to se if something fits

 

Now I believe that Baloch issue is self inflicted by Pakjabistan. It looks like there is a issue of freedom and equality. Massive back stabbing to people of Balochistan starting from Jinnah himself.

 

Hope rest of world can muster the courage to support Balochs freedom movement despite it not being in their strategic interest. Question mark is on EU ME US India if they can and how far they can support Balochs freedom movement 

[Lone Wolf]

30 minutes ago, mishra said:

Now I believe that Baloch issue is self inflicted by Pakjabistan. It looks like there is a issue of freedom and equality. Massive back stabbing to people of Balochistan starting from Jinnah himself.

 

Hope rest of world can muster the courage to support Balochs freedom movement despite it not being in their strategic interest. Question mark is on EU ME US India if they can and how far they can support Balochs freedom movement 

Balochistan has substantial non Baloch Population..  Muslim Jats are roughly 10%, then you have Sindhis, Pashtuns & Pakjabis etc ..

Balochs are in majority but it is not like that Bengal or Bangladesh type ethnic situation.

 

 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Balochistan has substantial non Baloch Population..  Muslim Jats are roughly 10%, then you have Sindhis, Pashtuns & Pakjabis etc ..

Balochs are in majority but it is not like that Bengal or Bangladesh type ethnic situation.

 

 

Similar to Hamirpur in Stolen Kashmir. Non Kashmiris settled for demographic change

Edited March 25, 2025 by mishra

[mishra]

https://www.indiatoday.in/history-of-it/story/balochistan-kalat-pakistan-muhammad-ali-jinnah-khan-mir-ahmed-yar-2422804-2023-08-18

 

As story says, Balochistan was supposed to go Bhutan or Nepal route. Jinnah played game there

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At the dawn of India's Independence in 1947, the region now known as Balochistan was partitioned into four princely states: Kalat, Kharan, Las Bela, and Makaran. These states were presented with three options: merge with India, join Pakistan, or maintain their independence. Under the influence of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Kharan, Las Bela, and Makaran chose to become part of Pakistan.

Kalat, however, held a unique position due to the Treaty of 1876. This agreement granted Kalat internal autonomy, free from British interference, placing it in category B alongside Sikkim and Bhutan, unlike other Indian princely states.

Therefore, Kalat was not obligated to join either India or Pakistan and was not a member of The Chamber of Princely States. Therefore, Khan Mir Ahmed Yar Khan, also known as Khan of Kalat, its last ruler, opted for independence.

 

In 1946, Khan of Kalat appointed Muhammad Ali Jinnah as his legal advisor to represent his case before the British Crown -- a move that would prove costly to him and his country.

On August 4, 1947, a meeting was convened in Delhi, attended by Lord Mountbatten -- India's last viceroy, Khan of Kalat, Chief Minister of Kalat, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, and Jawaharlal Nehru. In this meeting, Jinnah supported Khan of Kalat's decision for independence. As a result, it was agreed that Kalat would be independent from August 5, 1947, and Kharan and Las Bela were instructed to merge with Kalat to form a complete Balochistan -- on Jinnah's insistence.

On August 11, 1947, a treaty was signed between Kalat and the Muslim League, recognising Kalat as an independent state, and promising that the Muslim League would respect Balochistan's independence.

On August 15, 1947, the same day India gained independence, Kalat also declared its independence. The traditional flag was hoisted, and a khutbah (Islamic sermon) was read in the name of the Khan of Kalat as an independent ruler.

JINNAH'S BETRAYAL

The Khan of Kalat expected the territories acquired by Britain through treaties in the late 19th century to be returned after 1947. Despite meetings with Mountbatten and recognition of Kalat's status as an independent sovereign state, the British issued a memorandum on September 12, stating that the Khan of Kalat was not in a position to undertake the international responsibilities of an independent state.

This was just what Pakistan under Jinnah needed to force the merger of Kalat.

