ganeshran Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 This has been tried for a number of years now. Like others said, unless there is an energy efficient way to separate hydrogen and oxygen in water, the whole process consumes energy rather than producing it.
asterix Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 There's a device called Dynamo which can be used to generate energy once the vehicle starts moving and battery supply can be cut off. Battery is only needed to start the process. Strange that you guys don't know that on normal vehicles too battery is not required always for lights and for fuel combustion.
Clarke Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 There's a device called Dynamo which can be used to generate energy once the vehicle starts moving and battery supply can be cut off. Battery is only needed to start the process. Strange that you guys don't know that on normal vehicles too battery is not required always for lights and for fuel combustion. But your car's powering the dynamo that generates the electricity, don't expect it to power your car back symbiotically/efficiently.
asterix Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 But your car's powering the dynamo that generates the electricity' date=' don't expect it to power your car back symbiotically/efficiently.[/quote'] How do you think the modern car runs? You think its the battery which is always burning the fuel? The dynamo generates enough electricity to even charge the battery when the vehicle is in motion. Also the guy said that continuous electric charge is not required for the electrolysis.
Prakat Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 You sort of work in the energy sector IIRC. In your opinion' date=' what's the likelihood of a technological breakthrough that results in a viable mass market solution coming out of a garage ?[/quote'] Not very likely. And even if it started in a garage it would very swiftly have to move to a sophisticated facility to be developed fully. This particular area of research is of great economic and geo-political significance and there will be immense forces acting to move promising developments forward if the early signs are promising.
f.b.m Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Better still if you push a vehicle uphill, it'd easily roll back downhill. Now we just need to find a way to get it up the hill efficiently and we're done.
Texy Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Saudis will NEVER let something like this take off and as most people know...it's very easy to buy loyalty in the subcontinent. Definitely commendable effort but powers vested will never let this be developed, unfortunately for Pakistani citizens, you might just have to wait a few hundred years before this comes to any fruition
DomainK Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 I will wait till it is tested and verified by a reliable third party. It might turn out to be another one like Kaneria's claim of the mysterious "teesra" that the world never got to see.
ganeshran Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Better still if you push a vehicle uphill' date=' it'd easily roll back downhill. Now we just need to find a way to get it up the hill efficiently and we're done.[/quote'] perfect analogy
Roshanrocks Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 The Saudis will give the Pakistani engineer a few million $, the pakistani Govt a few more... and thats the last we will hear of this engine
Baasir Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 The internal combustion engine that we normally use in our cars, electricity generators etc, uses conventional fue gasoline, cng or any other hydrocarbon with small chain structure, what engine burns actually inside it is hydrogen when we burn hydrocarbons it simply burns hydrogen making water and carbon dioxide which are recived by environment from engine via emmision pipe, so why burn hydrocarbons? ,, we can burn hydrogen instead to make exhaust free from carbon contents, the answers is we can,,, it it has been done by bmw in their hydrogen 7 model, i am not going in details of hydrogen 7 , you may google it to learn more, coming back to the discussion is water powered car is possible,, allow me to correct our illiterate media and stupid scientists who call this car water powered instead it should be called hydrogen powered, since your not injecting water into engine your just ejecting hydrogen,, so is it possible to run such cars on daily basis?? the answer is a big NOOOOOOOOOO... why is that? the reason behind this can be explained with some chemistry and engineering reasoning,, first where do you get hydrogen from??? from hydrogen fuel cell which uses electricity to separate brown gas (hho) and oxygen, as this separation process is endothermic so it absorbs energy and when we burn this separated brown's gas in IC engine, it combines it with oxygen which is exothermic process, and as an engineering student i can say it with confidence that the enregy absobed by in ths process and then released can never be equal, and it would be impossible to say that the energy released by it is greater than absorbed,, we have one specific term for this type of concept called preptual motion machine,, meaning the efficiency is greater than 100%... so if this is not possible to do it in daily life, than why America is spending billions of dollars on research based on fuel cells?? the answer is that the are trying to make a efficient hybrid using gasoline and hydrogen both in one car, now a little info about hydrogen hybird cars, hydrogen hybird cars are those which use hydrogen and conventional gasoline to power the engine, as mater of fact when the gasoline enters the IC engine it does not burns completely which results in great loss of fossil fuels, engineers and scientist from time to time have been devolping techniques to increase the fuel burning capacity of IC engines, they came up with idea of hydrogen hybird, which stats as if we inject hydrogen in a particular proportion to gasoline it can burn very efficiently increasing mileage upto 50%, becasue hydrogen flame is very efficient and can burn the fuel upto greater extent.. so is it possible to make a hydrogen hybird car or motorbike for daily use?? the answer is Big YESSSSSSSSS...
ganeshran Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 The Saudis will give the Pakistani engineer a few million $' date=' the pakistani Govt a few more... and thats the last we will hear of this engine[/quote'] If the technology was viable, its far more valuable than a few million $. We will hear the last of the fuel kit only if its not energy efficient.
Needforspeed Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Must be some new ploy to get some more money out of the Yanks. Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and Diamler AG has been working on Hydrogen cells for the past 7-8 years and storage and costs of production still continues to be a problem for them. This Pakistani claim is sheer nonsense.
ganeshran Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 never mind how much energy it takes, what matters is how phaasht it runs :woot:
triam Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 People who think this is even remotely possible, it is not. The discovery of something like this would need to have something bigger than the recent 'Higgs Boson' discovery with similar infrastructure and melding of minds.
punjabi_khota Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 All you wanted to know about water fuelled car. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car If it looks like shyte, sounds like shyte, it is shyte . So the process is this: Take water (H2O)-> use (battery) energy for electrolysis to release Hydrogen --> burn hydrogen to release energy and water vapor --> recharge battery ->repeat Profit ? :phehehe:
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