Switchblade Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 HE looks to contain the batsman rather than getting them out
Ranjha Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 please replace this joker with ashwin or the 3rd seamer for the remaining games. Lol so they can be carted for 6+rpo against the big teams? No thanks. Harbhajan looks in good form.Just need to pick up his gamr now and pick up wickets to go with great economy rate.
BERGKAMP Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 the same will happen to dartbhajan, the big boys will tuck into his buffet and cart him all over the park. at least the other look capable of taking wickets.
zen Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Let's look at Ind's bowling options: Ranking so far: 1. Zak - dependable (wkt taker) 2. Munaf - has had a few good games 3. Sree - wild card .... could be awesome or crap .... but makes the ball talk! (wkt taker) 4. Nehra - still not there but can bowl yorkers and swing the ball at times 5. Ashwin - untried 6. Bhajji - focuses on ER when bowling the middle overs, when the other team is looking to build partnership and milk him .... what's the point in bowling darts, when the other team is looking to pick singles anyways! 7. Chawla - probably the worst bowler of the bunch Part-timers 8. Yuvi - has been exceptional so far 9. Pathan - can bowl darts too Basically, Ind has two wkt taking bowlers in Zak and Sree but plays only one. On top of that it goes in with 2 spinners in Bhajji and Chawla, who have been the worst of specialist spinners w/ part-time spinners out bowling them.
Switchblade Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Let's look at Ind's bowling options: Ranking so far: 1. Zak - dependable (wkt taker) 2. Munaf - has had a few good games 3. Sree - wild card .... could be awesome or crap .... but makes the ball talk! (wkt taker) 4. Nehra - still not there but can bowl yorkers and swing the ball at times 5. Ashwin - untried 6. Bhajji - focuses on ER when bowling the middle overs, when the other team is looking to build partnership and milk him .... what's the point in bowling darts, when the other team is looking to pick singles anyways! 7. Chawla - probably the worst bowler of the bunch Part-timers 8. Yuvi - has been exceptional so far 9. Pathan - can bowl darts too Basically, Ind has two wkt taking bowlers in Zak and Sree but plays only one. On top of that it goes in with 2 spinners in Bhajji and Chawla, who have been the worst of specialist spinners w/ part-time spinners out bowling them. Ian said the same thing during the prematch show that apart from ZAK we dont have any wicket taking bowler
vvvslaxman Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/505083.html India v Netherlands, Group B, World Cup 2011, Delhi India and Harbhajan on loop India's performances against Associates Ireland and Netherlands have been worryingly similar, but perhaps most concerning is Harbhajan Singh's apparent inability to pick up wickets Sharda Ugra at the Feroz Shah Kotla March 9, 2011 Comments: 8 | Text size: A | A Harbhajan Singh went wicketless for the second straight game, against Netherlands in Delhi © Getty Images The day before India staggered like drunken dukes to a five-wicket win against Netherlands, MS Dhoni talked about preparing for games like this. It was not about handling the expectations of victory, he had said, or a dominant performance, but how to "get the most" out of the matches, "particularly in departments where you want to see the most improvement." By the conventional definition, "improvement" would imply a certain progression, visible perhaps or even numerical. India's most obvious progression after the Feroz Shah Kotla game is of course to edge towards the certainty of a knockout spot. On the field though, India are not on some lovely upward curve; or even striding around sure-footed on a sturdy plateau. At the moment, India's World Cup campaign looks like security camera footage caught in loop. In two matches versus the weakest teams in their group, India have chased 207 and 189, and made unnecessarily hard work of both targets. Against Ireland, Zaheer Khan led the quick men and Yuvraj Singh the spinners. Against Netherlands, not as competitive as Ireland, ditto. Chasing 207 in Bangalore on Sunday, India were 100 for 4. With a target of 189 in Delhi, the scoreline was 99 for 4 versus Netherlands. One may ask what all the fuss is about. After all, India ended up winning both games by comfortable margins, and Yuvraj showed signs, in both, that he is returning to the role of India's finisher that he has vacated over the past year. Indeed, but along with India's result-oriented World Cup so far - wins over Bangladesh, Ireland, Netherlands, and a tie with England - is another piece of patch on loop which turned up again on Wednesday. India's No. 1 spinner Harbhajan Singh was again tidy, compact, disciplined; and again wicketless. On a slow, low, wicket where his spinning partners Piyush Chawla and Yuvraj were extracting something off the track to at least turn batsmen's heads, Harbhajan tried it all - over and round the wicket, slower and quicker, flat and sometimes even slightly loopy - and still there were no wickets to be had; against Netherlands, far from the best players of spin even on their continent. After toiling through his spell for no reward, Harbhajan stood near the midwicket fence and watched Alex Kervezee turn a Chawla turkey into a catch that came into his hands like a heat-seeking drone. Had he flung the ball onto the field and thrown a fit, the world would have understood. Yet empathy plays no part in the taking of wickets. In the last 12 months, Harbhajan has played only 12 ODIs, missing out on the 5-0 buffet that was a series against New Zealand, who may not be so generous should the two teams meet up in the knockout stages. From those 12 games, Harbhajan has nine wickets with an economy rate of 4.30, but an average and strike rate that has gone through the floor of his career figures. At the World Cup so far, it's two scalps in four games, with an economy rate of 4.07. Were his role just to contain, in this age of heavy bats, small grounds and Twenty20 attitudes, the economy rate could be something he could boast about. For a strike bowler not to be striking, though, is an indication that something is blunted. Dhoni believes it is nothing but the occasion that caused Harbhajan's lack of success: a big event in which the little boys are trying to