In October 1947, when the Khan of Kalat visited Pakistan, he was received like the King of Balochistan by thousands of Baloch people in Karachi. However, contrary to diplomatic tradition, he was not received by the governor general or by the prime minister of Pakistan -- signalling a change in Pakistan's intentions.

In his book 'Baloch Nationalism: Its Origin and Development up to 1980', Taj Mohammad Breseeg mentions the meeting between Jinnah and Khan, wherein the Pakistani PM advised the latter to expedite the merger with Islamabad.

Khan refused Jinnah's demand and said, "As Baluchistan is a land of numerous tribes and the people there must be consulted in the affairs before any decision. I take, according to the common tribal convention, no decision, which can be binding upon them unless they are taken into confidence by their Khan."

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Following Jinnah’s proposal on Kalat’s merger, the Khan of Kalat summoned the legislature’s meeting, in which both houses of its Parliament not only unanimously opposed the merger proposal but also argued that it was against the spirit of the earlier agreement.

But the pressure was building up.

Realising the gravity of the situation, Khan instructed his commander-in-chief, Brigadier General Purves, to reorganise the forces and arrange arms and ammunition.

In December 1947, General Purves approached the Commonwealth Relations office and the Ministry of Supply in London for the supply of arms, but the British refused his demand, saying Kalat wouldn't get any military support without Pakistan government’s approval.

Khan also tried to rally the support of the Baloch sardars (leaders), but barring two, no one sided with him.

When Jinnah saw that Khan was only buying time, he announced the separation of Kharan, Las Bela, and Mekran regions on March 18, 1948. This left Kalat as an island, notes Dushka H Saiyid in his book 'The Accession of Kalat: Myth And Reality'. Many Baloch sardars were willing to side with Pakistan, leaving Khan helpless.

ALL INDIA RADIO'S ANNOUNCEMENT AND KHAN'S SURRENDER

At the same time, however, Khan desperately requested Indian authorities and the Afghan king for help, but with no success.

On March 27, 1948, the All India Radio quoted VP Menon, Secretary of the Department of States, as saying that the Khan of Kalat had approached India for accession but New Delhi was not in a position to do anything. The statement was later contradicted by then Home Minister Sardar Patel and then by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru.By then, Khan had yielded.

On March 26, the Pakistan Army moved into the Baloch coastal region of Pasni, Jiwani and Turbat. Khan had no option but to agree to Jinnah's terms.

Khan also had to reject VP Menon's claim of seeking support from India and on the same day, he announced the merger of Kalat with Pakistan.

Thus, after a brief period of independence, 227 days in all, Kalat became a part of Pakistan.

Khan defined the matter of signing the merger document as a "dictate of history".

"I confess, I knew I was exceeding the scope of my mandate... [but] had I not taken the immediate step of signing Kalat’s merger, the...British Agent to the Governor-General could have played havoc by leading Pakistan into a fratricide war against the Baluches," Khan said, according to Taj Mohammad Breseeg's book.

INSURGENCY AND STRUGGLE FOR SOVEREIGNTY

The forceful integration of Kalat into Pakistan sowed the seeds of discontent and resistance among the Baloch people. Many Baloch nationalists viewed the annexation as a betrayal of their autonomy and an infringement upon their cultural identity. They rose in defiance under the leadership of Prince Abdul Karim, the brother of Khan of Kalat, in 1948. But this insurgency was suppressed by the Pakistani army and Prince Karim was arrested.

This uprising was again seen in 1958, 1962, and the early 70s, but the Pakistan state managed to suppress the resistance.

In 2005, the Baloch movement again gained steam after Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, Pakistan's former defence minister and Balochistan's former governor, took up arms against the Pakistani state. The reason -- he demanded 15 things from the government of Pakistan, which included more control over the natural resources of Balochistan, which eventually put him at odds with the powerful Pakistani Army.

The next year, Bugti was assassinated.

