Cevno Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Actually forget about the pardon issue' date=' the real question should be why was the sentenced reduced from 6 years to 5 years. Sanjay's defense has always been it's a one mistake so minimum sentence[b'] but the reality is he has been caught several times doing wrong so not sure why was the sentenced reduced. Instead of praising the decision for 5 years, we should ask what made the one year reduction. His community services is hardly any good reason. Then, on katju, he should simply be removed and a nutcase. This is not his first time and he has made far more ridiculously statements (eg. Modi) that deserved higher critism. But our media simply is not credible and really has it own bias. Errr What wrong ? Yeah, he is no saint but you can't convict someone under Arms act more harshly because he used to take drugs earlier. The fact that the case has lasted 20 years where a man can change completely, and also his conduct has been very good is sufficient grounds to reduce the sentence along with his other work and mitigating circumstances like the communal tensions in Bombay at the time. And as for Katju he is entitled to express his opinion if it's ridiculous. Don't get why Media or anyone pays attention to him anymore.
The Outsider Posted March 23, 2013 Author Posted March 23, 2013 This gives me a glimmer of hope that one day Modi will also be brought to justice, even if it's a ceremonial sentence 30 years after 2002 happened.
Raghav_12 Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Based on whatever I read about case if anybody needs some kind of leniency that it would be Yakub Menon assuming what facts I have gone through give reasonable well picture of Yakub Menon's complicity. I think his death penalty should have been commuted to life imprisonment like 10 others. He was involved in plot but he was not chief conspirator who by all accounts was his brother Tiger Menon. What I understand, Yakub had come back to India on his own behest and had helped CBI build whole case. India could not lay hands on Tiger even after so many years and Yakub's death penalty seems more on the lines that "somebody" should be hanged for ghastly incident which killed some 250 plus Indians. One article I read on him. This is rediff though, so make whatever you want out of it. http://www.rediff.co.in/news/2007/aug/07sheela.htm
Cevno Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/yakub-memon-1993-mumbai-blasts-convict-exclusive-interview-capital-punishment-special-tada-court-life-imprisonment/1/258862.html http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/sanjay-dutt-1993-mumbai-blast-case-sanjay-dutt-jail-tada-abu-salem-sting-tehelka-operation/1/259102.html iNTERESTING VIDEOS.
coffee_rules Posted March 25, 2013 Posted March 25, 2013 To be fair' date=' Sanjay Dutt has not been convicted in Mumbai blasts. He has been convicted in Arms act. 2 Different things.[/quote'] http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sanjay-dutt-did-more-than-just-keep-a-gun-for-selfprotection-in-1993/1092232/0
dial_100 Posted March 25, 2013 Posted March 25, 2013 Sanju's guilt has been proven. The discussion on this matter is about he is given enough sentence or not. As much as I want his sentence be reduced, I cannot really do it. If I were the judge, he would have gotten his full 5-6 years. It is necessary for us to convict the guilty. I hope that celebrities take a strong note of this and make sure that they lead an ideal life as many millions follow them.
coffee_rules Posted March 25, 2013 Posted March 25, 2013 Sanju's guilt has been proven. The discussion on this matter is about he is given enough sentence or not. As much as I want his sentence be reduced' date=' I cannot really do it. If I were the judge, he would have gotten his full 5-6 years. It is necessary for us to convict the guilty. I hope that celebrities take a strong note of this and make sure that they lead an ideal life as many millions follow them.[/quote'] If others who helped him get rid of weapons are convicted for 5-6 years in jail, why should only SD be pardoned? Bollywood says he has suffered enough, he's a family man etc. What a load of rubbish! If Narendra Modi is found guilty, he should also go to jail.
Mariyam Posted March 26, 2013 Posted March 26, 2013 Based on whatever I read about case if anybody needs some kind of leniency that it would be Yakub Menon assuming what facts I have gone through give reasonable well picture of Yakub Menon's complicity. I think his death penalty should have been commuted to life imprisonment like 10 others. He was involved in plot but he was not chief conspirator who by all accounts was his brother Tiger Menon. What I understand, Yakub had come back to India on his own behest and had helped CBI build whole case. India could not lay hands on Tiger even after so many years and Yakub's death penalty seems more on the lines that "somebody" should be hanged for ghastly incident which killed some 250 plus Indians. One article I read on him. This is rediff though, so make whatever you want out of it. http://www.rediff.co.in/news/2007/aug/07sheela.htm +1 If Yakub Memon was a co-conspirator why would he give himself up to the authorities? Its something I haven't understood. Or maybe the GoI trolled him- promised him of leniency/ very light punishment if he agreed to spill the beans and then went back on their word. Wouldn't he, like his brothers, just stay put in Pakistan if he had something to fear?
