What is the sound of 200 pounds of overrated fast bowling sh-t hitting the fan?

[Mr. Wicket]

Bunnnnng. Piss off Bung Lee, once again. You've proved you're ****ing useless in England, a two-trick pony when length is concerned and despite almost a decade in international cricket (with two England tours under your belt) still incapable of figuring out how to bowl a decent length and use the seam when in English conditions, and still totally clueless when a batsman is going after you. One thing to be dismantled by a Michael Vaughan or Tendulkar or Laxman, it's another thing to allow an apathetic batsman barely scoring runs in the last few months and a rookie to just maul you at 17 per over. Oh, and that thing called the popping crease - not sure if anyone's pointed this out in the last decade either (given how frequently you keep doing this), but you're supposed to get your front foot ON OR BEHIND it. Stick to collecting money from the IPL, making music videos and ads in India and leave the bowling to people who actually CAN bowl. And please have the dignity to **** off from the test squad, either bowing out like a Graham Thorpe or pulling a Symonds to get ejected, but something that'll actually get someone promising and effective like Bollinger in there, so nobody has to watch you smile and grin your way through another thrashing and embarrassment this year again (even if the Aussie media will happily cover it up to make you look like a great smiling hero who puts in all his effort). Bung Lee, the Australian Agarkar. But with more pace, and better bowlers to leech off.

[suraj]

I like Brett Lee he will get better in the tournament

[Mr. Wicket]

Well he can't get worse. And damnit. Gets a gifted wicket from a batsman trying to hit him out of the park. :banghead:

[suraj]

Well he can't get worse. And damnit. Gets a gifted wicket from a batsman trying to hit him out of the park. :banghead:

Half the bowlers get gifted wkts in 20-20 you must really hate Lee:haha:

[Mr. Wicket]

Well I find him the most overrated quick bowler around (that's not Pakistani). He's been absolutely mediocre on both Ashes tours, saved on the last one only because of his batting and a couple of wickets at opportune times in long spells, despite averaging 40+ with the ball and going over 4 an over. For a ridiculous length of his career he was averaging in the low 30s with the ball with disgraceful economy rates - and those numbers still flattered him as he was just benefiting from having a McGrath, Warne or Gillespie at the other end (or captains who would let those bowlers do the main work, then bring Lee on for cheap figure-improving tailend wickets). Lee's a product of the NSW hype machine, bowls quick but hasn't a working brain cell in his head and still ten years on is clueless on many things particularly how to bowl in England, or how to react when batsmen are going after him (HINT: Bung, long hops don't help!)

[cowboysfan]

I like Brett Lee he will get better in the tournament

they have SL next.they will start as underdogs in that match.

[Kohum]

What is the sound of 200 pounds of overrated fast bowling sh-t hitting the fan? Bunnnnng.

ROFLCOPTER On the cricket field, Lee may have taken to cleaners or not, but you certainly did with just one line.

[flamy]

Bunnnnng.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Bradman99]

He was our spearhead after McGrath and Warne retired, he was the one who was getting us the results, he is still a very good bowler, just needs time to get back in the groove of things.

[Mr. Wicket]

He was a spearhead oh so briefly. It's worth noting that post-Ashes 07, he had an outstanding series against Sri Lanka (which isn't particularly hard, they've always been utter shyte when they've toured Aus), then an average series against India where he basically made mincemeat of Jaffer and not that much more, and then a wonderful series against West Indies, one of the few mediocre teams he could beat up to boost his stats. He spent several years of his career being coddled into cheap tailend wickets and others that resulted from great bowlers at the other end, cashed in big time against lesser opposition and in the big series wasn't that big a contributor. FWIW, his test bowling average is below 30 against ONLY Sri Lanka, New Zealand and West Indies out of 'major opposition'. Hardly spearhead material. The real successes and results came as a result of guys like Mitch Johnson and later Peter Siddle in RSA recenlty. Lee has always been a significantly weak link in the bowling attack; inconsistent, incapable of keeping things tight and rarely effective as a strike bowler despite his pace and the hype about him. But he smiles, fought hard with the bat in the 05 Ashes, and he kept running in for long spells and played with wonderful spirit - basically an Andy Bichel with about 10 kmh more pace, and a lot more hype.

