goose Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 He really is pants. Our very own Mo Sami. Looks like he should get wickets but doesn't. The guy always gives the impression he's just glad to get the ball down the other end. Our bats are rightfully getting a lot of flak but on a wicket where three Aus bowlers could have won MOM Ishant must do better.
1983-2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 If Mithun or Vinay Kumar had figures of 2/91, people would have asked them to be dropped, but Ishant is given special treatment for some reason.
Deleted_User_1 Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 He is bowling with a lot of pace and vigor. Problem is length and line!!
Ram Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 He really is pants. Our very own Mo Sami. Looks like he should get wickets but doesn't. The guy always gives the impression he's just glad to get the ball down the other end. Our bats are rightfully getting a lot of flak but on a wicket where three Aus bowlers could have won MOM Ishant must do better. Dont be so hard on the boy. Dont forget, he's still only 23, which is very young by fast bowling standards. Plus, he went through a horror 15-18 month period where he lost his pace and subsequently his place in the side. I think he has shown a lot of courage and fight to get himself back in the business. If you had seen him bowl the way he did in 2nd innings in Mohali in 2010 in Australia, or during the entire duration of the Windies tour, or parts of the England tour, you wouldnt be saying the things you have been saying. If anything, I am willing to bet that in the last one year alone, Cricinfo has run more exclusive articles praising his bowling than any other fast bowler in the world. In fact, to spare you the time, I did the searching myself and here is what I found; 1) India v Australia - 2010; Ishant finally makes an impact - http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2010/content/story/479913.html Ishant's attitude wins hearts - http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2010/content/story/480115.html And here's an excerpt from that article; This Test shows just why Ishant Sharma is still a part of the Indian team. And that reason is not his batting - without which VVS Laxman wouldn't have been able to win India this great Test match. It's the attitude he brings, the determination and the temperament that has made him a favourite with the team management, and who can blame them? In a scathing interview to ESPNcricinfo recently, India's former bowling coach Venkatesh Prasad spoke unflatteringly of some of Indian fast bowlers' attitude. Ishant, though, he couldn't stop praising. "He's somebody who works extremely hard at the nets," Prasad said. "He bowls in the nets at the same intensity with which he would bowl in a match. He has a great work ethic." 2) India v West Indies - 2011 Ishant cherishes success after gloom - http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-india-2011/content/story/521448.html 3) India V England - 2011 Ishant lights up the fourth day - http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/content/story/524594.html Ishant Sharma's five overs for four runs and three wickets before lunch is up there among the best spells of fast bowling in recent years Ishant's spell at Lord's may not have a bearing on the result of the match, but if he lives up to his desire to be more consistent, to not commit the mistake of copying anyone else, to be himself, then there are many similar spells in the offing Impressive Ishant stuck without support - http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/content/story/528725.html Ishant Sharma must have felt caught in a sci-fi horror movie: there he was, valiantly defending one side of his spaceship. On the other side, some cowboys were letting all the aliens in But I will add this though - For somebody who has the tools he has - Pace, bounce, movement and reasonable control - he does not get nearly as many wickets as he should. It could be due to many factors, but the main problem, in my opinion, is that Ishant is suffering from what I would like to call the 'Srinath syndrome'. Not many people often talk about this, but Srinath was one of the standout paceman of his time. But he never managed to inflict nearly the same levels of damage as a Mcgrath or a Ambrose or Akram or Younis or a Donald. It certainly was not due to lack of skill. My guess is, deep within his heart, Srinath lacked that last bit of self-belief and killer instinct needed to go for the kill when he sensed blood and run through sides. Just watching him play, you could tell - He almost seemed surprised that he was doing well. Ishant faces the same problem - He is just too nice a guy. He needs to let go of his niceness and go on all out attack. He needs to start HATING opposition batsmen, instead of just wanting to get them out. If he manages to undergo this transformation, I am willing to bet that his returns will improve dramatically. All the figures of 2 for 91 or 3 for 120 will turn into figures of 5 for 75 or 6 for 90.
goose Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 I don't doubt his work ethic, but he's been around for a long time regardless of his age. He bowls far too many balls on 6th stump outside off and down leg-side. That is unacceptable at this level. His inability to sustain a nagging line or create doubt means he needs a magic ball to take a wicket. He's utterly ineffective against left-handers. World bowling standards are on the up too in a big way. I will give him credit for getting his speed up, however.
Dravid_TheWall Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 If Mithun or Vinay Kumar had figures of 2/91' date=' people would have asked them to be dropped, but Ishant is given special treatment for some reason.[/quote'] Of course, this has been the story for the last 4 years. Glad more people are seeing this now too not just me :two_thumbs_up: All about sucking Mahi's ****. On a serious note, he didn't bowl that badly in last test, but tbh I don't think this guy will be around much longer in international cricket. You only have to watch a few of his matches to realise he is not going to be a wicket taker at international level. He has had all sorts of guidance from bowling coaches but can't take top order wickets with consistency. The pitches in Aus are green and this is his best chance of proving people wrong. Hope he succeeds for India's sake, at least he got into some form of rhythm in the last test. May help him now.
goose Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Indians always attach massive weight to a single breakthrough performance, be it a rookie paceman (Ishant 2008) or a Bollywood debutante. Mediocrity is fine as long as you started out great.
rkt.india Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 He is bowling with a lot of pace and vigor. Problem is length and line!! His length and line is not bad too which shows in his economy as he has not gone for too many runs. He just needs to be persistent in the corridor where he got Clark in the second inning.
