India vs England 2012

[saket123]

If wickets are so flat in India' date=' why do Aussies and England team struggle here ? The pitches in India offer turn, so they are not flat. They are good for spinners. Just because they are not good for seam bowlers, doesnt mean they are flat. Know the difference.[/quote'] actually no.. our flat tracks are not that good for spinners either.. Spin friendly pitches in India are the ones that have dried up extensively and with plethora of cracks... It has nothing to do with quality of the pitch. Aussies and England don't really struggle in India as we do in their countries.. We manage to OUTSHINE them with our brute batting line up.. It's not like we completely dominate them here either for the most part. The Stats will prove that too. Anyway.. read this article.. http://sports.ndtv.com/ind-aus-2011/news/item/183178-india-must-prove-they-arent-flat-track-bullies-oz-media "" India's easy run on placid sub-continent pitches as protecting ageing maestros such as and VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid, emerging number six Virat Kohli and opener Gautam Gambhir."" I can't disagree with that in all honesty.

[Forever Indian]

actually no.. our flat tracks are not that good for spinners either.. Spin friendly pitches in India are the ones that have dried up extensively and with plethora of cracks... It has nothing to do with quality of the pitch. Aussies and England don't really struggle in India as we do in their countries.. We manage to OUTSHINE them with our brute batting line up.. It's not like we completely dominate them here either for the most part. The Stats will prove that too. Anyway.. read this article.. http://sports.ndtv.com/ind-aus-2011/news/item/183178-india-must-prove-they-arent-flat-track-bullies-oz-media "" India's easy run on placid sub-continent pitches as protecting ageing maestros such as and VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid, emerging number six Virat Kohli and opener Gautam Gambhir."" I can't disagree with that in all honesty.

May I remind you of the Perth victory, considered to the bounciest wicket on the planet.

[saket123]

May I remind you of the Perth victory' date=' considered to the bounciest wicket on the planet.[/quote'] once in a while we do win.. just about barely.. But the 8-0 loss has completely wiped our slate clean of any victories in the last 5 years abroad imo. We won that game in Perth in 2008.. and before that..we won a game in 2003 in Adelaide. .. and before that it was 1981!! Here is another stat. Opening pairs from the subcontinent in Aus, Eng, SA, NZ since 2000 (Qual: 10 innings) Pair Innings Runs Ave stand 100/ 50 stands Imrul Kayes-Tamim Iqbal 10 569 56.90 2/ 2 Imran Farhat-Salman Butt 24 855 35.62 2/ 5 Gautam Gambhir-Virender Sehwag 19 522 27.47 1/ 1 Marvan Atapattu-Sanath Jayasuriya 18 386 22.70 0/ 2 Wasim Jaffer-Virender Sehwag 11 230 20.90 0/ 2 So while Gambhir boasts to the media about him and Viru being the best because they average 50+.. He seems to forget their average less than 30 abroad.

[Forever Indian]

once in a while we do win.. just about barely.. But the 8-0 loss has completely wiped our slate clean of any victories in the last 5 years abroad imo. Here is another stat. Opening pairs from the subcontinent in Aus, Eng, SA, NZ since 2000 (Qual: 10 innings) Pair Innings Runs Ave stand 100/ 50 stands Imrul Kayes-Tamim Iqbal 10 569 56.90 2/ 2 Imran Farhat-Salman Butt 24 855 35.62 2/ 5 Gautam Gambhir-Virender Sehwag 19 522 27.47 1/ 1 Marvan Atapattu-Sanath Jayasuriya 18 386 22.70 0/ 2 Wasim Jaffer-Virender Sehwag 11 230 20.90 0/ 2 So while Gambhir boasts to the media about him and Viru being the best because they average 50+.. He seems to forget their average less than 30 abroad.

Wow, impressed with Imrul and Iqbal's stats :hatsoff: India has always had problems with the opening pair, but had still won a lot of matches and series abroad due to an in form middle order. The lack of form of this famous middle order was the main reason for the 8-0 loss. Although I should also say that Viru-Gambhir should have spent more time in the middle.

[kubrickian]

Aussies and England don't really struggle in India as we do in their countries.. We manage to OUTSHINE them with our brute batting line up.. It's not like we completely dominate them here either for the most part. The Stats will prove that too.

Rubbish. Aussies and England have always struggled in India. Before the 8-0 result, India has done well in Australia and England recently. In 2004, India drew against Steve Waugh's Aussies 1-1 which is considered one of the greatest teams to play cricket. They also won the Perth test in 2008 and the Sydney test should have ended in a draw if it was not for poor umpiring, so that series should have also been a draw. India also won the previous test series against England 1-0 in 2007. Not to mention, winning all their test series in New Zealand, West Indies, Pakistan and drawing their last test series in South Africa 1-1 in 2010. Indian test team has done way better than other teams have done in India in the recent past and deservedly were Number 1 in test rankings. Know your facts before you go on and on about India being poor travelers.

[saket123]

Know your facts before you go on and on about India being poor travelers.