ward off one of India's main men. "If the opposition team is just happy to block Harbhajan Singh out, it will be tough for him to get wickets," Dhoni said. "They have to score runs off other bowlers and maybe that is why they are going after Yuvraj and he is getting wickets. We have to hunt in packs, and as long as we win, that is okay." Harbhajan is one of two leaders of India's bowling pack, and his captain now expects him to react to the increasing demands of this World Cup. It is where most of India's hopes seem to rest now. Rather than a case of Harbhajan suffering from the yips after months of trying to control the run-flow, it is the turgid response of the smaller fries that has worked against the wicket-taker Harbhajan who Dhoni promises is lurking. According to Dhoni, Harbhajan will step up to the plate, but only when it became slightly hotter. "Well Harbhajan reacts to aggressive cricket in a different way. If the opposition are not playing aggressive cricket, he also lays down. It won't be the case as soon as we are playing against some of the bigger sides who will look to go after him." The better the opposition, Dhoni believes, the better Harbhajan will be. "As the tournament heats up you will see a different Harbhajan Singh; when we are playing against better opposition, you will see the best of Harbhajan Singh." It must then logically follow that the fields also set for the soon-to-be-reinvigorated Harbhajan will also be of a higher, aggressive quality. Dhoni offered a rather strange explanation for the fields he has set for Harbhajan so far. "At the group stages, I don't want to have a forward short leg or silly point because I don't want any player to get injured. That is one of the reasons we have been restricted to using a leg slip." These are all temptingly convincing explanations and one that a captain must offer to stand by his men. Dhoni's best bet is to hope that his predictions about his team's standout performances coming at standout moments will be spot on. It will then get the Indian loop unstuck and get things moving. Sharda Ugra is senior editor at ESPNcricinfo Feeds: Sharda Ugra © ESPN EMEA Ltd.
someone Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Thats crazy, Harbhajan takes wickets 50-2, you lot critize him for his economy rate. He gives away 30 for 0, you lot critize him for his wickets. While at the same time, you are demanding the inclusion of Ashwin who is primarily a bowler with good economy rate other the latter
dnmaru Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Believe me Bhajji will strike in key matches (Quarter Final onwards).... He is sleeping lion ....just wait La De Word Cup Criket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWaU_29Fdfc
vvvslaxman Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Thats crazy, Harbhajan takes wickets 50-2, you lot critize him for his economy rate. He gives away 30 for 0, you lot critize him for his wickets. While at the same time, you are demanding the inclusion of Ashwin who is primarily a bowler with good economy rate other the latter That is fictional. Nobody criticized him for taking wickets. Ashwin's strike rate is 28. Best among the current Indian bowlers.
someone Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 That is fictional. Nobody criticized him for taking wickets. Ashwin's strike rate is 28. Best among the current Indian bowlers. And how many matches have he played? Stop making nonsense that Ashwin is the best spinner. Ashwin is not the best indian spinner but can be just like Ojha,Jadeja,Chawla. Bhaji is really much better than Ashwin atm.
vvvslaxman Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 And how many matches have he played? Stop making nonsense that Ashwin is the best spinner. Ashwin is not the best indian spinner but can be just like Ojha,Jadeja,Chawla. Bhaji is really much better than Ashwin atm. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=4857;type=tournament Do you see Harbhajan in this list? When you say Ashwin is not good based on 7 matches he played i can say he is a good bowler based on 7 matches. In this case stats back me up.
someone Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=4857;type=tournament Do you see Harbhajan in this list? When you say Ashwin is not good based on 7 matches he played i can say he is a good bowler based on 7 matches. In this case stats back me up. You do understand that the bowlers job can be many. Not only taking wickets but also containing opponents. Bhaji has been doing that, of course his bowling is far from perfect but it is totally disaster like many of you are saying. If you think a player with 7 matches is already great, then really no point arguing with your odd reasoning.
vvvslaxman Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 You do understand that the bowlers job can be many. Not only taking wickets but also containing opponents. Bhaji has been doing that, of course his bowling is far from perfect but it is totally disaster like many of you are saying. If you think a player with 7 matches is already great, then really no point arguing with your odd reasoning. Primary job is to take wickets. You do not tell your premiere spinner that you are here to contain the batsmen. I am pretty sure that is not the instruction from Dhoni. He remotely even beat the minnow players bat.
Ranjha Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Bhajji was shown respect by minnows and blocked against...bhajji has done ok so far and in big games, he will strike.
someone Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Primary job is to take wickets. You do not tell your premiere spinner that you are here to contain the batsmen. I am pretty sure that is not the instruction from Dhoni. He remotely even beat the minnow players bat. Of course, I myself wrote primary job is take wickets b4, but the point is Bhaji is still doing one part right which is containing the opponents and then it is up to wicket takers and genuine spinners(Chawla not Ashwin) to do something.
zen Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Ah ha, so Dhoni is looking at the 'big picture' .... Let's see whether Bhajji turns up a lion (batsmen eater) or a mouse (darts bowler) in the KOs :P
yoda Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Stupid comment by Dhoni. We all have seen the bowling of these guys so far this WC. Yuvraj has looked miles ahead of Harbhajan and Chawla and Pathan.
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