ShoonyaSifar Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, SK_IH said: True and that just proves the point , the team needed more ODI game time rather than these useless T20s looking the WC.Even the TM is using these T20s to check ODI prospects and give game time to WC players.Dont know which genius came up with this itinerary. 7 ODIs would have been a complete overkill. In last couple of years we have tried out many reserve seamers - Khaleel, Unadtkat, Shardul, Chahar, Kaul and Siraj. These are the bowlers getting most chances for India A as well. So its not as if there has been no attempt to expand the pool, sadly not one has had immediate success. Out of them only, Khaleel has put in some good performances and looked like someone TM was backing. Suddenly he is out of favour. We can debate whether Saini, Mavi and Rajpoot should have been given preference over some others, but each of them have had some performances - in IPL (Unadkat, Kaul and Chahar) or for India A (Siraj and Chahar) to get picked for national side. They picked Khaleel on potential alone and could have done so with Mavi as well instead of a Kaul or Chahar who, when given chances did not look like int'l class bowlers and should have been discarded by now. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, express bowling said: I think that the T20Is, so far this year, are being used to test out the fringe players for the 50-over World Cup. They have decided on 3 quicks for the WC ( Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi ). Now they want to decide who the 4th pacer will be. And it seems to be a choice between Umesh, Khaleel and Kaul. And none of these 3 are making them happy. But the question remains ... how will they test out 50 over skills from 20 over matches ? There is a big difference in approach between these 2 formats. Why not try Saini in a couple of ODIs in this series and see where he stands. He has decent 50-over A-team experience now. Not happy, still trying same bowlers. Out if these three, I will still prefer Khaleel. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: 7 ODIs would have been a complete overkill. In last couple of years we have tried out many reserve seamers - Khaleel, Unadtkat, Shardul, Chahar, Kaul and Siraj. These are the bowlers getting most chances for India A as well. So its not as if there has been no attempt to expand the pool, sadly not one has had immediate success. Out of them only, Khaleel has put in some good performances and looked like someone TM was backing. Suddenly he is out of favour. We can debate whether Saini, Mavi and Rajpoot should have been given preference over some others, but each of them have had some performances - in IPL (Unadkat, Kaul and Chahar) or for India A (Siraj and Chahar) to get picked for national side. They picked Khaleel on potential alone and could have done so with Mavi as well instead of a Kaul or Chahar who, when given chances did not look like int'l class bowlers and should have been discarded by now. Siraj played one ODI. Issue is not trying right bowlers. Game for rookies has become very difficult to succeed immediately. You need to give 5-10 games at the minimum. They have wasted several games on kaul, shardul, chahar who are not made for ODIs. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: 7 ODIs would have been a complete overkill. In last couple of years we have tried out many reserve seamers - Khaleel, Unadtkat, Shardul, Chahar, Kaul and Siraj. These are the bowlers getting most chances for India A as well. So its not as if there has been no attempt to expand the pool, sadly not one has had immediate success. Out of them only, Khaleel has put in some good performances and looked like someone TM was backing. Suddenly he is out of favour. We can debate whether Saini, Mavi and Rajpoot should have been given preference over some others, but each of them have had some performances - in IPL (Unadkat, Kaul and Chahar) or for India A (Siraj and Chahar) to get picked for national side. They picked Khaleel on potential alone and could have done so with Mavi as well instead of a Kaul or Chahar who, when given chances did not look like int'l class bowlers and should have been discarded by now. No that would not have been overkill. Also not enough chances were given to prospects.And lot of time was wasted on likes of Shardul and Kaul. Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: Siraj played one ODI. Issue is not trying right bowlers. Game for rookies has become very difficult to succeed immediately. You need to give 5-10 games at the minimum. They have wasted several games on kaul, shardul, chahar who are not made for ODIs. Chahar has played 1 ODI Thakur 5 ODIs Kaul 3 ODIs Out of them it was clear Kaul and Chahar do not belong to ODIs. Only because of WC, they are still being persisted as the TM for some reason seems to be obsessed about not taking any risks with the identified pool of players. IMO Khaleel should have been persisted with. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Chahar has played 1 ODI Thakur 5 ODIs Kaul 3 ODIs Out of them it was clear Kaul and Chahar do not belong to ODIs. Only because of WC, they are still being persisted as the TM for some reason seems to be obsessed about not taking any risks with the identified pool of players. IMO Khaleel should have been persisted with. Khaleel was the biggest disappointment.He is not good enough at the moment and TM rightly moved on Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Khaleel was the biggest disappointment.He is not good enough at the moment and TM rightly moved on Khaleel has done the best of them. How was he biggest disappointment? He is the youngest of them both in age and experience and has the most potential too. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Chahar has played 1 ODI Thakur 5 ODIs Kaul 3 ODIs Out of them it was clear Kaul and Chahar do not belong to ODIs. Only because of WC, they are still being persisted as the TM for some reason seems to be obsessed about not taking any risks with the identified pool of players. IMO Khaleel should have been persisted with. Short bowlers are strict no for LOIs unless you have high pace or great skills. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: Khaleel has done the best of them. How was he biggest disappointment? He is the youngest of them both in age and experience and has the most potential too. Why should he be backed? Because he is a left armer? express bowling 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Why should he be backed? Because he is a left armer? No, because he has shown potential for a 21 year old. You don't discard 20 year olds. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, rkt.india said: No, because he has shown potential for a 21 year old. You don't discard 20 year olds. He has regressed visibly over the course of matches he has played so far. Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Khaleel was the biggest disappointment.He is not good enough at the moment and TM rightly moved on Disappointment yes, but he did not look as out of place as the others. Has put in decent performances - in his initial couple of matches, vs WI, 2nd T20 vs NZ, but was harshly judged on the basis of the last T20 in NZ where 420+ runs were scored. Could he have done better? Of course but IMO we should have given him this series, will take him anyday over Kaul. Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Dil Dil India said: Do you still have TV sets left after SA series? TV sets are only destroyed if they lose to India. Indian govt (pbut) has shown mercy on them by denying mauka mauka.....to destroy their TV sets Link to comment
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