neoripper2 Posted March 26, 2013 Posted March 26, 2013 This Tehelka article does an amazing job breaking down how Sanjay did not get convicted by TADA due to his connections. The police picked up Sanjay from the airport, allowed him to sleep on the sofa in one of the officers’ rooms, and at 10am the next day, the then Joint Commissioner of Police (Crime) MN Singh and his deputy Rakesh Maria started the interrogation. Sanjay broke down and narrated the entire story. The same evening, Sunil Dutt and his daughter Priya Dutt met Sanjay in the presence of the police officers. Sunil Dutt was still not ready to believe that his son could have been involved in the blasts conspiracy. Maria told Sanjay to tell his father the truth, and Sanjay conceded that he had been in possession of an assault rifle and some ammunition that he had got from Anees Ibrahim. Sunil Dutt wanted to know the reason why. He was not prepared for the answer: “Because I have Muslim blood in my veins. I could not bear what was happening in the city.†A crestfallen Sunil Dutt left the police headquarters. It was a moment almost worse than the shock of the previous day. No one knows the anomaly of the judgement better than Maneshinde. On the spycam, he says, “When I will be asked by the Supreme Court why everyone else has got TADA and my client only the Arms Act, I will have no answer.†The statement speaks volumes coming as it does from Sanjay’s own lawyer. Why is the lawyer worried? http://tehelka.com/how-the-star-escaped-tada/ Sanjay Dutt should be in prison. The idea that this man who is the son of a famous MP and a movie star could not get protection is ridiculous. He also had 3 licensed guns. He had no reason to have three AK-56 rifles, nine magazines, 450 cartridges and over 20 hand grenades.
someone Posted March 26, 2013 Posted March 26, 2013 1993 Bombay blasts: same crime, different punishment http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/1993-bombay-blasts-same-crime-different-punishment-346294?pfrom=home-otherstories Both Zaibunissa and Sanjay Dutt were charged under TADA or the Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act for aiding and abetting a terrorist act. Zaibunissa was given five year rigorous imprisonment under the Act. The TADA charges were later dropped against the actor, but upheld against Zaibunissa. Zaibunissa's daughter says the family was shocked as they were expecting her acquittal. Journalist Harinder Baweja, who reported on Zaibunissa extensively, says, "In the entire chain, everybody who brought the weapons and took the weapons were convicted under TADA. It defies legal logic why everybody else got TADA and not Sanjay Dutt." Zaibunissa's daughter says if Sanjay Dutt can indeed be pardoned, why not her mother. That's the reality here. If we are to have any debate, it should about why were Dutt charges reduced instead of the supposed pardon!!!
Crookbond Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Some points (contrary to what people have stated in this thread) in the Sanjay Dutt case and an alternate perspective. http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284605 Even though Sanjay has been found guilty of illegal possession of arms, no evidence has been forthcoming to show that he was aware that these arms were part of a consignment that had been smuggled in from Pakistan for use in the Mumbai serial blasts of March 1993. If he was aware of this fact, as a law-abiding citizen, he should have immediately alerted the police and his failure to do so would have amounted to complicity in an act of terrorism. Since there is no evidence to show that he was aware of this fact, he cannot be accused of complicity in an act of terrorism. No other evidence has been forthcoming to show that he was part of the conspiracy relating to the Mumbai blasts. He has not been found guilty of an act of terrorism. Despite the absence of any evidence to show his involvement, he was treated as a suspect under the TADA along with the members of the conspiracy. As a result, he was not tried separately under the Arms Act, but along with the conspirators and perpetrators of the Mumbai blasts. The trial went on for 20 years. Had he been tried separately under the Arms Act and not with others, his case might have concluded a long time ago and by now he might have completed his sentence. His case being clubbed along with the cases against others has resulted in his having to wait for 20 years for the final judgment and he has to go to jail now after this long delay, spending another three and a half years in custody. This is unfair to him and is contrary to the principles of natural justice.
FischerTal Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 This gives me a glimmer of hope that one day Modi will also be brought to justice' date=' even if it's a ceremonial sentence 30 years after 2002 happened.[/quote'] :giggle: keep dreaming
someone Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 In what appears to be a dilution, the CBI also failed to press the charge of destruction of evidence against Sanjay in their written submission. Initially, when the Mumbai Police filed the chargesheet, a copy of which is with Tehelka, they had slapped Sanjay with that charge. Nullwala, who destroyed the weapons on Sanjay’s instruction, has been convicted under the Arms Act. Commenting on the disparity, he told Tehelka, “This will always happen… this is nothing new… See this thing… politicians… they do every possible thing… nothing happens to them… Why? It comes in the paper… it comes on the idiot box every single day… but what happens… it’s always people like us, we have to suffer… you know, we are the example for the world…”
Mariyam Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 Some points (contrary to what people have stated in this thread) in the Sanjay Dutt case and an alternate perspective. http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284605 Why don't you extend this line of reasoning to Zaibunissa Kazi too? According to her daughter, Abu Salem hid the weapons at their home without their knowledge. Then at a later date those were taken away. Furthermore, no weapon was ever recovered from their home. It was Abu Salem and a few others who they claim implicated them over a business deal gone sour, that led to the arrests. Those murky details aside, one thing is for sure; unlike Sanjay Dutt, she didn't ask for those weapons from a don. Yet she is charged under the TADA, and Sanjay Dutt isn't. That is a discrepancy, that is rather difficult to explain. Besides, the TADA is applicable even if one is just a conduit for weapons and isn't aware of a larger conspiracy or claims ignorance. Still calls for a minimum 5 year sentence. Could even warrant a lifer.
