vvvslaxman Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/world/asia/05afghanistan.html?hp Afghanistan Intensifies Anti-Pakistan Rhetoric in Aftermath of Bin Laden Raid By ALISSA J. RUBIN Published: May 4, 2011 KABUL, Afghanistan — The Afghanistan government escalated its criticism of Pakistan on Wednesday, publicly questioning for the first time how the Pakistanis could assure the security of their own nuclear weapons if they did not even know that Osama bin Laden, the world’s most wanted terrorist, had been hiding in a compound in a Pakistani military town less than an hour from their own capital. In comments at a weekly news conference, Gen. Zahir Azimi, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry, echoed points made earlier this week by others in Afghanistan, including President Hamid Karzai, but in starker terms. The general specifically pointed fingers at Pakistan’s intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, which has claimed it was unaware that Bin Laden, the Qaeda leader considered responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, had been living for years in the military garrison town of Abbottabad, where American commandos killed him in a surprise raid early Monday. ¶ “If the Pakistani intelligence agency does not know about a home located 10 meters or 100 meters away from its national military academy, where for the last six years the biggest terrorist is living, how can this country take care of its strategic weapons?†General Azimi said. How could they be satisfied that their strategic weapons are not in danger?†he asked. ¶ He added that if Pakistan’s intelligence did in fact know the whereabouts of Bin Laden, then “they are playing a double game.†¶ The specific reference to Pakistan’s intelligence service was an escalation of rhetoric but reflected a refrain heard here since Bin Laden’s death was announced: the Afghan government has said repeatedly that the root and branch of the insurgency here were in Pakistan and that the United States had been waging the war in the wrong country. ¶ Mr. Karzai made such remarks somewhat obliquely in his speeches shortly after Bin Laden’s death was announced, but his national security adviser, Rangin Spanta, was more explicit. ¶ “We have to change the geography of the war,†said Mr. Spanta in an interview. “For 10 years President Karzai has repeated we have to destroy the sanctuaries and the sanctuaries are in Pakistan. “ ¶ Beyond the rhetoric, however, lies a far more complicated dynamic. Pakistan is resented for its military strength and in recent years for its power to ratchet up or down the insurgency in Afghanistan through its hosting of terrorist training camps and its financing for jihadist Islamic movements. But it has also been a refuge for millions of Afghans and has a shared culture, especially in the Pashtun tribal areas, which share a common culture and language with the inhabitants of southern and eastern Afghanistan. By contrast, the north and west of the country are inhabited by Dari speakers, whose ethnicity is closer to that of Persians and some Uzbeks and Turkmens. ¶ Despite the animosity and denunciation, there are also deep ties. “We can not live in permanent war with a neighbor,†said Mr. Spanta, explaining that the tension did not negate the efforts to work with Pakistan to achieve peace with the Taliban. ¶ “Our offer to Pakistan for cooperation with Pakistan and building peace, remains the same,†said Mr. Spanta, despite Bin Laden, showing up in Pakistan’s backyard. ¶ General Azimi’s words were if anything more restrained than those of the former Afghan intelligence director, Amrullah Saleh, who has closely followed Pakistan’s patterns of support for the Taliban and long been an outspoken critic. ¶ “If they were able to protect Osama for 10 years, then Mullah Omar and Haqqani are in the ISI safe guest house, safe house, whatever you want to call it,†said Mr. Saleh, shortly after news of Bin Laden’s killing became public. Mullah Muhammad Omar is the spiritual leader of the Taliban, and the Haqqani Group is a Taliban offshoot believed to be largely funded by Pakistan’s intelligence service. ¶ “It is time for the United States to wake up to the fact that Pakistan is a hostile state exporting terror,†he said. :cantstop: ¶Sharifullah Sahak contributed reporting.
cricketlover Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 like anyone cares about afganistan.. karzai can keep barking and nobody will give a ****. he shouldnt be the head anyway. rigged the elections to win there and :hysterical at afgan general for giving out terms. he can keep em to himself.
vvvslaxman Posted May 5, 2011 Author Posted May 5, 2011 like anyone cares about afganistan.. karzai can keep barking and nobody will give a ****. he shouldnt be the head anyway. rigged the elections to win there and :hysterical at afgan general for giving out terms. he can keep em to himself. And ISI don't rig the polls?
Desi Cartman Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 like anyone cares about afganistan.. karzai can keep barking and nobody will give a ****. Ya like they listen to Pakistani leaders , infact they call them and tell them after having a milatry operation 1 km away from Pakistani Military area :giggle: he shouldnt be the head anyway. rigged the elections to win there I know Pakistanis favour coups :icflove: and :hysterical at afgan general for giving out terms. he can keep em to himself. Ya pretty much like " we will not allow amreekan forces in Pakistan" :hatsoff:
Alchemist Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 Afghanistan has every right to do that. For the past 10 years Pakistan has been throwing them under the bus.
jonas10 Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 We in the west gotta get behind the people of Afghanistan. They are brave people whose country has been made a living hell by one particular country running terrorist operations against it. Afghans are generally kind descent people and are traditionally honest. I sincerely dream of visiting one day when this bloody war is over. Can anyone here recommend a good Afghanistan charity with a good reputation of money going to the people that need it?
Prakat Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 You know you're fecked when Afghanistan is giving you crap.
ganeshran Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 Pakistan's security establishment has historically interfered with Afghanistan government because of strategic concerns. Afghanistan has suffered a lot due to the initial West-CIA-ISI involvement during the soviet conflict. I think the world should now invest in making afghanistan a better place to live in. They owe the people that much atleast.
King Tendulkar Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 You know you're fecked when Afghanistan is giving you crap. :--D
DomainK Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 One wonders how far was OBL from the nukes. One wonders how long before one of these extremists will lay their hands on some nukes.
King Tendulkar Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 i'm sure the US knows exactly what's going on. Whats with these crazy conspiracy theories? it seems you believe the whole thing is made up? What next? Moon landings fake and Elvis is still alive
Sooda Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 Perhaps all these OBL/Pak etc threads should be moved to Politics forum :hmmm:
Mariyam Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 Perhaps all these OBL/Pak etc threads should be moved to Politics forum :hmmm: Exactly. Thank you Mods
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