Will BCCI learn and prepare Green tracks for Domestic and international matches in INDIA

[Old guy]

Domestic, yes. But not internationals. I never see England or Australia preparing dust bowls in their country. By the way, in the Ranjis it's the home team that prepares the track and not BCCI. The track is prepared according to the strengths of the home team and not every track is a flat track either. The home-and-away advantages work fulltime there.

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[zep1706]

For international matches I want to see pitches that offer a lot of turn and bounce. For domestic matches I wouldn't mind green tracks but that again depends on the home team. But the first innings lead pint system must go. BCCI should invest in pitches that offer pace and bounce in the practice facilities so that our players can prepare well for overseas tour. i believe it's not impossible to make such pitches if they get the right soil. NCA Bangalore should be the right choice because of the weather.

[vishalvirsingh]

Thank you Saurav01 You have given some good information. But if out batters only get spinners to face...they will suceed in india n score big runs n failt outside. Do u know on indian tracks , our third string of batters can also face the Aussie attack comprising od Siddle, hilfy and Starc. Sehwag will hit a 200 sachin a 100 in each Test...Dravid will not get Out till dhoni Declares...that's what will happen in india and india team will score 600 for 5. Our second string will score 500 for 5 and third string 400 for 5 but even our second string team will have a couple of spinners who will beat the OZ. But that does not RESOLVE our issue.....what ever indian batsman u select Indian team will not beat OZ today.....I have no doubt that sachin VVS n dravid r our best batters along with Kohl n sehwag as I have seen there batting with my own eyes in the stadium but they are also failing BIG way. So we need to take right decisions and I Feel BCCi has to order curators across to make Green n bouncy tracks......what ever it takes to do but we need fast tracks else what ever team our selectors select will fail big way over seas.i

[Magneto]

Thank you Saurav01 You have given some good information. But if out batters only get spinners to face...they will suceed in india n score big runs n failt outside. Do u know on indian tracks , our third string of batters can also face the Aussie attack comprising od Siddle, hilfy and Starc. Sehwag will hit a 200 sachin a 100 in each Test...Dravid will not get Out till dhoni Declares...that's what will happen in india and india team will score 600 for 5. Our second string will score 500 for 5 and third string 400 for 5 but even our second string team will have a couple of spinners who will beat the OZ. But that does not RESOLVE our issue.....what ever indian batsman u select Indian team will not beat OZ today.....I have no doubt that sachin VVS n dravid r our best batters along with Kohl n sehwag as I have seen there batting with my own eyes in the stadium but they are also failing BIG way. So we need to take right decisions and I Feel BCCi has to order curators across to make Green n bouncy tracks......what ever it takes to do but we need fast tracks else what ever team our selectors select will fail big way over seas.i

See, our batsmen have not really done that badly overseas before the England tour. We need to send our Under-21 teams and A teams regularly world over to acclimatise them to conditions. If BCCI tries to manipulate pitches in Ranji trophies, no spinners would be eventually groomed and we will finally become green track bullies like England and lose to all the other subcontinent teams. Creating pitches with more bounce can be the first step to take. And then to groom some fast bowlers from the Under-16/Under-18/Under-21 levels to help them reach international standards gradually. When these phaast bowlers will eventually play domestic matches on bouncy tracks, our domestic batsmen will automatically have a taste of the kind of bowlers they'll face internationally and adjust their techniques. Then automatically things will fall into place and we'll become world beaters. But we'll continue to prepare dustbowls for international matches.

[Old guy]

good news we have accepted that we suck while touring so first step is already taken.. its only up from here on next few years would be exciting.. new players , new team... probably new special performances

[MCcricket]

WE SHOULD HAVE SPORTY WICKETS IN DOMESTIC GAMES, WHY NOT TAKE HOME ADVANTAGE AND PLAY OUR INTERNATIONAL GAMES ON OUR REGULAR WICKETS,DOES Australia, England prepare wickets to favour us NO.

[Old guy]

WE SHOULD HAVE SPORTY WICKETS IN DOMESTIC GAMES' date=' WHY NOT TAKE HOME ADVANTAGE AND PLAY OUR INTERNATIONAL GAMES ON OUR REGULAR WICKETS,DOES Australia, England prepare wickets to favour us NO.[/quote'] exactly ..i said the same thing people should understand maybe in ranji make green wickets.. but in test matches .. why give them advantage they never prepare spin tracks for us

[Cricketics]

Actually this season, the 2nd half of Ranji had some really close games. I enjoyed following(reading scores)

[Old guy]

Actually this season' date=' the 2nd half of Ranji had some really close games. I enjoyed following(reading scores)[/quote'] bowlers dominated...so games were better...

[Needforspeed]

good news we have accepted that we suck while touring so first step is already taken.. its only up from here on next few years would be exciting.. new players , new team... probably new special performances

Sabby, This acceptance has been done many times before. Its only to keep people and the media quiet. This need for better wickets have been spoken about for many years. There was even a pitch committee formed under Kapil Dev. But nothing changed. God knows what happened to the committee. There were also Talent scouts officers appointed by BCCI. It was discontinued after this administration took over. These scouts used to actually watch domestic matches and report to BCCI. Dhoni himself is a result of this talent scout system. I will believe that BCCI is sincere, when I see something real happening. These guys have always been good at BS. Only hope is that the sponsors and advertisers will start screwing them.

