yoda Posted April 5, 2012 Posted April 5, 2012 These really 'neutral' guys IMO are much' date=' much worse than bhakts. At least bhakts are driven by their liking for a player, these guys are driven by hate. [/quote'] Well on one side there may be hate for one player, but on the other side there is hate for everyone else, be it Bradman, Richards, Gavaskar or Dravid. :winky:
Cricketics Posted April 5, 2012 Posted April 5, 2012 When Sehwag entered test arena in 2001, is when our success as test team changed. You can say, it started changing over seas. From no victory in 1996 tour, to a series draw in England in 02. than iN Australia in 2004 Sehwag is the best thing happend to Indian test cricket since the last decade. Had he done well in recent tours to england and Australia, story could have been different. He didn't perform well and you see the amount of difference it made in teh result.
Lurker Posted April 5, 2012 Posted April 5, 2012 Can see the 'neutral' fans taking this moment to take pot-shots at Sachin and his fans now. These really 'neutral' guys IMO are much, much worse than bhakts. At least bhakts are driven by their liking for a player, these guys are driven by hate. If they were really better than bhakts, they would have walked away from this, but no, they dont miss one opportunity to take cheap pot-shots and bring the general flavour of the forum down. Has been happening once too often nowadays. Am slowly avoiding this forum more and more for this reason Hope come these all knowing neutral fans who are not driven by blind love of Sachin did not make this thread before the OP did? Why are they acting as they were aware all along? Was that all MTC. :giggle:
Laaloo Posted April 5, 2012 Posted April 5, 2012 Can see the 'neutral' fans taking this moment to take pot-shots at Sachin and his fans now. These really 'neutral' guys IMO are much, much worse than bhakts. At least bhakts are driven by their liking for a player, these guys are driven by hate. If they were really better than bhakts, they would have walked away from this, but no, they dont miss one opportunity to take cheap pot-shots and bring the general flavour of the forum down. Has been happening once too often nowadays. Am slowly avoiding this forum more and more for this reason Hope come these all knowing neutral fans who are not driven by blind love of Sachin did not make this thread before the OP did? Why are they acting as they were aware all along? :mama:
The Outsider Posted April 5, 2012 Posted April 5, 2012 Can see the 'neutral' fans taking this moment to take pot-shots at Sachin and his fans now. These really 'neutral' guys IMO are much, much worse than bhakts. At least bhakts are driven by their liking for a player, these guys are driven by hate. If they were really better than bhakts, they would have walked away from this, but no, they dont miss one opportunity to take cheap pot-shots and bring the general flavour of the forum down. Has been happening once too often nowadays. Am slowly avoiding this forum more and more for this reason Hope come these all knowing neutral fans who are not driven by blind love of Sachin did not make this thread before the OP did? Why are they acting as they were aware all along? :whine: Suppose you'll be happier in a setting giving high fives to people who perpetrate the myth that Tendulkar was a one man army in the 90s.
Lurker Posted April 5, 2012 Posted April 5, 2012 When Sehwag entered test arena in 2001, is when our success as test team changed. You can say, it started changing over seas. From no victory in 1996 tour, to a series draw in England in 02. than iN Australia in 2004 Sehwag is the best thing happend to Indian test cricket since the last decade. Had he done well in recent tours to england and Australia, story could have been different. He didn't perform well and you see the amount of difference it made in teh result. Dhondy used to mention that pretty often. Although I am not 100% convinced Sehwag did go a long way in taking us to next level. From a team of strong batsmen we became the stellar batting side in the world and thats saying something when Australian batting lineup was pretty phenomenal. I cant resist, so here goes... [bhakt mode on] "Neutral" fans come out to take a shot at Sachin by celebrating Sehwag. Haters. [bhakt mode off]
CG Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 :whine: Suppose you'll be happier in a setting giving high fives to people who perpetrate the myth that Tendulkar was a one man army in the 90s. In late 1990's india became more dependant on sachin.
saneindian Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 Away Tests we could/should have won in the 90s A discussion in another thread took me back to the 90s when we struggled to win a single away test outside Asia. But if you look back at some of the tests starting right from the Eng tour of '90, there were so many occasions we came close to a win but couldn't quite finish it well. The Sydney test on '91 tour of Australia, but for rain washing out nearly an entire day on day 4, we could easily have won there. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63565.html Or the Last test of that series at Adelaide where the Azhar-Prabhakar partnership nearly took us home, but the lower order blew it. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63566.html On the 1996 tour of SA, the last test at Jo'Burg, where we were a couple of wickets away from a win but persistent rain on Day 5 denied us a win. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63738.html Then there is that Bridgetown test of '97 WI tour :(( Perhaps the worst moment as a fan. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63747.html Then there was that disaster in Zimbabwe in '98 when we could not chase 235 against a modest Zimbabwe attack, though on a pitch that seamed and aided a lot of swing on all days. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63813.html The Wellington test on the 98 tour of NZ where Azhar (1st innings) and Sachin (2nd innings) made classic 100s on a green seaming pitch, but we were thwarted by the Kiwis lower order both in 1st and 2nd innings and with a better 4th bowler could have won. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63826.html The common factor in all these losses/draws was the lack of a potent 3rd seamer in our attack. Invariably, we would have the opposition at 100-4 or 5 but the lower order would take them to 300+ scores and then we would lose it from there. Would also add the Chennai and Kolkata tests vs Pakistan in 1999 to this list as the tests we should have won. Looking back at all these, the 90s were surely the decade of near misses for our team.
