King Khan Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 muslims have most cousin marriages...i have read that close to 75 % marriages in muslim community are cousin marriages Can you lead us with some ligit source of this knowledge please? Cause if you are right, that info wiill tend to reveal more knowledge like viginity loss by cousins in muslims happened to be more than 75%!! couse offcorse, its not necessarily all those cousin couples will end up marrying each other.
beetle Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Can you lead us with some ligit source of this knowledge please? Cause if you are right' date=' that info wiill tend to reveal more knowledge like viginity loss by cousins in muslims happened to be more than 75%!! couse offcorse, its not necessarily all those cousin couples will end up marrying each other.[/quote'] :hmmm::blink:
Vijay.Sharma Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Its a stupid tradition in the south and people refuse to accept facts. It was ok 2-3 generations back when no one knew of the risks caused by marrying relatives, but now that the risks are clearly documented and widely available, its sheer stupidity to continue the same in the name of tradition and put unborn babies at a risk of disability.I am aware of this tradition in the south but I always thought that it would be the second cousins that get married. For ex - you marry the child of the cousin of your parents. It's an interesting thing to research about. What I had learned was that children born out of incest carry the risk of mental illnesses especially Down Syndrome or Idiot Savant. However, I am not too much in the know if the percentage of such disabled people (born to cousin incest parents) is higher in the south than in any other part of the world. I mean I am not aware of this - are there any studies out there that throw light on this? Also, are mental illnesses the chief concerns for such offspring or are there physical disabilities too to consider. If yes, how do the southies fare here vis-a-vis the non-cousin-incest cultures?
ganeshran Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I am aware of this tradition in the south but I always thought that it would be the second cousins that get married. For ex - you marry the child of the cousin of your parents. It's an interesting thing to research about. What I had learned was that children born out of incest carry the risk of mental illnesses especially Down Syndrome or Idiot Savant. However, I am not too much in the know if the percentage of such disabled people (born to cousin incest parents) is higher in the south than in any other part of the world. I mean I am not aware of this - are there any studies out there that throw light on this? Also, are mental illnesses the chief concerns for such offspring or are there physical disabilities too to consider. If yes, how do the southies fare here vis-a-vis the non-cousin-incest cultures? ya its mostly the second cousins. If the age is suitable, sister's daughter is considered. I personally havent seen physical disabilities, but have seen few genetic problems in kids from such marriages. It doesnt happen in all marriages though, I have seen one instance in about 14-15 marriages. As I understand it, the risk is higher if this practice is carried on across generations. Fortunately second generation marriages are rare nowadays especially in cities, but in rural areas, it is still quite prevalent to the point of relatives getting offended if they are not asked first. Even if the risk is marginally higher in the case of first generation marriages, it is still stupid to carry on in the name of tradition especially with the research available to us.
nikred Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 ya its mostly the second cousins. If the age is suitable, sister's daughter is considered. I personally havent seen physical disabilities, but have seen few genetic problems in kids from such marriages. It doesnt happen in all marriages though, I have seen one instance in about 14-15 marriages. As I understand it, the risk is higher if this practice is carried on across generations. Fortunately second generation marriages are rare nowadays especially in cities, but in rural areas, it is still quite prevalent to the point of relatives getting offended if they are not asked first. Even if the risk is marginally higher in the case of first generation marriages, it is still stupid to carry on in the name of tradition especially with the research available to us. Interesting, is it because they might end up carrying more recessive genes and in turn the offspring has more chances of having a recessive pair? Correct me if I am wrong.
Prakat Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 ^ the problems may manifest themselves differently. A susceptibility to certain diseases in later life, ailments caused by weaker internal organs, reduced immunity and so on. Congenital defects in children born to consanguinous couples is a well known fact. One can even deduce it via empirical reasoning from what one has learned in biology about gene pools in high school. I am however unable to provide vijay with the specific research, whether such research exists or not, pertaining to south India and more so of any concerning first or second cousin marriages. It is possible that in this case alone it leads to massive brains with an aptitude for accounting, IT and bharatnatyam.
ganeshran Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Interesting' date=' is it because they might end up carrying more recessive genes and in turn the offspring has more chances of having a recessive pair? Correct me if I am wrong.[/quote'] If my memory serves me right, that is indeed the case. If there is a recessive genetic condition in the family, the chances that the baby gets the same gene from both parents is higher in cousin marriages and hence the increased risk of genetic diseases.
ganeshran Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I wonder if the small and closely knit communities that don't marry outside get affected by genetic conditions :hmmm: Parsis, badigas etc never marry outside their communities and even without cousin marriages their gene pools could become homogeneous over many generations.
nikred Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I wonder if the small and closely knit communities that don't marry outside get affected by genetic conditions :hmmm: Parsis' date=' badigas etc never marry outside their communities and even without cousin marriages their gene pools could become homogeneous over many generations.[/quote'] In case of Parsis, it is said only their paternal lineage is sort of intact. Initially they did marry women outside their community. But still yeah, I get your point.
Precambrian Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I fell in love with my grandmother's brother's grandaughter... Now after reading this thread I am worried :(
nikred Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I fell in love with my grandmother's brother's grandaughter... Now after reading this thread I am worried :( That's like third cousins. I am not sure but that could be distant enough. If you are serious about your relationship, you can always get genetic counselling done.
Precambrian Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 That's like third cousins. I am not sure but that could be distant enough. If you are serious about your relationship' date=' you can always get genetic counselling done.[/quote'] We are engaged already.. and we had aashirwads of doctor uncles (educated in US, aus) in this regard... :)
The Dark Horse Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Nowadays, even boards are displayed in hospitals not to marry close relatives.
punjabi_khota Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Trust Darwin to take care of these fools. Here's our neighbours showing us how it is REALLY done => http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392217/Muslim-outrage-professor-Steve-Jones-warns-inbreeding-risks.html
Prakat Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 This article is full of lawlz. 'Islam allows you to marry anyone you want, so in many ways Islam promotes diversity.’ Is like saying 'Islam allows girls to live, so in many ways Islam promotes gender equality.' And common surnames do not suggest inbreeding in south-Asia. aamir Khan, salman Khan SRK and KRK are not related nor are Utpal Dutt and Sunil Dutt.
Crookbond Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Nowadays' date=' even boards are displayed in hospitals not to marry close relatives.[/quote'] If there is any common sense - these boards should be displayed outside places where people get married and to be included in high school education. Looks like a SMJ topic! :woot:
JaFanatic Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 lack of awareness is the main concern in this issue
EnterTheVoid Posted August 28, 2012 Author Posted August 28, 2012 Inbreeding amongst British P@kis in Bradford at 75 percent? :WTF: They were more upset at being called inbreds than passing on genetic deformities to their offspring
DomainK Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Trust Darwin to take care of these fools. Here's our neighbours showing us how it is REALLY done => http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392217/Muslim-outrage-professor-Steve-Jones-warns-inbreeding-risks.html One has to admit that most communities, at some point of time, must have allowed marriages between close cousins, especially given that in old times inter-community marriages were not allowed. Every single new community must have had to marry within the community itself in order to grow and survive. There still exist many communities that prefer to marry within the community just to ensure growth of the community. And no, evolution does not necessarily wipe them out because most of these communities have grown pretty well. What did people do when some of them migrated and started living next to a new water body? They had to marry within the community and within years, everybody would be related to each other in some way. And still the married within the community and grew in numbers.
exams Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Can you lead us with some ligit source of this knowledge please? Cause if you are right' date=' that info wiill tend to reveal more knowledge like viginity loss by cousins in muslims happened to be more than 75%!! couse offcorse, its not necessarily all those cousin couples will end up marrying each other.[/quote'] http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam please go to science and statistics section. this site is run by muslims. by the way we live in india and we dont need proofs to proove our social life.we all know muslims have very very large cousin marriages.please dont act naive:sniffle:
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