EnterTheVoid Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 ^^ When I went over for a visit, I wanted to buy my female cousin some western clothes which I thought would look good on her - clothes that she can wear to college, to movies, restaurants etc. Decided against it in the end. No way would I want her to get "eve - teased" (sexual harassment/assault if you use the correct language) and have her self esteem and independence shattered. A lot of liberties that are taken for granted in the west, India is still in the stone age trying to accept them. GoldenSun 1
NeutralCat Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Yes but sree how can we change things in India? It going to be a huge battle to change these stone age attitudes towards women, I thought it was only the Arab country's with these sort of attitudes, but I am disappointed that in India it is also the same. GoldenSun 1
EnterTheVoid Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 The Arab countries are even worse. Maybe Dubai is an exception but in general, women don't bother coming out unless they are wearing a burqa.
NeutralCat Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Yeah I agree with you there sree 100% the Arab/Muslime countries are a blight on the 21st century. It's sad that women have to suffer so much in those countries, but isn't that also true about India? I mean women don;t suffer as much in India but women in India still aren't give equal rights, like I said I know things are changing but are they changing too slowly?
surajmal Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Until the 1960s, west was no better than current India with regards to attitude towards women. So India is about 50 years behind the west with regards to change in men's attitude towards women (wouldn't call them rights because Indian women have the same rights as men). And I can live with that disparity since India is maybe 100 years, economically speaking, behind the west.
NeutralCat Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 But Suraj, does that mean we should tolerate the treatment of women in India? Turn a blind eye, just because India is 50 years behind in women's rights? India is the youngest country in the world, don't you think it's up to the young people to push hard for change and to attitudes towards women?
surajmal Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 But Suraj, does that mean we should tolerate the treatment of women in India? Turn a blind eye, just because India is 50 years behind in women's rights? India is the youngest country in the world, don't you think it's up to the young people to push hard for change and to attitudes towards women? India isn't behind in terms of women's rights, it is behind in terms of attitudes and that can only occur organically. Once the oldies die out, you'll see the change. I think the younger generation realizes their responsibilities (compared to the past generations) far better. IMHO, the generation born around and right after Independence became a cancer to this nation in more ways than one (and they have all the power right now). Hopefully my generation will not fall into the traps set by these people.
NeutralCat Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Yes you are right, the attitudes of the people need to be changed, but that will take time and education.
Mariyam Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 We are not any more sensitive than any other people in the world. The problem is - while growing up' date=' we donÃÕ get exposed to nearly as much as humor, irony and sarcasm as some of the folks in the west. But with increased internet access and cable penetration, things are changing fast.[/quote'] Completely disagree. Its not that we are not exposed to enough humour/sarcasm/wit/irony etc, but our generation has a unique dilemma. We grow up speaking our respective mother tongues, but we study and eventually think in English. The resulting semantic gap affects our ability to be articulate, especially in non professional situation. And these situations are the ones that generally call for light hearted banter/jokes. I think internet or cable penetration is just a medium. Some of the funniest authors I've read, had no access to either-> Oscar Wilde, PG Wodehouse were products of the no nonsense hard nosed Victorian society.
NeutralCat Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Yes I loved reading Oscar Wilde, and as you said he was part of a ultra strict Victorian culture.
punjabi_khota Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Completely disagree. Its not that we are not exposed to enough humour/sarcasm/wit/irony etc, but our generation has a unique dilemma. We grow up speaking our respective mother tongues, but we study and eventually think in English. The resulting semantic gap affects our ability to be articulate, especially in non professional situation. And these situations are the ones that generally call for light hearted banter/jokes. :WTF: So the generation before us, which did everything in the mother tongue was more humorous, witty, and ok with criticism than we are :dontknow: I certainly don't think so. In fact, our desi society struggles to take a joke overall, with ****ers burning down stuff everytime someone makes a joke at their expense. The only reason we don't have an equivalent of a daily show or a letterman or hell a south park is that such a show wouldn't survive one week, and a trillion PILs will be filed claiming insult to the great indian culture.
flamy Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Completely disagree. Its not that we are not exposed to enough humour/sarcasm/wit/irony etc, but our generation has a unique dilemma. We grow up speaking our respective mother tongues, but we study and eventually think in English. The resulting semantic gap affects our ability to be articulate, especially in non professional situation. And these situations are the ones that generally call for light hearted banter/jokes. I think internet or cable penetration is just a medium. Some of the funniest authors I've read, had no access to either-> Oscar Wilde, PG Wodehouse were products of the no nonsense hard nosed Victorian society. What? I don't see what "semantic gap" you are talking about. Getting a little pedantic, are we? You don't need language for humor.
Mariyam Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 :WTF: So the generation before us, which did everything in the mother tongue was more humorous, witty, and ok with criticism than we are :dontknow: I certainly don't think so. In fact, our desi society struggles to take a joke overall, with ****ers burning down stuff everytime someone makes a joke at their expense. The only reason we don't have an equivalent of a daily show or a letterman or hell a south park is that such a show wouldn't survive one week, and a trillion PILs will be filed claiming insult to the great indian culture. Yes, IMO, the generation before us was more humorous/witty than we are. And the generation after us will be too, because they won't have this language confusion. Why are you mixing humour with us as a society getting offended at the drop of a hat. People can find a joke funny and get offended by it at the same time. :D The two are not mutually exclusive. I'm not even making a case for us being open to criticism. Case in point, take for example, the Times of India. Read stuff Jug Suraiiya writes and compare that to what Chetan Bhagat writes (they cover similar topics). This is not just a one off example, but I find Jug Suraiya genuinely funny. Same is the case with Inquilab. I find the stuff that the oldies were funnier, even on topics which were controversial. Repeat the exercise for some other newspaper and tell me what you observe. What? I don't see what "semantic gap" you are talking about. Getting a little pedantic, are we? You don't need language for humor. Not at all. You don't need language for humour??? Then what do you need?
flamy Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Not at all. You don't need language for humour??? Then what do you need? Humour :D A certain bloke by the name of Chaplin got most of his work done without having to resort to words.
Mariyam Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Humour :D A certain bloke by the name of Chaplin got most of his work done without having to resort to words. Touche :hatsoff:
punjabi_khota Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 We don't need to go so far back. Rowan Atkinson ftw
jf1gp_1 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Ask Americans if they can take any criticism of their own. Most people are defensive in nature' date=' IMO.[/quote'] as so many have already pointed out no one irrespective of nationality is up for criticizam from an outsider the only problem with us is we cant laugh at ourselves. A few days back at work someone played the promo of the movie the dictator and it opens up with ' america birthplace of AIDS' (watch the promo and you will get the joke) all the americans around me laughed at that joke, now imagine akshay kumar movie opening with 'India country of beggers' irrespective of how that joke is setup doubt it will go down well with people including me.
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