ganeshran Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 During the first half of the decade, our batting was okish with the exception of SRT and our bowling was pedestrian. There is no team which has consistently done well abroad with a mediocre bowling attack and India is no exception. Kapil, Kumble, Srinath and whomsever played a decent number of abroad matches in the 90s averaged 35+. Only after the arrival of Dravid and Ganguly in 96 did the batting start to become solid. Laxman had yet not found his groove and was averaging in the mid 20s in the latter half of the decade.
ganeshran Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 Bridgetown was the most disappointing one. All we needed was 120 :wall:
Raghav_12 Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 A discussion in another thread took me back to the 90s when we struggled to win a single away test outside Asia. But if you look back at some of the tests starting right from the Eng tour of '90, there were so many occasions we came close to a win but couldn't quite finish it well. The Sydney test on '91 tour of Australia, but for rain washing out nearly an entire day on day 4, we could easily have won there. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63565.html Or the Last test of that series at Adelaide where the Azhar-Prabhakar partnership nearly took us home, but the lower order blew it. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63566.html On the 1996 tour of SA, the last test at Jo'Burg, where we were a couple of wickets away from a win but persistent rain on Day 5 denied us a win. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63738.html Then there is that Bridgetown test of '97 WI tour :(( Perhaps the worst moment as a fan. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63747.html Then there was that disaster in Zimbabwe in '98 when we could not chase 235 against a modest Zimbabwe attack, though on a pitch that seamed and aided a lot of swing on all days. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63813.html The Wellington test on the 98 tour of NZ where Azhar (1st innings) and Sachin (2nd innings) made classic 100s on a green seaming pitch, but we were thwarted by the Kiwis lower order both in 1st and 2nd innings and with a better 4th bowler could have won. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63826.html The common factor in all these losses/draws was the lack of a potent 3rd seamer in our attack. Invariably, we would have the opposition at 100-4 or 5 but the lower order would take them to 300+ scores and then we would lose it from there. Would also add the Chennai and Kolkata tests vs Pakistan in 1999 to this list as the tests we should have won. Looking back at all these, the 90s were surely the decade of near misses for our team. Well I won't agree with this near misses thing. Even if we had converted these near misses, our record would have improved to mediocre from abysmal. We would still have lost Aus and SA tours. NZ wasn't really a case of near miss, after all we had set up a target of just 213 runs and there was nothing near miss about loss to Zim. But I would agree that with some luck we could have opened account of winning test matches.
Raghav_12 Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 Bridgetown was the most disappointing one. All we needed was 120 :wall: that still rankles man.. Bridgetown and Chennai are two defeats from 90's which almost brought tears to my eyes (as a kid you tend to be more sentimental).
ganeshran Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 that still rankles man.. Bridgetown and Chennai are two defeats from 90's which almost brought tears to my eyes (as a kid you tend to be more sentimental). In Chennai I had given up hope at 136 for 5 with the 2 Ws and Saqlain bowling, but in Bridgetown I was extremely hopeful (never having seen an Indian overseas win before). Epic KLPD :((
adi B Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 indian team had a losers mentality abroad in the 90`s, which did change in the last decade, but now again, we are thrashed easily, only thing that can bring us back on track in abroad is 2 genuine quickies... yadav nd aaron are the big hopes at least for me, hope they develop into dangerous world class fast bowler nd 1st of all, hope they get picked
Sehwag1830 Posted April 6, 2012 Author Posted April 6, 2012 Why was the thread title changed ? How is it remotely connected ?
Crookbond Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 Not just the 90s there were many Test matches which we should have won even in the 2000s too. None more than this game - http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63935.html Zimbabwe with the help of Andy Blignaut kept on bowling an outside off stump line and our great batsmen kept on succumbing to it. From 150/2 to 234 all out. :facepalm:
Crookbond Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 We were almost the same if not worse today than we were back in the 90s. The only advantage we had in the 2000s was that we had started winning outside the subcontinent starting from the Ganguly era. But we are now back to basics and are starting to lose outside the sub-continent consistently yet again. So' date= we are back to square one. Perhaps our bowling were still better in the 90s compared to today. We had the Kumbles and the Srinaths who were at least consistent than the bowlers we have now. Even Prasad etc. were not that bad. And our spinners were quite good in those days whereas we hardly have any decent world class spinner left nowadays. Under Ganguly we were not good in ODI series even in the sub-continent, just to give a perspective. In Test matches, Rahul Dravid has a Bradmenesque average of over 100 under Sourav Ganguly in the 21 Test matches with 9 hundreds, 3 double centuries and he contributed 23% of the runs of the team in that period. Nothing to take away from Ganguly but lets be fair in taking stock of things.
Sehwag1830 Posted April 7, 2012 Author Posted April 7, 2012 I think every great Indian cricketer has the fortune of playing in no.1 team for atleast 1 month 1. Gavaskar=1980 2. Kapil=1980 3. Kumble,Sachin=1995 4.Sehwag,Dravid=2010 5.Bedi=1974
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