General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's then-military ruler, was suspected to be behind Bugti's assassination. A few days after Bugti's death, Musharraf himself nearly got killed in a rocket attack, orchestrated in retaliation for the assassination of the Baloch leader.

BALOCHISTAN -- THEN AND NOW

Once a proud sovereign state, Balochistan is now the most-neglected and poverty-ridden province of Pakistan. Despite being the largest province and rich in minerals, Balochistan accounts for nearly 4 per cent of Pakistan's economy.

Being incapable of itself utilising the potential of the region, Pakistan entrusted its 'Iron Brother' China to mine the resources in Balochistan. But the coming of the Chinese has further fuelled tensions in the region.

There have been numerous attacks on Chinese people living and working in the port city of Gwadar by Baloch militants. The latest incident took place on August 13.

The port city of Gwadar is being linked to China's Xinjiang province as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, or CPEC. Balochs fear the wave of Chinese investment will bring about demographic changes in their region, turning them into a minority group in their own province.

But Pakistan knows the game of optics well. Recently, Anwarul Haq Kakar, a leader from Balochistan, was sworn in as Pakistan's caretaker prime minister. The idea was to project him as a representative of the Balochistan region.

However, Kakar is no Bugti. He is a Pashtun, not even a Baloch. On top of that, he is considered close to Pakistan's powerful military leadership.

Even after 75 years of its merger with Pakistan, Balochistan continues to be neglected. Political instability and militancy only continue to add to the region's misery.

 

 

Edited March 25, 2025 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Balochistan has substantial non Baloch Population..  Muslim Jats are roughly 10%, then you have Sindhis, Pashtuns & Pakjabis etc ..

Balochs are in majority but it is not like that Bengal or Bangladesh type ethnic situation.

 

 

Sindhi, balochi and brahui tend not to have any problems with one another. Prime enemy of baloch are Punjabi and pashtun being distant second. 

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Balochistan has substantial non Baloch Population..  Muslim Jats are roughly 10%, then you have Sindhis, Pashtuns & Pakjabis etc ..

Balochs are in majority but it is not like that Bengal or Bangladesh type ethnic situation.

 

 

Sindhi, balochi and brahui tend not to have any problems with one another. Prime enemy of baloch are Punjabi and pashtun being distant second. 

[Lone Wolf]

36 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sindhi, balochi and brahui tend not to have any problems with one another. Prime enemy of baloch are Punjabi and pashtun being distant second. 

Punjabi ,Pashtun & I doubt Urdu speaking Sindhis have any interest in a seperate Baloch nation..

 

However a seperate Baloch nation serves long term US interests.

Believe it or not invading Iran through Balochistan makes perfect sense rather than a nightmarish outcome along Strait of Hormuz... Bandar Abbas is another possible chokepoint once you take over Hormuz.

The strait itself is narrow & would be under serious fire from anti ship missiles.  

Current Iraqi regime is I guess chummy with Iran too.

 

Having a forward base & boots on ground in Balochistan would be a better option for US overall.

 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

Similar to Hamirpur in Stolen Kashmir. Non Kashmiris settled for demographic change

It is likely case of migration.. Balochistan always has significant Sindhi and Pashtun population.

Pakjabis might have settled over the years.

 

PoK and GB is different story.  They scrapped state subject rule in 2018/19 to enable Punjabis and Pashtuns to settle there.

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Punjabi ,Pashtun & I doubt Urdu speaking Sindhis have any interest in a seperate Baloch nation..

 

However a seperate Baloch nation serves long term US interests.

Believe it or not invading Iran through Balochistan makes perfect sense rather than a nightmarish outcome along Strait of Hormuz... Bandar Abbas is another possible chokepoint once you take over Hormuz.

The strait itself is narrow & would be under serious fire from anti ship missiles.  

Current Iraqi regime is I guess chummy with Iran too.

 

Having a forward base & boots on ground in Balochistan would be a better option for US overall.