[nikred]

He was our spearhead after McGrath and Warne retired' date=' he was the one who was getting us the results, he is still a very good bowler, just needs time to get back in the groove of things.[/quote'] Frankly he has always been an ordinary bowler but since McG and Warnie retired he picked up his game for a while but now it looks like he is back to his old ways. :thumpdown:

[King]

Lee is from NSW, obviously he will be picked. TBH he's not that bad. He may not be the best but still is a force to reckon with. A bowler that can swing at high speed is always good to have in the team. He's definitely better than say Shoaib Akthar, Sreesanth, Morkel, Anderson and the likes.

[Mr. Wicket]

Lee is from NSW' date=' obviously he will be picked. TBH he's not that bad. He may not be the best but still is a force to reckon with. A bowler that can swing at high speed is always good to have in the team. He's definitely better than say Shoaib Akthar, Sreesanth, Morkel, Anderson and the likes.[/quote'] Please, anyone is better than Akhtar. Morkel right now is a 'potential' prospect; has it in him to do a lot. Sreesanth has produced test performances that Lee can't match, Anderson's starting to peak and could be very, very dangerous in the next couple of years. As for Lee being from NSW... so is Douggie Bollinger. But he was left out. :((

[Ram]

The OP resembles more of an outburst fueled by personal prejudice against Lee than an objective assessment of his bowling. :P We're talking about someone who won the Allan Border medal the year after Mcgrath-Warne retired. In period starting mid 2007 to 2008, Lee WAS the best bowler in the world. His 15 over spell either side of tea against us on day of the last test at Adelaide still is one of the best spells of sustained and hostile fast bowling i have seen in a long time.

[Mr. Wicket]

OK, you want an objective assessment of his bowling? Come back in 10 minutes. :P

[vvvslaxman]

Brett Lee is definitely not this bad in shorter versions. He pulled a flintoff here. He has variations. But Gayle was in the zone. It was stupid of punter to provide Gayle the necessary pace.

[Bradman99]

He was a spearhead oh so briefly. It's worth noting that post-Ashes 07, he had an outstanding series against Sri Lanka (which isn't particularly hard, they've always been utter shyte when they've toured Aus), then an average series against India where he basically made mincemeat of Jaffer and not that much more, and then a wonderful series against West Indies, one of the few mediocre teams he could beat up to boost his stats. He spent several years of his career being coddled into cheap tailend wickets and others that resulted from great bowlers at the other end, cashed in big time against lesser opposition and in the big series wasn't that big a contributor. FWIW, his test bowling average is below 30 against ONLY Sri Lanka, New Zealand and West Indies out of 'major opposition'. Hardly spearhead material. The real successes and results came as a result of guys like Mitch Johnson and later Peter Siddle in RSA recenlty. Lee has always been a significantly weak link in the bowling attack; inconsistent, incapable of keeping things tight and rarely effective as a strike bowler despite his pace and the hype about him. But he smiles, fought hard with the bat in the 05 Ashes, and he kept running in for long spells and played with wonderful spirit - basically an Andy Bichel with about 10 kmh more pace, and a lot more hype.

Whilst Lee was 12th man, that whole time he was inconsistent. But he could produce deadly spells. Since he's had to take on more responsibility he has blossomed for the most part- except the past 6 months. Mit Johnson is now our main man- but Lee can come back and support him, he needs game time to do that and I personally have a lot of faith in him. He was for a certain period of time, the best bowler in the world. We have a lot of strength in the pace department- Johnson, Clark, Lee, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Bollinge. We just need a damn spinner! No one will be as good as Warne, but at least someone who can create their own legacy, Hauritz is only a one day bowler.

