Axar Patel has no place in test side

[Trichromatic]

Anywhere in world, any place, any country, any pitch, any condition.

[Sooda]

 

In home tests he is an important player with both bat and ball. 

 

saying that I would have had sai instead 

[ungboysj]

Axar jurel kuldeep sundar are not test class

 

 

[tweaker]

A middle order batsman ie Sarfaraz, Pattidar, Karun are needed in the squad.

[bowl_out]

3 hours ago, ungboysj said:

Axar jurel kuldeep sundar are not test class

 

 

Axar yes. 

 

Sundar and Jurel have proved themselves so many times in Tests. Sundar needs to bat at 6, not at 3 on a minefield or at 8.

[bowl_out]

Agree. 

 

Axar's bowling style is about control and minor variations to bowl economically and induce a wicket, which works well in white ball. It won't work well for red ball. He should be replaced with a proper batsman. Doesn't make sense playing him and then not bowling Washi at all

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Anywhere in world, any place, any country, any pitch, any condition.

How is Sundar better than Axar if he not bowling? Both of them should not be in the team.

[Frustrated]

Bapu has scored 26 today (2nd highest scorer in our lineup).  Implies he has retained his place for the 2nd test.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, bowl_out said:

Axar yes. 

 

Sundar and Jurel have proved themselves so many times in Tests. Sundar needs to bat at 6, not at 3 on a minefield or at 8.

Sorry when did Jurel prove himself to play as batsman alone. Axar won test matches with bowling and batting.

 

Out of these three only one should have played and two other batsmen should have played.

 

They then would have had ended up five bowlers plus two extra bastmen.A much better balanced side which could have easily absorbed the loss of Gill.

Edited November 16, 2025 by putrevus

[lemsip]

52 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Bapu has scored 26 today (2nd highest scorer in our lineup).  Implies he has retained his place for the 2nd test.

His runs were effectively useless. He just started slogging blindly when there was no other batsman left at the other end. Added some runs but never had any chance of seeing the team to a win.

[putrevus]

If Axar runs were useless, it was Sundar's idiotic batting along with Jurel in first place which led to the pressure being created.

 

They went nowhere with their batting all they had to do was rotate strike and hit couple of shots to put some pressure back on bowlers, they let their bowlers bowl to their fields.

 

Biggest culprits are Jurel and Sundar. Axar did his best when he had nobody to stay with him.

[lemsip]

I thought Sundar batted very well and was the only Indian batsman to put his head down and bat time which is all they had to do. It was day 3, not an ODI where they needed to rattle along and finish the game in 35 overs. This is exactly the approach Bavuma showed.

Axar clearly showed his bowling is substandard as a frontline spinner despite the one purple patch series vs England in 2021. If he is playing as a batsman then he is keeping out proper batsmen like Sarfaraz and others from the domestic circuit without adding anything to the bowling. He is playing becuase GG likes all-rounders. He is learning that this approach does not work in tests against top class opposition.

Edited November 16, 2025 by lemsip

[putrevus]

This match proved why Sundar should not be number 3 he has no ability to turn over strike or use crease like top order batsman. If boundary cannot be hit unless there is a chance of losing wicket then it is on batsman .They were not facing Murali and Herath either.

[lemsip]

Just now, putrevus said:

This match proved why Sundar should not be number 3 he has no ability to turn over strike or use crease like top order batsman. If boundary cannot be hit unless there is a chance of losing wicket then it is on batsman .They were not facing Murali and Herath either.

I agree he should not be a number 3 batter but that is GG's call by forcing him into that role. He showed good fight once he was asked to bat there.

If you take out his innings, India would have folded in under 20 overs.

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, lemsip said:

I agree he should not be a number 3 batter but that is GG's call by forcing him into that role. He showed good fight once he was asked to bat there.

If you take out his innings, India would have folded in under 20 overs.

If you replace him with proper number 3  and Jurel with proper number 4, India was winning the match in canter.They had starts but they were awfully timid with no ability.

 

Only one from Axar, Jurel and Sundar should have played. Jurel is back up wicket keeper that is his role.He was coming on back of twin 100s recently.

[lemsip]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If you replace him with proper number 3  and Jurel with proper number 4, India was winning the match in canter.They had starts but they were awfully timid with no ability.

 

Agreed but that is purely GG and TM's fault not the players ..for picking bits and pieces players rather than specialists. A lot of the players got exposed. Jurel is also unclear what his role is. Apart from his first few games vs England, his batting performances have hardly inspired confidence so far.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, lemsip said:

Agreed but that is purely GG and TM's fault not the players ..for picking bits and pieces players rather than specialists. A lot of the players got exposed. Jurel is also unclear what his role is. Apart from his first few games vs England, his batting performances have hardly inspired confidence so far.

Jurel is fine as back wicket kepper not great but he is the best we got if Pant is injured. That should be his role.

 

There are some players who are fine in back roles and limited chances but get exposed when given bigger roles.

 

You had healthy Sarfraz plus India does not lack batting talents that they had no need to fill team with bits and pieces players.

Edited November 16, 2025 by putrevus

[BacktoCricaddict]

Am still not convinced that Sundar and Jurel are incapable of batting where they batted. Sundar played almost a 100 balls and was the top-scorer. Star batters like Jaiswal, Rahul and Pant did not stand up in the 4th innings. 

 

And BTW, we have lost such chases since the days of Sunnybhai Gavaskar. To bowlers named Tauseef. And as recently as 2017, proper #3 and #4 (Pujara and Kohli) couldn't get it done against Steve O'Keefe. Nothing new. 

Edited November 16, 2025 by BacktoCricaddict

[Frustrated]

1 hour ago, lemsip said:

His runs were effectively useless. He just started slogging blindly when there was no other batsman left at the other end. Added some runs but never had any chance of seeing the team to a win.

True.   But I don't think the TM (headed by retard GG) would understand that.

I am sure Bapu will play next test and suck with the ball. Costing us another game.

 

[bowl_out]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

How is Sundar better than Axar if he not bowling? Both of them should not be in the team.

That's the whole point. If Sundar was playing, he should have bowled. Axar should have been a backup for Jadeja/Sundar. Didn't merit a place when both Sundar and Jadeja were playing.

 

 

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

Sorry when did Jurel prove himself to play as batsman alone. Axar won test matches with bowling and batting.

 

Out of these three only one should have played and two other batsmen should have played.

 

They then would have had ended up five bowlers plus two extra bastmen.A much better balanced side which could have easily absorbed the loss of Gill.

 

Jurel proved himself with the bat in England although not as a pure batsman. He was picked in this match as a batsman purely because of his current form with back-to-back hundreds vs SA A. But yeah, questionable if he should be picked ahead of Sai/Devdutt. But again, his selection isn't competing with Axar's