mastana Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 If Jesse Ryder is in NZ team then no Ishant please.
Sid Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 Great to see even after having a pathetic year and a half,Ishant has some admirers and people saying dont confuse his ODI performances with Test performances,I want to ask them has Ishant Sharma done anything of note after he had a good series against Aussies at home in 2008.He has gone downhill since then. He still doesnt has good length to be successfull at subcontinental wickets,he bowls too short to trouble good batsmen and make use of new ball.Most of the time you see him wasting the new ball,bowling wide of the batsmen. Another thing is that he struggles big time against left handers,he looks a limited bowler when he is up against a left handed batsman Regarding revese swing,after Zak ,Sree is our second best bowler with the old ball rather than Ishant
fineleg Posted October 29, 2010 Author Posted October 29, 2010 While I'm equally split in trying to choose one, I am surprised to hear some say that Ishant is better at reverse swing than Sreesanth. Really!? ZK is the best for India with reverse, and then there is a big gap, and I thought Sree will be a distant second, and then Ishant (only with respect to reverse) Other than that both Sree and IS are very erratic, and depends on which the good or bad version turns up for that particular day of bowling. If its the good one, then its is wonderful for India. If Jesse Ryder is in NZ team then no Ishant please. Why? Did he whack him in NZ in Tests?(I may have forgotten that, LOL!)
Raghav_12 Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 :cheer: Play them both. It will be good to get them in to some kind of a rhythm before the SA tour Might not be a bad idea I say. Has there been any test match in Ahmedabad since we were shot out for 76 by Steyn and Ntini ? If we are offered same kind of pitch, we can have both of them along with Zaheer and Harbhajan. It is just Newzealand, we can afford to do some experiments :--D
fineleg Posted October 29, 2010 Author Posted October 29, 2010 Might not be a bad idea I say. Has there been any test match in Ahmedabad since we were shot out for 76 by Steyn and Ntini ? If we are offered same kind of pitch, we can have both of them along with Zaheer and Harbhajan. It is just Newzealand, we can afford to do some experiments :--D Xactly the thing that makes our players complacent when we play weaker teams :--D
gaurav92 Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 Ishant hasn't impressed much? Have you been following Indian tests lately? You are clearly carrying a perception about his ODI and T20 performances and confusing with his test performances Well, to me, Ishant has done nothing exceptional, even in Mohali, when he got the three wicket haul, off that only one wicket looked menacing that of Michael Clarke.He was clueless about his seam position, he didn't have control over his jump, he was in a wild no ball spree, and you say he has impressed you ? He did well to score invaluable 31 runs, alright.But in terms of his bowling, i don't see him ahead of Sreesanth for Tests.If Sree is fit, he is the one to pick.In fact, Ishant has got too many chances fair enough, Sree has been injured.Now hat Sree is fit and raring to go, why not give him a chance ahead of crucial SAF series ?
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 It’s a pretty hard choice to make. Both looked pretty equal in the Australia tests, but if I had to pick someone, it would be Ishant. He had a lackluster first innings in Mohali, but came back outstandingly in the 2nd innings. If anything, it was his spell on day 4 that put us in a match-winning position. Plus, he’s definitely more adept at reverse swing than Sreesanth is. To me, that tips the balance in favor of him, though Sree showed a lot of energy (and gnarling teeth..:--D) in the 2nd test and deserves to be commended. I cant wait for Zak, Ishant and Sree to go to England next summer. That should be a mouth-watering prospect. :yay: we thought same in 2006 too and Sree was just rubbish then...that is why I dnt trust this guy now...he does not give confidence to any team as what kind of Sreesanth will turn up on the day of a match...it was just embarrassing to see him bowling in that series
Zero_Unit Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 I think Ishant is doing a fairly good job atm. SO Ishant! BTW if always surprises me that off field Sree looks like a gentle person but on field well .... lol
Holysmoke Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 Hold your horses. One of them will get injured during training in the next couple of days :hehe:
ZodiaC Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 Well, to me, Ishant has done nothing exceptional, even in Mohali, when he got the three wicket haul, off that only one wicket looked menacing that of Michael Clarke.He was clueless about his seam position, he didn't have control over his jump, he was in a wild no ball spree, and you say he has impressed you ? He did well to score invaluable 31 runs, alright.But in terms of his bowling, i don't see him ahead of Sreesanth for Tests.If Sree is fit, he is the one to pick.In fact, Ishant has got too many chances fair enough, Sree has been injured.Now hat Sree is fit and raring to go, why not give him a chance ahead of crucial SAF series ? ++
The Dark Horse Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 Ishant bowled well in the 2nd innings in the 1st test which changed the mindset of our team. He may be incosnsistent but in some spells he is immaculate in which even the best batsmen struggle. In the Sri Lanka series also he did the same in which Jayawardene couldnt touch a delivery despite being in good touch. Sreesanth has also been good, but he is more inconsistent than Ishant.
