achilles Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Hmmm.....you guys seriously think this was a lenient sentence? What do you want - to imprison a 13 year old for 20 years in an adult prison - might as well kill him instead. What he did was horrific, but there are reasons for it. The kid is not normal and should be given a chance to regain a semblance of life and mental balance. He would likely be monitored by psychologists anyways, and I am not sure what the success rate is of reformed kids in situations akin to those but certainly feeding a 13 year old for whatever crime into an adult penitentiary for a decade certainly cannot be the best alternative. There is a bit of similarity in our point of views- And we think law only goes soft on girls! Having said that, the guy is only 13 years old and guys at that age can get a bit carried away. As long as he was sincere with his "sorry" (which seems to be the case as he got 3 yrs) and repents, its fine. 3 yrs is not less. The guy will be spending his puberty in jail and his name has been sprayed over the internet. This is going to haunt him for quite a while.
Guest Gunner Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Hmmm.....you guys seriously think this was a lenient sentence? What do you want - to imprison a 13 year old for 20 years in an adult prison - might as well kill him instead. What he did was horrific, but there are reasons for it. The kid is not normal and should be given a chance to regain a semblance of life and mental balance. He would likely be monitored by psychologists anyways, and I am not sure what the success rate is of reformed kids in situations akin to those but certainly feeding a 13 year old for whatever crime into an adult penitentiary for a decade certainly cannot be the best alternative. This kind of left wing, tree hugging hippie, peacenik, commie bullshit is the reason we are in this situation today where 13 year olds are committing assault and rape. How about we let him go since he said sorry?
Sachinism Posted January 29, 2010 Author Posted January 29, 2010 I believe the sentences should be as horrific as the crimes, it should scare people away from committing such crimes. May not be the best idea, as prison is supposed to be some form of rehabilitation, but lets take a look at the numbers in prison, I don't think that is working, maybe a new approach is needed
Ram Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 This kind of left wing' date=' tree hugging hippie, peacenik, commie bullshit is the reason we are in this situation today where 13 year olds are committing assault and rape. How about we let him go since he said sorry?[/quote'] I believe the sentences should be as horrific as the crimes' date=' it should scare people away from committing such crimes. May not be the best idea, as prison is supposed to be some form of rehabilitation, but lets take a look at the numbers in prison, I don't think that is working, maybe a new approach is needed[/quote'] You guys have shown yourselves to be quite ignorant of the ways in which laws are formed and justice delivered. God help the society if we're going to treat a 13 year old juvenile the exact same way as a 45 year old serial sex offender. Theres are precise and quite justifiable reasons (borne out of moral, psychological, evolutionary and a multitude of other factors) why the laws are different for these two groups of people. If we were treat everyone the exact same way based purely on the nature of crime, then it will be following a justice deliverance system generally adopted by lunatic fanatics like the Taliban, who routinely beheaded young boys to old men, on suspicion of 'spying' and 'treason'.
Guest Gunner Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 You guys have shown yourselves to be quite ignorant of the ways in which laws are formed and justice delivered. God help the society if we're going to treat a 13 year old juvenile the exact same way as a 45 year old serial sex offender. Theres are precise and quite justifiable reason (borne out of moral, psychological, evolutionary and a multitude of other reasons) why the laws are different for these two groups of people. If we were treat everyone the exact same way based purely on the nature of crime, then it will be following a justice deliverance system generally adopted by lunatic fanatics like the Taliban, who routinely beheaded young boys to old men, on suspicion of 'spying' and 'treason'. Sorry sriram, as much as I respect your views this analogy is completely irrelevant to this situation. If you have a 13 year old committing a robbery or having shot someone by mistake (using the gun at home erroneously etc) and he is treated as a juvenile I can fully understand that. Everyone needs a chance to reform. However, a 13 year old lad dragging a youg woman, brutally assaulting and beating her prior to raping her is a very heinous crime. A crime which shows that the young lad is not a child mentally but rather an adult. A person is treated as a juvenile in a legal case mainly due to his inability to judge the difference between right and wrong. But can you honestly tell me that in this case he was not able to judge that what he was doing is wrong? The boy should have been punished with a longer prison term just like he would have been had he been tried by a US court.