[Old guy]

Sabby, This acceptance has been done many times before. Its only to keep people and the media quiet. This need for better wickets have been spoken about for many years. There was even a pitch committee formed under Kapil Dev. But nothing changed. God knows what happened to the committee. There were also Talent scouts officers appointed by BCCI. It was discontinued after this administration took over. These scouts used to actually watch domestic matches and report to BCCI. Dhoni himself is a result of this talent scout system. I will believe that BCCI is sincere, when I see something real happening. These guys have always been good at BS. Only hope is that the sponsors and advertisers will start screwing them.

i just dont even expect bcci to do anything..its private profit making company they wont even show there records! ofc we need better wickets.. its common sense but thats not gonna happen..u can say i lost hope. and mark my words we will never dominate cricket.. with this system.. all i said was we will become decent again right now we plainly suck

[Needforspeed]

i just dont even expect bcci to do anything..its private profit making company they wont even show there records! ofc we need better wickets.. its common sense but thats not gonna happen..u can say i lost hope. and mark my words we will never dominate cricket.. with this system.. all i said was we will become decent again right now we plainly suck

Hope is life. Its the same system that brought out talents like Sunil Gavaskar, Mohinder Amarnath, Sachin Tendulkar, Kapil Dev, Rahul Dravid etc. So the hope is inspite of the BS that BCCI is, the natural talent will somehow come out and do the job. This has been the bane and blessing of Indian, Pakistani and SriLankan Cricket.

[Old guy]

Hope is life. Its the same system that brought out talents like Sunil Gavaskar, Mohinder Amarnath, Sachin Tendulkar, Kapil Dev, Rahul Dravid etc. So the hope is inspite of the BS that BCCI is, the natural talent will somehow come out and do the job. This has been the bane and blessing of Indian, Pakistani and SriLankan Cricket.

even with this talent.. we havent won anything significant outside sub continent we all love this game and our board is richest still we are not dominating this game that tells u something is wrong .. we will again produce talents like them thats not a problem like i myself said before and would again become decent but to dominate this game we need better system we cant let them select kumar, mithun infront of bowlers like dinda it just hurts me .. how can they select unadkat ahead of yadav (souh africa tour) and these are just selection errors..imagine how facilities , coaching would be in state teams.. pitches im not even concerned abt them currently

[prashsenga]