I do know my facts.. but do you?? In the last 6 years... (hopefully that fits in your definition of "recent")... Ind vs SA/ENG/AUS 1. Playing in the host nation (not in India). ODIs.. 31 Matches.. 9 won by India... 19 Lost.. Ratio is 0.29 for India Tests.. 21 Matches.. 4 Won by India.. 13 Lost.. 4 Draws.. Ratio is 0.19 for India 2. The above teams while playing in India.. ODIs... 42 Matches.. 26 Won by India.. 14 Lost.. Ratio is 0.34 for Others Tests.. 18 Matches.. 9 Won by India.. 3 Lost.. 6 Draws.... Ratio is 0.17 for others.. So in comparing the numbers for Test Matches.. .. Others have done only slightly worse than India.. while playing in India .. (0.17 for others vs 0.19 for India.) India ODI India has done much worse playing abroad than others who played in India.. (0.29 for India vs 0.34 for others) So my statement is Valid... It's not like we totally dominated others when they played us here at home... and your statement is wrong.. others' haven't really "struggled"..or gotten themselves totally dominated while playing against us in India.. LIke I said.. we do win here at home.. which is why we are FTBs... but at the same time we've gotten our asses whopped abroad for the most part.

[Clarke]

Yes ofcourse, else we shall end up being Dhobi ka Kutta - na ghar ka, na ghaat ka.

[Rohit S. Ambani]

Vintage Sachin is Back ! Following quoted text was my reaction to New age Sachin -

Is he Sachin Tendulkar? What happened to his voice pitch, hair style, clothing sense etc etc. He has weird hand eye coordination while talking now. I have never seen him moving so much while talking. He looks so fragile, unhealthy. Even his skin has taken beating, he was fairly light wheatish and baby faced not so long ago. Something weird happened with him, he never grows beard anymore. Both stubble and goatee looked fine on him. Man I loved those curly hair.

But now seems his mid life crisis has ended, he has started to score runs aggressively too It's time to celebrate, Sachin is back! :hatsoff:

[King Tendulkar]

Thank god he got rid of that terrible hairstyle and looks back to looking like sachin we know. Going back to how sachin is meant to look will be reason he fires against england:two_thumbs_up:

[kubrickian]

I just hope he plays his natural game and plays attacking cricket. He is still way better than any batsman in the world.

[vamos_rafa]

I just hope he plays his natural game and plays attacking cricket. He is still way better than any batsman in the world.

He did that till the sydney test. The blip has been there for the last 4 tests.

[Sachinism]

Graeme Swann flies home from tour

Graeme Swann, England's premier spinner, has flown home ahead of the final tour match against Haryana to spend time with his daughter who is unwell. He is expected to return before the first Test on November 15. "This is a personal matter and we would ask for everyone to give Graeme and his family privacy. We will not be making any further comment at this time," the ECB said in a statement. The development means England will be without three of their first choice four-man attack in the final warm-up match ahead of the first Test against India with Stuart Broad and Steven Finn both suffering from injury. More to follow...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/590273.html

[namasteji1]

Graeme Swann is a big mystery now!! Lol :P

[CoverDrive]

hope everything is fine soon

[namasteji1]

England to recall Ashley Giles? Lol, they really don't have many bowlers for the tour game vs Haryana.

[Laaloo]

Rubbish. Aussies and England have always struggled in India. Before the 8-0 result, India has done well in Australia and England recently. In 2004, India drew against Steve Waugh's Aussies 1-1 which is considered one of the greatest teams to play cricket.

That team we played wasn't anywhere close to being the greatest teams to play Cricket. No Mcgrath and no Warne.

They also won the Perth test in 2008 and the Sydney test should have ended in a draw if it was not for poor umpiring, so that series should have also been a draw.

Agrees

India also won the previous test series against England 1-0 in 2007.

Should have been 1-1 draw if Sreesanth was given out on a plumb LBW last day at Lords.

Not to mention, winning all their test series in New Zealand, West Indies, Pakistan and drawing their last test series in South Africa 1-1 in 2010.

Agreed

[Crookbond]

He will be back before the first Test match.

[Feed]