Ram Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Sorry sriram, as much as I respect your views this analogy is completely irrelevant to this situation. If you have a 13 year old committing a robbery or having shot someone by mistake (using the gun at home erroneously etc) and he is treated as a juvenile I can fully understand that. Everyone needs a chance to reform. However, a 13 year old lad dragging a youg woman, brutally assaulting and beating her prior to raping her is a very heinous crime. A crime which shows that the young lad is not a child mentally but rather an adult. A person is treated as a juvenile in a legal case mainly due to his inability to judge the difference between right and wrong. But can you honestly tell me that in this case he was not able to judge that what he was doing is wrong? The boy should have been punished with a longer prison term just like he would have been had he been tried by a US court. Irrelevant? The above mentioned example has got EVERYTHING to do with the current situation. The sophistication of a legal system can be determined in way which it is able to make minute, yet significant distinctions in the nature of crime that was committed and the person who committed the crime. As I said, there are quite expansive and completely justifiable reasons why the legal system distinguishes between say a an adult sex offender and a 12 year old juvenile. If you're going to completely ignore them and focus merely on the severity of the crime being committed, you're missing the point by a mile. Rather, if we were adopt the 'Single-brush-for-all-paintings' approach that you have suggested, it would mean reversing, decades, if not centuries worth of evolution of our moral conscience and legal framework.
Guest Gunner Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Irrelevant? The above mentioned example has got EVERYTHING to do with the current situation. The sophistication of a legal system can be determined in way which it is able to make minute' date=' yet significant distinctions in the nature of crime that was committed and the person who committed the crime. [/quote'] Come on your argument was sensationalist. Comparing the british legal system to the taliban law, now that is melodramatic. As I said, there are quite expansive and completely justifiable reasons why the legal system distinguishes between say a an adult sex offender and a 12 year old juvenile. If you're going to completely ignore them and focus merely on the severity of the crime being committed, you're missing the point by a mile. Rather, if we were adopt the 'Single-brush-for-all-paintings' approach that you have suggested, it would mean reversing, decades, if not centuries worth of evolution of our moral conscience and legal framework. I already replied to you that my intention is clearly not to try every juvenile offender as an adult. But a sex offence at the age of 13 forgive me for my disbelief cannot arise out of some juvenile misguided belief system. This crime has not been committed without knowledge of difference between right and wrong. The law would not be any less sophisticated if this kind of serious offences by youngsters are tried in an adult court. In relation to the nature of this crime what exactly is your argument for trying him as a juvenile? You accuse me of painting everything with a broad stroke of the brush but based on your response you seem to be guitly of the same. Your assumption is based on the belief that I recommend all youngsters to be tried in an adult court which is clearly not the case.
The Outsider Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 so from 13 to 16 he will get the chance to become Mahatama Gandhi what if your sister was raped by a 13 yr old wanna give him the same chance?? That's exactly the reason why relatives of the person involved are not allowed to have a say in the justice meted out to the criminal - to maintain objectivity. What you are purporting is the Taliban style of justice where the relatives of the victim can even pardon the person in exchange for money. This kind of left wing' date=' tree hugging hippie, peacenik, commie bullshit is the reason we are in this situation today where 13 year olds are committing assault and rape. How about we let him go since he said sorry?[/quote'] Yeah, the ills of the world arise from us tree hugging hippies. You would do well to remember that retribution, revenge, and punishment should not form the cornerstones of a civilized judicial system - reform must. The idea of imprisoning a 13 years old with hardened adult criminals for a decade leaves no chance for reform.
coffee_rules Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 This is a weird case, at 13 if he knows how to rape a woman, then he needs to be in a psychiatric facility and not in a jail. He can be a menace to society if he is jailed and returned back to society without any counseling he will do even worse things at 16/17. Rape has got very little to do with sex, more about the relishing the power they experience over a woman.