Karan114 Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Indians always attach massive weight to a single breakthrough performance' date=' be it a rookie paceman (Ishant 2008) or a Bollywood debutante. Mediocrity is fine as long as you started out great.[/quote'] To be fair we overrate the start Ishant made. His bowling average has never been under 31 at any point in his career. What he has always been capable of is bowling superb spells from time to time, but consistently taking wickets against the better batting line-ups has been a problem for him throughout. That series in Aus four years ago sums up his career well - he absolutely dominated Ponting, then the world's no.1 batsman, but his series average was 60.
deathmonger Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 To be fair we overrate the start Ishant made. His bowling average has never been under 31 at any point in his career. What he has always been capable is bowling superb spells from time to time' date=' but consistently taking wickets against the better batting line-ups has been a problem for him throughout. That series in Aus four years ago sums up his career well - he absolutely dominated Ponting, then the world's no.1 batsman, but his series average was 60.[/quote'] you could say the same about amir
deathmonger Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 To be fair we overrate the start Ishant made. His bowling average has never been under 31 at any point in his career. What he has always been capable is bowling superb spells from time to time' date=' but consistently taking wickets against the better batting line-ups has been a problem for him throughout. That series in Aus four years ago sums up his career well - he absolutely dominated Ponting, then the world's no.1 batsman, but his series average was 60.[/quote'] no we are talking of oz tour to india in 2008 which we won 2-0 where ishant was mos with series avg 20 something
Karan114 Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 you could say the same about amir Who gives a **** about Amir? He is history as far as international cricket is concerned. no we are talking of oz tour to india in 2008 which we won 2-0 where ishant was mos with series avg 20 something Yes, he was good in that series, but it doesn't change the fact that his average has never been under 31. Look at the kind of starts Yadav, Pattinson and Philander have made to their Test careers.
deathmonger Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Who gives a **** about Amir? He is history as far as international cricket is concerned. Yes, he was good in that series, but it doesn't change the fact that his average has never been under 31. Look at the kind of starts Yadav, Pattinson and Philander have made to their Test careers. Not all great players have good starts to their career. Ishant has potential. That much is evident. And the thing about Amir was that he took some time before taking off in that England series. Ishant spent the bulk of 2009-10 losing pace and languishing in mediocrity. Now he's got pace back and has been impressive in patches. Better performances will happen this very tour only.
pindxb Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Ishant cannot be called unlucky. He was too defensive, maybe making sure he didnt go for runs. He shud pitch the ball a bit further up. With his pace and a bit of movement he can make a big difference in the series.
Cricket Tragic Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 To be fair we overrate the start Ishant made. His bowling average has never been under 31 at any point in his career. What he has always been capable of is bowling superb spells from time to time' date=' but consistently taking wickets against the better batting line-ups has been a problem for him throughout. That series in Aus four years ago sums up his career well - he absolutely dominated Ponting, then the world's no.1 batsman, but his series average was 60.[/quote'] ++++
bulbul Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Indians always attach massive weight to a single breakthrough performance' date=' be it a rookie paceman (Ishant 2008) or a Bollywood debutante. Mediocrity is fine as long as you started out great.[/quote'] main problem is people compare this guy with even Mediocre bowlers and then ask where is better options.. We are specialists in every field to accept mediocrity in everyfield becuase of lack of options..
VRV Singh Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 He won't get past the consistently taking wickets barrier unless he sorts his issues against left-handers. Aus line-up is littered with them. But whilst we can appreciate his limitations, let's not go down the 'if Mithun or Vinay Kumar had done this' route. Ishant gave away 91 runs in 36 overs, it isn't because he is phaast that fewer people are calling for his dropping.
Pak_Fan_4_Eva Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 I still maintain Sreesanth would've done a better job in Oz. He usually pitches it full and gets it to swing away from the right hander. Would've been pretty handy. Still, three more Tests to go. Issshhhaaannnt was impressive at the MCG. He could prove me wrong for all I know but I can't see him taking wickets by the bucketload anytime soon.
Dravid_TheWall Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 I still maintain Sreesanth would've done a better job in Oz. He usually pitches it full and gets it to swing away from the right hander. Would've been pretty handy. Still, three more Tests to go. Issshhhaaannnt was impressive at the MCG. He could prove me wrong for all I know but I can't see him taking wickets by the bucketload anytime soon. Yes, swings both ways at good pace, can take your wicket in many ways. It is unfair to compare Ishant to Sreesanth, like comparing apples and pears. On the one hand is mediocre Ishant of 4 years and on the other is a "highly skilled" Sreesanth in Steyn and Anderson mould. This was felt by Kirsten, Greg Chappell, Donald e.t.c
rkt.india Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 To be fair we overrate the start Ishant made. His bowling average has never been under 31 at any point in his career. What he has always been capable of is bowling superb spells from time to time' date=' but consistently taking wickets against the better batting line-ups has been a problem for him throughout. That series in Aus four years ago sums up his career well - he absolutely dominated Ponting but his series average was 60.[/quote'] GOOD post. Sreesath and munaf had much successful start to their test careers. sreesanth had 44 wickets in first 11 tests while munaf had 24 wickets in 6 tests, but those guys plagued with injuries and lack of commitment. while ishant showed the determination and zeal to come back after a slump of about 2 years due to his intentional change in his action, drop in pace but even in that slump, he bowled some good spells against australia, new zealand, south africa, srilanka, etc.
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