Re-laid Motera pitch could be to India's advantage In layman’s terms, what this does is make the pitch-block more amenable to wear and tear, bringing the spinners into play earlier than before. What it’s also likely to do is make the surface more abrasive, bringing reverse swing too into the picture. More... Re-laid Motera pitch could be to India’s advantage Wisden India staff · Nov 8, 2012 · Even before the first ball of England’s Test series against India has been bowled, the strategising has reached fever pitch. India’s players, remember, have not yet begun their three-day camp ahead of the series, and will just be assembling in Mumbai to meet each other and sort out what needs to be done to erase the memories of the 4-0 result they were at the wrong end of in England last year. Already, there have been many mini skirmishes off the field. To start with, the Indian selectors fielded an India A team that did not include a single specialist spinner, on a beauty of a batting pitch that ensured that even the seam quartet of Ashok Dinda, Vinay Kumar, Parvinder Awana and Irfan Pathan had little say. For the second warm-up match, the Board of Control for Cricket in India put up a Mumbai A team – and to be fair they had little choice here, with all the premier cricketers being involved in the first round of Ranji Trophy matches – that included Shikhar Dhawan and Cheteshwar Pujara. So, while a potential reserve opener and a newly bedded-down Test No. 3 got some game time against a quality attack, they gave little away. Mumbai A went to extent of leaving out Sagar Goriwale, the lone specialist spinner in the squad, even after Balwinder Singh Sandhu Jr., the medium-pacer, was taken ill on the morning of the game. This meant that England played a second-string team that had only three specialist bowlers. When the Indian squad for the series was announced, Harbhajan Singh was back in the mix despite having achieved little in his one year out of the Test side, giving a clear indication of the kind of pitches England could hope to play on when the Tests began. The only issue here, however, was that at least two of the four venues where the Tests will be played – Ahmedabad and Nagpur – have never been rank turners or under-prepared surfaces. Rather, they have been slow pitches that took turn late, and even then without much menace. The reason for this was that both venues have been conscious of the challenges the harsh sun can pose in those conditions, necessitating a high percentage of clay content in the block that comprises the square. That, however, has already changed in Ahmedabad, if sources are to be believed. Wisden India has learned that the pitch at Motera has been re-laid, specifically to ensure that the elements are allowed to play a part in natural wear and tear. Until recently, the primary constituent of the pitch block was pond clay, which had a clay content that was in the range of 70-80%. This meant that the block held together remarkably well, breaking up in only the most extreme circumstances. What the Gujarat Cricket Association has done, however, is to reduce the clay content in the block to something approaching 55%, using farm-land clay rather than pond clay, and mixing it with 35% sand content. This process was begun in early September, soon after a BCCI conclave on pitch preparation. In layman’s terms, what this does is make the pitch-block more amenable to wear and tear, bringing the spinners into play earlier than before. What it’s also likely to do is make the surface more abrasive, bringing reverse swing too into the picture. While the move to give spinners a bigger say in the game will be welcomed by the Indian team, whose recent home wins against the West Indies and New Zealand have been powered by the R Ashwin-Pragyan Ojha duo, they will be the first to know that pitch preparation is an inexact science. In theory, the pitch should play to India’s strengths, but it’s never easy to predict how a re-laid pitch will behave. The four-day warm-up match between England and Haryana will be played on the B Ground at Motera on a pitch that has plenty of live grass on it. The net bowlers who gave Kevin Pietersen a workout on Wednesday, who play almost all their cricket at the B Ground, told Wisden India they had never seen such a green pitch anywhere in Gujarat before this game. Andy Flower, England’s team director, had a look at the B Ground pitch, but was yet to examine the surface on which the Test would be played. Dhiraj Parsana, the former allrounder who was a Ranji stalwart but played only two Tests for India and is in charge of pitch preparation at Motera, declined to speak to the media.

[Crookbond]

Re-laid Motera pitch could be to India’s advantage http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-article/re-laid-motera-pitch-indias-advantage/34067?single_col_view=true

The only issue here, however, was that at least two of the four venues where the Tests will be played – Ahmedabad and Nagpur – have never been rank turners or under-prepared surfaces. Rather, they have been slow pitches that took turn late, and even then without much menace. The reason for this was that both venues have been conscious of the challenges the harsh sun can pose in those conditions, necessitating a high percentage of clay content in the block that comprises the square. That, however, has already changed in Ahmedabad, if sources are to be believed. Wisden India has learned that the pitch at Motera has been re-laid, specifically to ensure that the elements are allowed to play a part in natural wear and tear. Until recently, the primary constituent of the pitch block was pond clay, which had a clay content that was in the range of 70-80%. This meant that the block held together remarkably well, breaking up in only the most extreme circumstances. What the Gujarat Cricket Association has done, however, is to reduce the clay content in the block to something approaching 55%, using farm-land clay rather than pond clay, and mixing it with 35% sand content. This process was begun in early September, soon after a BCCI conclave on pitch preparation. In layman’s terms, what this does is make the pitch-block more amenable to wear and tear, bringing the spinners into play earlier than before. What it’s also likely to do is make the surface more abrasive, bringing reverse swing too into the picture. While the move to give spinners a bigger say in the game will be welcomed by the Indian team, whose recent home wins against the West Indies and New Zealand have been powered by the R Ashwin-Pragyan Ojha duo, they will be the first to know that pitch preparation is an inexact science. In theory, the pitch should play to India’s strengths, but it’s never easy to predict how a re-laid pitch will behave.

[Tridibans_16]

Re-laid Motera pitch could be to IndiaÃÔ advantage http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-article/re-laid-motera-pitch-indias-advantage/34067?single_col_view=true

Is it true that Motera has been a bad venue for us? Haven't checked the stats yet but if I remember correctly we did lose couple of matches there, isn't it?