Excellent article from Yahoo on way forward.. http://cricket.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-cricket-columns/cricket-academies-way-forward-41.html Part I of this piece was about the specialised academies that the BCCI has put in place to enable talent development, according to their skills - pace bowling, spin bowling, wicketkeeping and batting. The piece was concluded with the view that these academies are not quite the way forward, primarily because they limit the scope of talent development based on perceived excellence in specific skills, rather than a wider range of qualities that eventually separate the chaff from the grain. Å´kills refers to the inherent ability of any cricketer to play the straightest of drives, elbow facing the bowler. Or even that rare display of intent by a spinner to deceive a batsman with flight, loop and dip. These are things youÃÓe taught at a young age. Surely, thatÃÔ not enough, or is it? What about the qualities required to make the cut? For a batsman the ability to plan his innings in a particular manner, depending upon the conditions, the opposition, the situation and so on. For a bowler, it becomes the ability to bowl to set batsmen, work the batsman over, outthink him or even do the donkey job of bowling for the lad from the other end. These qualities arenÃÕ taught with bowling machines and speed guns. Where Indian cricket could learn from football than simply aping a club tournament concept would be in the strong emphasis on scouting, and not through tournaments like the Indian Premier League or the Champions League T20, or any T20 tournament for that matter, where the format conceals a lot more about a player than it reveals. Importantly, the academy structure deserves a thorough review and it needs to get centralised than delegate their responsibility to these specialized academies. Too Much Coaching Fundamentally, the failure of the BCCIÃÔ Specialized Academy stems from two important factors multiplicity of coaches and the selection of players. The huge number of coaches and techniques a player is exposed to by age 18-19 leaves him confused. A cricketer is exposed to at least six levels of coaching techniques before he enters the specialized academies, where the number increases to 7. Confused? Levels of exposure? School, state academy, state age groups (14s/16s/19s - all separately), National Cricket Academy and finally the specialist academy. All this, at an age where the young lad simply wants to play as much cricket as he possibly could. So whatÃÔ the way forward, you ask? Here are some possible solutions. Bring back the TRDW Firstly, there is an urgent need to bring back the concept of the Talent Resource and Development Wing of the BCCI, which was designed and recommended by veteran cricket journalist and administrator Makarand Waingankar, initiated by the then BCCI president Jagmohan Dalmiya and executed to perfection by former India batsman Dilip Vengsarkar, who headed the body. Sadly, it became a rather unfortunate victim of regime change (like everything good the BCCI does) and was virtually abandoned in 2006 by Sharad Pawar & Co. The concept, per-se is fairly simple it provided Indian cricket with a mechanism which enabled an intensive, systematic player scouting and identification process of quality talent across the country, from the sportÃÔ traditional hinterlands to the nondescript districts of the country, which were otherwise neglected by successive cricketing establishments due to various reasons. A stand-out feature of that set-up was a degree of objectivity in the assessment of a talent by more than one scout for a definite period of time. This went a long way in temporarily doing away with the concept of zonal and state-based selection fiefdoms and brought a certain degree of centrality to both talent identification and development. In fact, it is to this systemÃÔ credit that the World Cup-winning Indian squad had as many as 6-8 members who had been through the TRDW regime. This concept aimed to remove the inevitability of bias in selection of players across levels. How did they do this? There were 20-25 TRDOs (or Talent Resource and Development Officers) in place, former first-class cricketers or internationals. Their job was to watch almost 350-400 matches played annually in the country, across age group levels, across formats and assess players independently. Every player who played the BCCI-qualified tournaments was being assessed by multiple TRDOs at different stages during different matches, without being given an opportunity to share their assessments. The reports were compiled and calculated and analyzed annually through a talent and performance criteria, and the cricketers coming through this process would be picked for further development at the National Cricket Academy. The pyramid here would have a stronger, broader base covered from all sides, thus helping the top, unlike its inverted form that Indian cricket was following pre-TRDWs and is also in place with the specialized academies, where instead of broadbasing, thereÃÔ an element of narrowing and shortlisting on fairly subjective criteria. The Problem of Academy Intakes Secondly, the concept of selection as far as academy intakes go needs to be revisited. In 2001, the National Cricket Academy introduced the Colonel Hemu Adhikari Trophy, which was essentially meant to be a four-day competition played in Bangalore, usually around the first three weeks of June to help assist the NCA with their intakes. The five zonal academies East, West, North, South and Central and the Rest (players ignored by the Zonal teams) with a squad of 25 each played against each other and again, through intensive scouting the top 30 or so from this tournament are awarded scholarships with the National Cricket Academy. This tournament was last played in 2009 and subsequently, the BCCI replaced the zonal academies with these specialized ones, because it felt the state associations with supposedly ÅØorld-class facilities were doing the job rather well. Fair enough. What the BCCI doesnÃÕ get is that in the process, selection of players could depend on variables than constants like performances and ability, and that youÃÓe not too sure if the right talent is coming through. The Hemu Adhikari trophy played a big part in giving the age-group players a worthy platform to get noticed and win a scholarship. It incentivized performances and didnÃÕ guarantee a scholarship spot. Today, as an East Zone association member told me when working on Part I of this series, Ūf a bowler concedes 80 runs in 12 overs, because he comes from a powerful association, his name is recommended to the junior selection committee. What is the justification? On the contrary, doesnÃÕ the selection of an ordinary talent due to non-cricketing reasons become unfair to a promising lad, trying to firm up his best in every opportunity? Glossing over the Ã…Ãnly-30-can-be-picked excuse that we seem to have mastered, can we please ask if those 5 of those 30 really deserve to be there? Fix the National Cricket Academy Thirdly, are these specialist cricket academies undermining the larger role of the NCA must play in Indian cricket? Possibly. The problem lies in the prism through which we see the NCA today. For some, itÃÔ a glorified rehabilitation centre for contracted cricketers. For others, itÃÔ just another cricket academy. Sadly, it needs to reinvent itself to find a relevance in todayÃÔ cricketing ecosystem. How? Here are some suggestions. Use the NCA more as a graduating school, or a finishing school. Specialist academies have no business to operate separately. A functional academy should consist of specialist units, with dedicated coaching staff. Rather bizarrely, the specialist academy committee, isnÃÕ even a sub-committee (like the IPL conveniently is) under the NCA Committee headed by Anil Kumble. We can revitalise the academy structure and make it relevant, but not simply by upgrading facilities and calling them world-class. At the end of the day, it is the personnel and not the bowling machines that help mould a cricketer and I think this is where the BCCI could learn a thing or two from, say, England or Australia. Effectively, the National Cricket Academy should be a graduation school, much like universities a three-year programme where the cricketer doesnÃÕ just learn about the perfect out-swinger, but also effective communication skills and lifestyle development. Additionally (and Part III of this story will have more on this), the academy intakes should feature as the sixth team in the zonal tournaments and could easily replace the India Greens in the Challengers and some of the better wards could represent India in the Emerging Players tourney (along with India A regulars). Yes, the existing talent development narrative in Indian cricket goes back and forth to the need for more â tours and better domestic standards, which is a bare minimum considering the churn India might go through rather soon. But what is equally, if not more, important is the urgent need to evaluate and reform our feeder setups much of which are in shambles (as much as the BCCI will deny this) and focus a bit more on streamlining our talent scouting and development mechanisms, so that in years to come, the pipeline wonÃÕ dry out. ..

[Prakat]

@OP yes. :hysterical: