India's fast bowling resourses for longer format : Who after Zaheer?

[PaceAttack]

Ishant, Umesh, Shammi, Aaron. But feckers would pick, vinay, pk, and dinda.

[Dravid_TheWall]

:cantstop: no i am serious, stop trolling. define talent.

Ok well it's kind of hard to define but a lot of time coaches see something in someone, that shows they will succeed at international level. It's probably based on something innate, natural and not taught. For a batsman, maybe excellent hand eye coordination and range of shots, at a young age. For a bowler, ability to get a lot of swing or spin, get plenty of wickets and trouble the best. You saw how that Deepak Charar (wrong spelling) guy at age 17 got 8 wickets with proper swing. That proved to be something he can't do regularly but you get the point. Talent is something which makes you stand out from your peers and provides an excellent base of success.

[vishalvirsingh]

Akash missed Abu Nachim.....I am Surprised.

[Vilander]

Talent is something which makes you stand out from your peers and provides an excellent base of success.

So its natural ability to play the game with out any training.

[Dravid_TheWall]

So its natural ability to play the game with out any training.

Yeah-something you can't really obtain from hardwork. Natural gift. :hatsoff:

[jj_28]

India's bowling cupboard is empty, not thinly stocked

India's bowling cupboard is empty, not thinly stocked Ishant Sharma's reaction sums up India's morning, Australia v India, 2nd Test, Sydney, 2nd day India's recent team selections have been a lot like the Indian finance minister's recent budget speeches. Much was expected, much was possible, a new road map could have been put in place (as the business channels would have put it) but you got the feeling that, like Pranab Mukherjee, Krishnamachari Srikkanth was saying goodbye too. This was a handover selection, one characterised by leaving the big decisions to someone else. It happens in public life all the time, though, doesn't it? Not taking a stance can be harmful. Teams, like economies, cannot plod along at a barely acceptable rate of growth. If India want to be No. 1 again (and I am assuming that that objective isn't gathering dust somewhere) then you need to take bold steps. Part of that is making a place in the Indian team aspirational, not something that you turn up after a break and find waiting for you. That is why, for all of Ishant Sharma's innate ability, he should have been made to prove that he is ready to play; he ought to have done the hard yards, run through a Ranji Trophy team, and then forced the selectors to look at him. He hasn't played a game for months, has had surgery, and as everyone knows, you don't prove your match fitness by turning up for a couple of practice games. Worse still, how were the selectors convinced that he earns a place even at full fitness? His last year-odd has produced 21 wickets from 11 games at an average of 68 in largely helpful conditions. In terms of experience, with 45 Tests he is now only next to Kapil Dev, Zaheer Khan and Javagal Srinath, and has played more Tests than some of India's greats. The message going out to a young man who is desperately short of fulfilling his undoubted promise is that the team is just waiting for him to be fit and that they really can't do without him. Ishant himself would have been far better served fighting his way back. It's a poor selection. And we haven't even come to Piyush Chawla yet. Chawla had a decent IPL at best, and stumbled when the pressure rose. You would need an advocate of great skill to win his case to be in the T20 side; and, to be honest, he would struggle to find someone to take on the job in the case of Test cricket. As Aakash Chopra - a sane voice India should use more - points out, Chawla took 27 wickets in first class cricket last year at 40.62 per wicket. It is like setting the bar to one metre to pick a high jump team. I don't even remember seeing his name in an India A team recently. If this is the best bowling team India can pick, I would like the BCCI to get into an emergency meeting and appoint detectives to search for bowlers. I had thought all along that India's cupboard was thinly stocked. I can now announce that it is officially bare. There are no bowlers in India. We had anticipated this but didn't think the day would come so quickly. I don't know what is worse, the absence of bowlers in India or the absence of any intent at all in looking for them. I keep coming back to what an organisation's priorities are. The BCCI is a well-evolved, financially savvy body. The IPL, and for that matter most cricket in India, is fairly efficiently organised, and the legal and financial acumen is outstanding. Look how quickly they moved to tackle a huge potential problem with the Deccan Chargers. But there is a major fire raging around Indian cricket and I do not see anyone rushing to do anything about it. There are just no spinners, and the new-ball bowlers, like seasonal flowers, wither away, never to return. If Indian cricket has thrown up Sreesanth, RP Singh, Munaf Patel, Praveen Kumar, Varun Aaron, Ashish Nehra and Parwinder Awana, it means new-ball bowlers exist; but the mortality rates are too high. Currently the only people worried about that seem to be columnists! Indian cricket needs the alacrity shown on issues like television rights and franchise defaults to apply in areas like nurturing bowling as well. Without that, the No. 1 spot will never return. There are many other issues. The A team tours, thoughtful in theory, are being marred by roulette-style selections. I do not believe any country can have more than 25 players capable of playing at the highest level; even that is a stretch. The best 15 should be in the national side and the next 15 on A tours, and it stays that way till someone comes to knock the door down. But there is no pattern at the moment, or if there is, it is a deeply complex code that none of us can crack. By end 2013, India may be without the services of some or all of Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, Zaheer Khan, Virender Sehwag and MS Dhoni. If three of those remain, India should be happy, but it also means that replacement players must start finding their feet around now. Maybe that is for a new set of selectors to do. Whoever they are, I would love to sneak in and look at their notepads for a things-to-do list. I greatly fear I know what I would find on it.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/577651.html I for one thought the India A tour selection was thoughtful, India A should be the next step after a good domestic spell and selection this time around was better than the one that went to WI As for India having a barren FAST bowling cupboard, its not barren its mismanaged in my opinion and if we invest in it a bit more it will be one of the best in cricket Ishant Yadav Aaron Shami these are 4 bowlers who are in their infancy (21-24) as fast bowler with proper guidance and proper management as far as their injuries are concerned they are the pillars around which a new Indian fast bowling team can be build in Test cricket Have to agree wit Harsha Bhogle Indian spin has depleted to alarming levels, Ashwin, Ojha are good spinners but who we do after them? BCCI needs to send out scouts to find the next generation of Indian bowling and find a batch of 10-20 bowlers from all over India and groom them for the future. By grooming I mean give them proper advice, help them out financially so they dont quit cricket midway, look after their physique . We need long term thinking

[Sir_Afridi]

India first gives $ 1 million contracts in corrupt leagues to young fast bowlers after they average in 70s on supporting pitches in Aus and then complain of empty cup boards. Why would any young Indian pacer want to become a test class fast bowler who averages 25 odd?? Whats the incentive to go thru all that hard work?

[saurabhg]

India first gives $ 1 million contracts in corrupt leagues to young fast bowlers ..............

got anything to substantiate the bolded part.... or u r also one of those who says india is blocking water when there's a drought, n then say india released too much water whenever there's a flood in the "land of the pure" :giggle::giggle:

[Crookbond]

India first gives $ 1 million contracts in corrupt leagues to young fast bowlers after they average in 70s on supporting pitches in Aus and then complain of empty cup boards. Why would any young Indian pacer want to become a test class fast bowler who averages 25 odd?? Whats the incentive to go thru all that hard work?

You are a troll but the question you have asked is correct. Unfortunately, money is not the main reason but one of the reasons.

[Sean Bradley]

India first gives $ 1 million contracts in corrupt leagues to young fast bowlers after they average in 70s on supporting pitches in Aus and then complain of empty cup boards. Why would any young Indian pacer want to become a test class fast bowler who averages 25 odd?? Whats the incentive to go thru all that hard work?

Money is not the concern here, but to reply to your troll, if you look at Indian history, how many fast bowlers have we really produced? Kapil, Srinath, Zaheer. But recent past, we have Umesh Yadav, Varun aaron, I still have allot of hopes from Ishant Sharma, then there are likes of Shami Ahmed, Abu Nechim, knocking on the doors. What does Pakistan have? Lone horse Umar Gul? Then what else do you got, Aizaz Cheema? Junaid Khan? Rao Iftikhar? On recent form, we have better bowlers than Pakistan and Srilanka. Disappointed though that they are hugely Underrated just because they are Indians and there's a myth that India Cannot Produce quickies.

[Cricket Tragic]

Incredible how Bhogle still has a job when he writes the same rubbish every Friday.

[jairamesh]

Bowlers are there, but lack of innovative or risk-taking selections is preventing any progress of these fast bowlers. Recent examples from top of my head: -The recent jack selection of only two quicks in the India U19 game on a bouncy track. -Then the selection of Unadakt in that first Test against SA in SA. -Recalling RP Singh mid way through England series. -Dumping Praveen Kumar after being our best Test bowler in England. -The selection of India A team The faux pas of management our fast bowlers is just amateur.

[Trichromatic]

Disappointed though that they are hugely Underrated just because they are Indians and there's a myth that India Cannot Produce quickies.

They are not underrated at all. Sehwag said that the bowling attack we played in Australia was best and we saw what happened to them. Not many bowling unit has performed so badly in a series. Performance was slightly better in England. If anything current Indian bowling attack is overrated on ICF because we think that we have found very talented fast bowlers. Yadav is only bowler who looks decent for test matches. Rest have to still prove themselves in domestic cricket before thinking about tests.

[jj_28]

Any talented bowler who's wants to bowl at his best need to be free from injuries for at least 1 year to find the right rhythm, get in the right frame of mind and have the right coaches around him Recently our bowlers have had none of these All four bowlers I mentioned have the talent to be great bowlers in the next 2-3 years but they need to stay away from injuries, work on their bowling in the domestic circuit and then come back into the Indian team

[Crookbond]

Yadav and Ishant lead future pack - Ian Bishop

Ishant Sharma has been around long enough for most ardent followers to be cognizant of his strengths and weaknesses. He is not yet 24, and can improve. In time, I hope India will have a triumvirate of Ishant, Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron. Yadav possesses a very good seam position – the benefit of a very strong wrist at release – that will allow him to extract movement through the air and off the seam when conditions allow. He can also reverse swing the old ball, a must these days, and is quick through the air. Aaron is another interesting prospect, but I am already starting to wonder if his injuries are too a big concern. I also question whether he is temperamentally as strong as Yadav. What I liked when I saw him against England and the West Indies in 2011 was his ability to swing the ball both ways at pace, both orthodox and reverse. He doesn’t quite generate his pace as easily as Yadav and has a more rigorous and demanding strong-shouldered action. Importantly, he gets over 90 mph at times.

http://www.wisdenindia.com/yadav-and-ishant-lead-future-pack

[GautiMaan]

^ Wasnt he impressed with VRV Singh as well?

[Crookbond]

So, was Donald with Sreesanth. At this level, there are many who "impress" but few who "posess".

[CG]

So, was Donald with Sreesanth. At this level, there are many who "impress" but few who "posess".

Sreesanth has won many matches for india ,Talent is one thing which is acknowledged ,but what can people do if you cannot fulfil your potential.

[gaurav92]

Incredible how Bhogle still has a job when he writes the same rubbish every Friday.

True :haha:

[ShebbySB]

Umesh,Ishant,Aaron,Shami & Awana are my picks too but we need a good left arm quick.Maybe Suyal or Anwar Ahmed will be the answer.