EnterTheVoid Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Sorry but how does a 13 year old physically rape a woman seven years older than him ?
Guest Gunner Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 In any case the little Paki will get raped in jail for three years so good luck to him.
Sachinism Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 how about this mofo 9-year-old Russian girl allegedly raped in Goa, complaint filed http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/9-year-old-Russian-girl-allegedly-raped-in-Goa-complaint-filed/articleshow/5504335.cms bastards NEW DELHI, India — Once upon a time, the beaches of Goa were known for free love. But as a string of high-profile sexual assaults on tourists culminated in the alleged rape of a 9-year-old Russian girl last week, the idyllic strip of sand along the Arabian Sea is fast gaining a fearful reputation. The answer? According to the state's ministry of tourism, those cute pre-teens in two-pieces are asking for it. “You can't blame the locals; they have never seen such women. Foreign tourists must maintain a certain degree of modesty in their clothing. Walking on the beaches half-naked is bound to titillate the senses,†New Delhi's Mail Today newspaper quoted Pamela Mascarhenas, Goa's deputy director of tourism, as saying Friday. Read more: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/india/100131/goa-sexual-assault-bikinis WTFFFFFFFF If it was an adult and that argument came up, I could believe there is a certain possibility that may be the case, but a 9 yr old :headshake:
Guest Gunner Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 ^^ :puke: Only reasonable response I could come up with for the statement from the Minister.
Desi Cartman Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 ^^ :puke: Only reasonable response I could come up with for the statement from the Minister. its a common response from people who usually scratch their balls when they see a woman on the street. Mind you these guys will go n burn public property if a girl in their neighborhood gets raped
flamy Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 Pamela prolly cant fit into a bikini. F-cking w-hore blaming a child for getting raped. http://digg.com/world_news/9_yr_old_girl_gets_raped_in_Goa_they_blame_it_on_bikinis read the comments. that's the image of india these choooooths in government are painting for the world.
achilles Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 Digg can be ridiculous at times. To the digg users, anything against US is an insult to their self-respect while they go about writing crap about pretty much every other country apart from theirs. Hypocrites. Having said that, I believe the Goa govt. needs a kick in the nuts. But I partially agree to the fact that adult foreigners need to dress with a bit more modesty. These idiots from across the globe run around naked here and when we goto their countries, everything against their wills is a crime !
Sachinism Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 ^^ Its a 9 year old she should be able to dress how she wants. And is there a law against people dressing scantily? Goa has loads of beaches, that is what people wear on beaches
achilles Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 ^ The age-group I was talking about was 18ish. And I really don't know whats the big deal if the government of a country begs you to not wear bikinis and run around naked in the country. Every country has its rules. Ask these rule-breaking fundies to try challenging the law in Europe or America and they shall know. India is not some lame country in which you can do what the hell you want to, despite being told not to, and then blame it on the government. These people need to grow some brains
Sachinism Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 ^ The age-group I was talking about was 18ish. And I really don't know whats the big deal if the government of a country begs you to not wear bikinis and run around naked in the country. Every country has its rules. Ask these rule-breaking fundies to try challenging the law in Europe or America and they shall know. India is not some lame country in which you can do what the hell you want to, despite being told not to, and then blame it on the government. These people need to grow some brains But there is no law that women should walk around in burkhas, so don't blame the victim for wearing what she is comfortable in
Guest Gunner Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 ^ The age-group I was talking about was 18ish. And I really don't know whats the big deal if the government of a country begs you to not wear bikinis and run around naked in the country. Every country has its rules. Ask these rule-breaking fundies to try challenging the law in Europe or America and they shall know. India is not some lame country in which you can do what the hell you want to, despite being told not to, and then blame it on the government. These people need to grow some brains Your post is absolutely senseless and stupid. If you don't have anything smart to say the best option is to stay quiet.
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