Malcolm Merlyn Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Hafeez Last warning for you.Stop derailing this thread.If you want to discuss Pakistani bowlers open a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vishalvirsingh Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Sid Kaul bowled between 130 to 139.1 And most of his balls were 134 , 135 or 136K Hope this helps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 People were saying you need pace like Ishant and Yadav to be good at death bowling and slow bowlers like PK and BK will never be good at death. This IPL has proved them wrong, PK and BK have been pretty good at death overs with very controlled bowling. They are clearly working on it, i haven't seen either going more than 12 even in the 19th or 20th overs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 People were saying you need pace like Ishant and Yadav to be good at death bowling and slow bowlers like PK and BK will never be good at death. This IPL has proved them wrong' date=' PK and BK have been pretty good at death overs with very controlled bowling. They are clearly working on it, i haven't seen either going more than 12 even in the 19th or 20th overs[/quote'] It is all about skills, control, and brain. This has been a big long problem with Indian bowlers. If they have skills, they lack pace and if they have pace, they lack skills and brain to use that pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Sid Kaul bowled between 130 to 139.1 And most of his balls were 134 , 135 or 136K Hope this helps.... Thanks. :nice: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 People were saying you need pace like Ishant and Yadav to be good at death bowling and slow bowlers like PK and BK will never be good at death. This IPL has proved them wrong' date=' PK and BK have been pretty good at death overs with very controlled bowling. They are clearly working on it, i haven't seen either going more than 12 even in the 19th or 20th overs[/quote'] Firstly, pace is more important in tests and sometimes in ODIs. In T20s, pace had not been a deciding factor at all. Infact, an inaccurate pacer with pace has almost always been butchered. T20 is literally a very different ball game from the two other forms of cricket because the need to protect ones wicket while batting is almost absent. Secondly, bowling at the death is firstly about bowling yorkers, slower deliveries etc. If length balls are bowled then the bowler is committing suicide. Pace does not help then. Thirdly, BK is not really slow like PK. He has been fast-medium consistently in the IPL whereas PK has been very medium pace. But, whatever the pace, good areas have to be bowled in T20s. Pace is important for taking wickets in situations when batters are trying to protect their wickets. Pace forces them to make mistakes they otherwise would not. In situations where batters are not trying to protect their wickets, like the slog overs of a t20 match, they can always make mistakes whatever the pace, accuracy and bowling according to the situation becomes far more important. In a test, just good line and length bowling won't get wickets and something extra, like pace or bounce or movement , is necessary. Same for lower scoring ODIs. But, in T20s, just line and length is good enough because batsmen are trying to hit every ball and take risks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 lethal irfan(seriously lethal?:haha:) and trundler junaid got their **** whooped by the saffers in the odis,340 odd and 315 odd they conceded :hysterical::hysterical: ..even behardien smacked them and that full sleeved chucker left right centre of the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 lethal irfan(seriously lethal?:haha:) and trundler junaid got their **** whooped by the saffers in the odis' date='340 odd and 315 odd they conceded :hysterical::hysterical: ..even behardien smacked them and that full sleeved chucker left right centre of the ground[/quote'] So, you are saying, Irfan was lethal for his own team. :haha: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 So' date=' you are saying, Irfan was lethal for his own team. :haha:[/quote'] and hence he is lethal irfan :cantstop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 lethal irfan(seriously lethal?:haha:) and trundler junaid got their **** whooped by the saffers in the odis' date='340 odd and 315 odd they conceded :hysterical::hysterical: ..even behardien smacked them and that full sleeved chucker left right centre of the ground[/quote'] Lethal irfan average 14 in odi series, junaid average 29 and ajmal around 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Pace is important for taking wickets in situations when batters are trying to protect their wickets. Pace forces them to make mistakes they otherwise would not. In situations where batters are not trying to protect their wickets, like the slog overs of a t20 match, they can always make mistakes whatever the pace, accuracy and bowling according to the situation becomes far more important. In a test, just good line and length bowling won't get wickets and something extra, like pace or bounce or movement , is necessary. Same for lower scoring ODIs. But, in T20s, just line and length is good enough because batsmen are trying to hit every ball and take risks anyway. The number of times BK and PK take wickets of batsmen who are just trying to defend >>> those by Ishant or Yadav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafeez Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Lethal irfan average 14 in odi series' date=' junaid average 29 and ajmal around 27.[/quote'] :dance: Indian Fan,s are Jealous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Lethal irfan average 14 in odi series' date=' junaid average 29 and ajmal around 27.[/quote'] couldn help the team's cause then whats the use ? :cantstop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The number of times BK and PK take wickets of batsmen who are just trying to defend >>> those by Ishant or Yadav If you had read carefully, I have said that," just line and length bowling is not enough in tests, something extra is required, like extrs pace or extra bounce or MOVEMENT ". BK and PK get batters out defending when they are getting MOVEMENT. BK skids the ball off the pitch, in addition to movement, and that hurries batsmen a lot too. Problem is, the ball does not always move, especially in India. Ishant is just a bad bowler and does not get enough wickets, defending or otherwise. Umesh has got such wickets in tests often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Lethal irfan average 14 in odi series' date=' junaid average 29 and ajmal around 27.[/quote'] these avg>>ur teams batting avg :cantstop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 couldn help the team's cause then whats the use ? :cantstop: lethal irfan and junaid win pak 2 odis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 lethal irfan and junaid win pak 2 odis. you dont win the series and cup for those 2 matches :giggle: they din when you matches when it really mattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLICKR392 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Lethal irfan average 14 in odi series' date=' junaid average 29 and ajmal around 27.[/quote'] No on cares and stop posting Pak speeds and averages on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vishalvirsingh Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 139.1 by Abu Nachim in this Over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 No on cares and stop posting Pak speeds and averages on this thread. I have made a diff thread for these posts. :dontknow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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