 

From what I notice of Sindhi, even muslim Sindhi, is that they feel occupied by Karachi mohajirs but are too pussy to speak up and they see baloch freedom struggle as " u first bro, if u win, then it's our turn" mentality. 

 

Invading Iran via balochistan is worst possible idea and I have said why. There's a reason why it's never ever been done in recorded history and even when emperors controlling Afghanistan wanted to go to Iran, they would finish campaign in Sindh, return to qandahar( bost back then) and go that way instead of balochistan way. 

 

But hey I already said- if trumpwa can do what not even Alexander the great could do, he will at least etch his name alongside Patton or zukhov as modern military great. 

[Teengunalagaan]

PAKISTAN: More than 38 hours since Mahrang Baloch's unlawful detention, she is still being denied access to her lawyers and family. There are also worrying reports of continued arbitrary arrests and detentions across Balochistan province.

Pakistani authorities must immediately… pic.twitter.com/fsWYwSdv3W

— Amnesty International South Asia, Regional Office (@amnestysasia) March 23, 2025

This is going to backfire royally, it will create 100s of more Mahrang Baloch. She is already a nobel prize nominee, and now an internationally known activist

Edited March 25, 2025 by Teengunalagaan

[Lone Wolf]

Just now, Muloghonto said:

From what I notice of Sindhi, even muslim Sindhi, is that they feel occupied by Karachi mohajirs but are too pussy to speak up and they see baloch freedom struggle as " u first bro, if u win, then it's our turn" mentality. 

 

Invading Iran via balochistan is worst possible idea and I have said why. There's a reason why it's never ever been done in recorded history and even when emperors controlling Afghanistan wanted to go to Iran, they would finish campaign in Sindh, return to qandahar( bost back then) and go that way instead of balochistan way. 

 

But hey I already said- if trumpwa can do what not even Alexander the great could do, he will at least etch his name alongside Patton or zukhov as modern military great. 

Alexander didn't had air support to back him up... nor did he had any relative knowledge about terrain. Bin Qasim came through Makran to occupy Sindh ... no one could imagine China invading India through Eastern Ladakh in 1962 on those heights.

 

 

Any land invasion is never easy to begin with nor an amphibious landing or in this case straight up suicide through Strait of Hormuz.

 

US with its resources and forward bases in Balochistan could do it rather easily without significant losses to its Naval fleet.

Also the idea of two front in itself is appealing.

[mishra]

7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

From what I notice of Sindhi, even muslim Sindhi, is that they feel occupied by Karachi mohajirs but are too pussy to speak up and they see baloch freedom struggle as " u first bro, if u win, then it's our turn" mentality. 

 

Invading Iran via balochistan is worst possible idea and I have said why. There's a reason why it's never ever been done in recorded history and even when emperors controlling Afghanistan wanted to go to Iran, they would finish campaign in Sindh, return to qandahar( bost back then) and go that way instead of balochistan way. 

 

But hey I already said- if trumpwa can do what not even Alexander the great could do, he will at least etch his name alongside Patton or zukhov as modern military great. 

Yes took me time but I got the message thats why I posted,

It is not serving any ones (Interested ones like Russia US Iran China India) interest in Balochistan as separate country. Its essentially a internal local Baloch Issue

Edited March 25, 2025 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

20 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Alexander didn't had air support to back him up... nor did he had any relative knowledge about terrain. Bin Qasim came through Makran to occupy Sindh ... no one could imagine China invading India through Eastern Ladakh in 1962 on those heights.

 

 

Any land invasion is never easy to begin with nor an amphibious landing or in this case straight up suicide through Strait of Hormuz.

 

US with its resources and forward bases in Balochistan could do it rather easily without significant losses to its Naval fleet.

 

Also the idea of two front in itself is appealing.

Air supoort won't solve lack of water and harsh desert terrain. Air support couldn't solve Afghanistan and Afghanistan has been successfully invaded from outside. 

So how will Air support work against balochistsn ?? Wishful thinking.