seedhi Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 Why don't you extend this line of reasoning to Zaibunissa Kazi too? According to her daughter, Abu Salem hid the weapons at their home without their knowledge. Then at a later date those were taken away. Furthermore, no weapon was ever recovered from their home. It was Abu Salem and a few others who they claim implicated them over a business deal gone sour, that led to the arrests. Those murky details aside, one thing is for sure; unlike Sanjay Dutt, she didn't ask for those weapons from a don. Yet she is charged under the TADA, and Sanjay Dutt isn't. That is a discrepancy, that is rather difficult to explain. Besides, the TADA is applicable even if one is just a conduit for weapons and isn't aware of a larger conspiracy or claims ignorance. Still calls for a minimum 5 year sentence. Could even warrant a lifer.Actually the court judgment did in fact establish that Ms Kazi knew that the weapons were to be used for riots. I do agree that irrespective of whether Dutt knew the purpose of the weapons, he should have been convicted under TADA. Let me add that one of the accused confessed that Ms Kazi was told that the weapons were going to be used for riots and another bag was going to be used for bomb blasts.
Crookbond Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 Why don't you extend this line of reasoning to Zaibunissa Kazi too? According to her daughter, Abu Salem hid the weapons at their home without their knowledge. Then at a later date those were taken away. Furthermore, no weapon was ever recovered from their home. It was Abu Salem and a few others who they claim implicated them over a business deal gone sour, that led to the arrests. Those murky details aside, one thing is for sure; unlike Sanjay Dutt, she didn't ask for those weapons from a don. Yet she is charged under the TADA, and Sanjay Dutt isn't. That is a discrepancy, that is rather difficult to explain. Besides, the TADA is applicable even if one is just a conduit for weapons and isn't aware of a larger conspiracy or claims ignorance. Still calls for a minimum 5 year sentence. Could even warrant a lifer. That indeed was a discrepancy!
seedhi Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 That indeed was a discrepancy!Yes it was, but as per evidence there is a perceptional issue regarding the role of Dutt and Ms Kazi. The court found no evidence that Dutt knew what the weapons were to be used for. On the other hand one of the accused confessed that Ms Kazi was told that the weapons were for rioting and a certain bag was for bomb blasts and yet she stored them. Still, Dutt should have been charged and convicted under TADA.
Crookbond Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 Yes it was, but as per evidence there is a perceptional issue regarding the role of Dutt and Ms Kazi. The court found no evidence that Dutt knew what the weapons were to be used for. On the other hand one of the accused confessed that Ms Kazi was told that the weapons were for rioting and a certain bag was for bomb blasts and yet she stored them. Still, Dutt should have been charged and convicted under TADA. Interesting - Can the confession of the accused taken as final verdict is the question? The other is - the law of the land must be accepted. The article which I quoted was under the assumption that SC has done it's job perfectly.
Crookbond Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Governor sends pardon plea for Sanjay to Home Department http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/governor-sends-pardon-plea-for-sanjay-to-home-department/article4567257.ece Maharashtra Governor K. Sankaranarayanan sent Samajwadi Party MP Jaya Prada’s letter seeking pardon for actor Sanjay Dutt to the State Home Department on March 28, according to a statement by the Governor’s office on Sunday. However, the Governor did not make any comments and had “merely” sent the letter. On March 26, Jaya Prada and Amar Singh met the Governor and submitted the letter asking him to use his discretionary powers of granting amnesty and pardon Mr. Dutt considering his background, contribution to the field of cinema and good conduct over the past 20 years. They also attached a letter in the actor’s support from the Sevagram Ashram Pratishthan Trust, which was written to then President Pratibha Patil, seeking her intervention for a pardon for the actor since he had spread Mahatma Gandhi’s message through his films. The Governor’s office, however, said it had also received over 20 representations opposing pardon for Mr. Dutt. I will not question the right to seek pardon as it is constitutional but the grounds on which it is sought is some serious sh!t.
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