thevortex Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 Ishant hasn't impressed much? Have you been following Indian tests lately? You are clearly carrying a perception about his ODI and T20 performances and confusing with his test performances Did you follow Ishant's recent Test bowling performances? He has been severely below par, a shadow of what he was. There was only one spell where he got 3 wickets in which he showed glimpses of what he could be. If you look past the figures of Sreesanth he bowled quite well in the Test that he played in.
Chandan Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 As far as I know, Ishant is not fully fit since last few months. In fact he has been postponing knee surgery as it might rule him out for the world cup. Just read this: Sharma played with heavy dose of pain killers Ishant Sharma reportedly took a heavy dose of pain killers while producing his deadly spell in the second innings to wreck the Australian top order By K.R. Nayar, Senior Reporter Published: 08:16 October 6, 2010 Mohali: Ishant Sharma has been rested for the Bangalore Test, but that may not help him recover from his injury. He reportedly took a heavy dose of pain killers while producing his deadly spell in the second innings to wreck the Australian top order. He could bowl only 11.4 overs in the first innings and had to return to the pavilion with acute pain. Sharma also sparkled with the bat hitting a fighting 31 to provide good support to VVS Laxman and ensure India's victory. Incidentally, Sharma has been taking pain killers for the last few months for his knee injury. Sharma's coach, Sharwan Kumar, said it was the player's determination that has kept him going. It is understood that Sharma may need to go for surgery which might force him to be out of action for four months. But the pacer Sharma is not ready for it since he would like to be part of India's tight schedule and does not want to miss an important series against Australia. However, the selectors have now taken the decision that despite his good performance he should now rest. It is also understood that he bowled poorly in the first innings because of the pain and hence could not concentrate on a good line and length. According to his coach, Sharma hates to sit out due to injury. It is likely that the Board of Control for Cricket in India might force him to get the surgery done since they do not want to carry an injured player in the team. Should Sharma undergo the knee surgery, he fears he may not get selected for the 2011 World Cup set to commence in February. I really hate this attitude of Indian players. Ishant has one example of Yuvraj Singh in front of him. Why on earth is he taking this risk, playing with an injury? He should not forget that he is one of the two fast bowlers in the team!
gaurav92 Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Beating the mob here, Sree makes the cut in the final XI. :D
achilles Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Beating the mob here' date=' Sree makes the cut in the final XI. :D[/quote'] Ishu supporters got pwned :cantstop: And the better bowler got picked :isalute:
fineleg Posted November 4, 2010 Author Posted November 4, 2010 Is it because of injury like Chandan has written above? Perhaps MSD is well aware of Ishant Sharma's injury that he is STILL carrying.
Ram Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Have to say I am slightly surprised by the decision to go in with Sree over Ishant. I think Ishant is the better sub-continental bowler hands down and a significantly better exponent of reverse, which for all practical terms, is the fast bowler’s sole friend in Indian conditions. Maybe the team was impressed by Sree’s form in the nets and Ishant might have looked a bit rusty, coming back from injury. Sree bowled with a lot of pace and fire in the B’lore against Australia. Maybe the team thinks that could be a better foil to Zak’s swing, who knows.
Lord Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 bad decision,Ishant is not only a better bowler,but useful tailender
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