[Cricketics]

when the ball doesn't swing then players like Sehwag, Gayle, Hayden can realy DEphuckinSTROY any fast bowler in the world and thats what has happend today. Some serious hitting from Gayle. Man he is class. any bowler would have recieved such treatment from gayle. Weather it was Dale Steyn or Lee or any other fast bowler.

[Ram]

OK, you want an objective assessment of his bowling? Come back in 10 minutes. :P

Never said he is the best bowler in the world at the moment or anything, but he certainly does not deserve terms like '****ing useless', 'two-trick pony', 'Stick to collecting money from the IPL, making music videos and ads in India' etc.. Show some respect. :P

[Mr. Wicket]

Current test average: 30.81 (in spite of the help he's had blasting out tailenders, etc). This is in spite of having people like McGraaaa/Warne at the other end to help him in partnerships. Onto his performances. Let's go series by series in the last several years - he had a top start to int'l cricket, then got found out as a one dimensional bowler and... 2001 Ashes: 9 wickets at 55. Against weaker opposition in NZ: Does well with 14 at 25.41 South Africa home series: 9 wickets at 34.88 Return tour to RSA: 10 wickets at 41 3 tests v. Pak in tougher conditions: 5 wickets at 46. Next Ashes at home: 13 wickets at 41.23 Series against the mediocre Windies to boost his averages: 17 wickets at 28.8 Then a series v. Bangla, another v. Zim; obviously not the significant matches/opposition I'm discussing. 03/04 home series v. India. 8 wickets, average of 59.50. E/R of 4.72 - in tests. Epic Fail? Quite Rly! Dropped (thank god) from the squad because Kasper was finally picked after that, and McGrath returned to fitness. Next series he played was the 05 Ashes. Did nicely with the bat, but he's picked as a bowler and... 20 wickets at an average of 41? E/R of 4.29? Yup. :banghead: Bouncer-yorker-bouncer-yorker only works against tailenders and Errant Jones, sorry Bung. Super Series, 2 wickets at 48. Home series v. WI to fill up the boots, 18 wickets at <21. Around this time I'll give him his due; he had a VERY good period when he took 30 wickets across 6 home-and-away tests in 2 series v. South Africa at 25.1 (across both series). Then back to rubbish in the Ashes; three lousy tests (the ones where the games were live) where he took 8 wickets at 58, before coming back with 12 in the next 2 tests (with a bunch of tailend wickets thrown him; watch the MCG test and you'll see Ponting happily handing him the ball to finish things off against Hoggard and Panesar, despite McGrath, Clark and Warne doing the hard work). Followed by three good series: 16 wickets at 18 v. a mediocre Sri Lankan side in 3 tests (making Dilhara Fernando and Michael Van Dot your bunny is hardly stellar), and 24 wickets at <23 v. India in the 07/08 BG Trophy series, the only time when he's really put his stamp on a series in the last few years (while he had a great tour to RSA a couple of years before, Clark dominated that series and won it for Aus)... then more WI bullying with 18 wickets at <24 in three games. And the trend's continued since - Got smashed all over in India (8 wickets at 61), returned to 'form' by bullying NZ with 12 wickets in 2 tests at <22, and then again got hammered by South Africa averaging 249 in the series. Yes, 249. My point remains. He's made a career off bullying weak teams like New Zealand (who've generally struggled against pace, note people like Akhtar and even SAMI blowing them apart in the past), West Indies and Sri Lanka (at home), then has been cannon fodder in the Ashes, against India and South Africa. Crap against the good teams. Averages 45 with the ball in England, over-30 averages against ALL of the following - India, South Africa, Pakistan, England. As for my point on feeding on tailenders early on to get his wickets, it's been a regularity. Steve Waugh used to gift him easy wickets by unleashing him in his young days against the lower order. In his debut series against India he mostly fed on tailenders; Agarkar, Srinath, etc. In his first Ashes he was incompetent; as I mentioned only took 9 wickets (at a ridiculous average that would make Dravid jealous if it was a batting average), one third of those were the mighty Andy Caddick. And so on and so forth...